HT02 Posted September 6, 2017 Posted September 6, 2017 Caught in the middle of 'attempting to win' vs 'rebuilding'. Also, obligatory side note: I still hate Rodak. http://www.espn.com/blog/buffalo-bills/post/_/id/28929/if-the-bills-are-not-tanking-what-exactly-are-they-doing They do seem to be very inconsistent.
CuddyDark Posted September 6, 2017 Posted September 6, 2017 Seems like they're evaluating their linemen. If they have the guys who can win a SB or just a bunch of athletes who can't be consistent enough to win. Changed all of the DB's and receivers and left the lines the same. I bet next year they'll draft more lineman then expected. DT's and LG, maybe even a LT and make Glenn the RT next year. And should make Dawkins the RG next year.
Magox Posted September 6, 2017 Posted September 6, 2017 (edited) How does keeping these guys help rebuild the team when you are going to replace all of them in the next couple of years? Opie and the Beane have devastated the young talent on this team. I don't care how many draft choices they have next season. What young talent was devastated? Watkins for Gaines? They are the same age Plus we got a 2nd rounder Darby for Matthews? Same age Plus we got a 3rd rounder Seymour for Klay? Same age, Seymour was a JAG and we traded him for another JAG Jwill?? If you want to call him a talent, fine. But he wasn't considered to be much of a talent from both the Bills perspective and virtually every other team in the NFL. Ragland for a 4th rounder? Ragland may or may not end up being a good player but he certainly wasn't as good of a fit for 4-3 than a 3-4 and he is coming off of major knee surgery which you would think makes him an even worse fit for a 4-3 LB. He was traded to KC and now been taken off the active roster so clearly he isn't viewed as ready at this point. So what is this talent that has been "devastated" that you speak of? Because the facts say that the moves that have been made, will bring in more young people than what was already here. Edited September 6, 2017 by Magox
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted September 6, 2017 Posted September 6, 2017 Typical #'s as some "older guys have fewer yrs in the league Ages - 30 to 34 10 w/ 8 to 12 yrs exp Ages - 27 to 29 17 w/ 6 to 9 yrs exp Ages - 22 to 26 26 w/ 0 to 5 yrs exp The majority of this team in new blood or guys getting into or in their prime. ....looks like a pretty favorable mix to me......
oldmanfan Posted September 6, 2017 Posted September 6, 2017 What young talent was devastated? Watkins for Gaines? They are the same age Plus we got a 2nd rounder Darby for Matthews? Same age Plus we got a 3rd rounder Seymour for Klay? Same age, Seymour was a JAG and we traded him for another JAG Jwill?? If you want to call him a talent, fine. But he wasn't considered to be much of a talent from both the Bills perspective and virtually every other team in the NFL. Ragland for a 4th rounder? Ragland may or may not end up being a good player but he certainly wasn't as good of a fit for 4-3 than a 3-4 and he is coming off of major knee surgery which you would think makes him an even worse fit for a 4-3 LB. He was traded to KC and now been taken off the active roster so clearly he isn't viewed as ready at this point. So what is this talent that has been "devastated" that you speak of? Because the facts say that the moves that have been made, will bring in more young people than what was already here. Been saying this for quite a while now but facts don't get in the way of some opinions, I guess. Assuming Sammy regains his health, I think we'll regret that one. Otherwise the moves Beane and McD have made are not gutting the team of young talent.
Heavy Kevi Posted September 6, 2017 Posted September 6, 2017 People continue to overrate draft position with regard to landing a franchise quarterback. If we've learned anything over the decades, it's that no one can predict how a quarterback performs in the NFL. It's a complete and utter crap shoot. So be as good as you can be this season and use both first-round picks on quarterbacks even if they're only the third and fourth best in the class. Because no one really knows. Then let those two and Peterman battle it out throughout the entire 2018 offseason and preseason and pick one. If he's successful, trade the other one. We could learn that lesson from Washington. They had "flash in the pan" rg3, and once he fizzled, the only thing keeping them competitive, to this day is the second qb they drafted that year.
BarleyNY Posted September 6, 2017 Posted September 6, 2017 Rodak doesn't have a clue. What I have seen so far is the Bills re-tooling the roster to fit the style of play of a new coach. It has nothing to do with "tanking". It's building the roster for this year and beyond to fit a certain style of play. How that works out remains to be seen, but this team is not "tanking" anything. Doesn't fit the profile of our HC. It is in fact a ridiculous notion..That's precisely what Rodak said. Not a tank. Retooling for the scheme and mentality of the new regime. Trying to win now but also looking toward the future. It makes sense from where the Bills were when McD took over. It's how I also see it and I'm good with the approach.
Riverboat Richie Posted September 6, 2017 Posted September 6, 2017 I know some will miss the point here but here it goes: "I am not afraid of an army of lions led by a sheep; I am afraid of an army of sheep led by a lion."
Dr. Who Posted September 6, 2017 Posted September 6, 2017 Trading Sammy and keeping Ducasse are the moves that irritate me the most. I have no idea if this regime will succeed, but I'm pretty sure it will all come down to whether they end up with a franchise qb or not. The rest of the team matters, of course, but qb is the engine for long term playoff success.
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted September 6, 2017 Posted September 6, 2017 ....looks like a pretty favorable mix to me...... oldest team - always a chuckle .... Half the team are still KIDS that can be claimed on mom and dads health insurance
Perk71 Posted September 6, 2017 Posted September 6, 2017 30 years and running! Can't stop now...lol And to think that I was born and raised here in CA and this is the team I decided to follow...hahaha
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted September 6, 2017 Posted September 6, 2017 (edited) Trading Sammy and keeping Ducasse are the moves that irritate me the most. I have no idea if this regime will succeed, but I'm pretty sure it will all come down to whether they end up with a franchise qb or not. The rest of the team matters, of course, but qb is the engine for long term playoff success. I like Sammy, but when you look back.... He isn't an OBJ I just puked in my mouth typing that Edited September 6, 2017 by ShadyBillsFan
FitzShowUsYourTitz Posted September 6, 2017 Posted September 6, 2017 (edited) The opportunity to tank left the building when Rex was fired. You aren't going to intentionally tank a season in the first year of the head coach who you want to be here for a long time. That would leave everyone with a bad taste in their mouths - players and fans alike. I can't believe this is so hard for so many to grasp. It's obvious that this team is rebuilding (only six drafted players remain from the previous front office) while simultaneously leaving the foundation of veteran leadership (Kyle, Lorenzo, Wood, Shady, Tolbert, Dimarco, Incognito, Ducasse, etc.) who all fit the criteria of what Beane and McDermott want to establish within the organization. Since when does a team have to tank in order to rebuild? Can you honestly establish a winning culture by purposely trying to lose in Year #1? + 1 Many are so shortsighted to see the obvious. It'll take a couple years to get a 3-5 year window for success. Edited September 6, 2017 by Fred Marchibroda
T-Bomb Posted September 6, 2017 Posted September 6, 2017 They are doing precisely what they have said they're doing. They are looking at both short term and long term success. That's a good way to stay a middling team.
BuffaloRebound Posted September 6, 2017 Posted September 6, 2017 It's actually a fair article by Rodak. Unfortunately there's no place for nuance these days. You can't tank a season and build a winning culture. Bills have put themselves in good position going forward with draft picks and retained vets who they think foster a winning culture.
Wayne Arnold Posted September 6, 2017 Posted September 6, 2017 Whaley traded Watkins? The cap situation (due to garbage contracts like Dareus received, for example) prevented this team from giving Sammy the whopping contract extension that he would have demanded after this season. Therefore, 2017 was undoubtedly going to be his last season in Buffalo. What would be the point of turning down a 2nd round pick to keep him on the team solely for this season? Was this team in position to win the Super Bowl even if Sammy was 100% healthy the entire season (which has never happened in his career, btw)? As for the popular notion "the season is over now that Sammy is gone" - what was Buffalo's record in 2016 with Sammy vs. without him?
Dr. Who Posted September 6, 2017 Posted September 6, 2017 I like Sammy, but when you look back.... He isn't an OBJ I just puked in my mouth typing that I remember before the draft, Bill Polian was hyping OBJ. Still think Sammy can have a great career if he stays healthy and has a decent qb.
PolishDave Posted September 6, 2017 Posted September 6, 2017 Caught in the middle of 'attempting to win' vs 'rebuilding'. McDermott and Beane are trying to build a team that can beat the Jets........ And only the Jets.
Wayne Arnold Posted September 6, 2017 Posted September 6, 2017 I know some will miss the point here but here it goes: "I am not afraid of an army of lions led by a sheep; I am afraid of an army of sheep led by a lion."
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