ALF Posted February 10, 2018 Share Posted February 10, 2018 15 hours ago, LABillzFan said: Hey, look! Liberals are now concerned about reducing the deficit. You guys kill me. I thought Republicans were fiscally conservative , I won't make that mistake again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nanker Posted February 10, 2018 Share Posted February 10, 2018 We’ll Alf, did you want a deal, or would you rather have had another government shutdown? The Republicans didn’t have enough votes to do the best thing, so they reached across the aisle and had to bargain with the Dems. You think the Dems are now the party of fiscal restraint? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALF Posted February 10, 2018 Share Posted February 10, 2018 35 minutes ago, Nanker said: We’ll Alf, did you want a deal, or would you rather have had another government shutdown? The Republicans didn’t have enough votes to do the best thing, so they reached across the aisle and had to bargain with the Dems. You think the Dems are now the party of fiscal restraint? A lot depends if the tax cuts help or hurt the deficit in the long run. Like George H. Bush said , voodoo economics. Too many jobs today are min wage service sector, not high enough to pay income tax on. Never want a gov shutdown, make the deal and both sides take responsibility Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TPS Posted February 10, 2018 Share Posted February 10, 2018 38 minutes ago, Nanker said: We’ll Alf, did you want a deal, or would you rather have had another government shutdown? The Republicans didn’t have enough votes to do the best thing, so they reached across the aisle and had to bargain with the Dems. You think the Dems are now the party of fiscal restraint? Of course not, they are the party of tax and spend. The issue is most republicans claimed to be fiscally responsible and harangued the Dems over the debt. Its clear, deficits are only an issue to them when it’s politically expedient. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALF Posted February 10, 2018 Share Posted February 10, 2018 2 minutes ago, TPS said: Of course not, they are the party of tax and spend. The issue is most republicans claimed to be fiscally responsible and harangued the Dems over the debt. Its clear, deficits are only an issue to them when it’s politically expedient. The last admin inherited a crashed economy and 2 very expensive wars . What else could they do but massive borrowing in that situation resulting in the economy Trump inherited. Was massive borrowing needed in Clinton's 2 terms. btw I did not vote for him instead for Ross Perot. Would not have mind George H. winning re-election. Had other countries pay for most of the Gulf War. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdnlng Posted February 10, 2018 Share Posted February 10, 2018 I think what we need is another Cash For Clunkers, throw money at these new solar panel thingies and buy an automaker or two for the unions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted February 10, 2018 Share Posted February 10, 2018 We have 1-877 cars for kids Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TPS Posted February 10, 2018 Share Posted February 10, 2018 2 hours ago, ALF said: The last admin inherited a crashed economy and 2 very expensive wars . What else could they do but massive borrowing in that situation resulting in the economy Trump inherited. Was massive borrowing needed in Clinton's 2 terms. btw I did not vote for him instead for Ross Perot. Would not have mind George H. winning re-election. Had other countries pay for most of the Gulf War. I'm not complaining about the deficit, just pointing out the republican hypocrisy. In fact, in my view, trump's expansionary policy is somewhat similar to what Bernie would've done, only Bernie would've targeted the working class not Trump's class. Progressives have argued that the bargaining power of workers has been beaten down for 30+ years. The only way to support wage growth is to boost the economy when it's close to full employment (or raise the minimum wage). The problem is, as I posted before, higher wages will stoke inflationary pressures causing the Fed to raise rates higher and faster than expected, bringing about the next recession, most likely in 2019 (this made meazza whinge about me wanting to hurt people for political reasons as trump would not be reelected under this scenario--answering your question here buddy). ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted February 10, 2018 Share Posted February 10, 2018 TPS, maybe you give too much credit assuming a politician really has a plan, and intent to implement it, and can actually do so in the first place Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azalin Posted February 10, 2018 Share Posted February 10, 2018 1 hour ago, ALF said: If Bernie were elected (not likely) a Republican congress would not cooperate with him. Nov 2018 who knows. Are you suggesting that Bernie will run in November? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted February 10, 2018 Share Posted February 10, 2018 4 hours ago, row_33 said: We have 1-877 cars for kids God, I hate that !@#$ing jingle... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keepthefaith Posted February 10, 2018 Share Posted February 10, 2018 (edited) On 2/10/2018 at 8:53 AM, row_33 said: We have 1-877 cars for kids It's kars with a "K". On 2/10/2018 at 10:47 AM, TPS said: I'm not complaining about the deficit, just pointing out the republican hypocrisy. You should complain about it. We all should. Debt service is an increasing portion of the annual budget and that will only accelerate as rates rise. 23 hours ago, Azalin said: Are you suggesting that Bernie will run in November? Bernie hasn't even jogged in the last 20 years. Edited February 11, 2018 by keepthefaith 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted February 10, 2018 Share Posted February 10, 2018 Politicians are hypocrites!!!! TPS fell off the turnip truck and found today even the GOP are hypocrites. this is like Einstein finding relativity all over again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALF Posted February 11, 2018 Share Posted February 11, 2018 (edited) 15 hours ago, Azalin said: Are you suggesting that Bernie will run in November? He will run for re-election to the Senate in 2018. Hypothetical if he were Pres his agenda would not get by a Republican Congress hence Nov election would be more important. I can be confusing at times. I was responding to this quote by TPS In fact, in my view, trump's expansionary policy is somewhat similar to what Bernie would've done, only Bernie would've targeted the working class not Trump's class. Progressives have argued that the bargaining power of workers has been beaten down for 30+ years. The only way to support wage growth is to boost the economy when it's close to full employment (or raise the minimum wage). The problem is, as I posted before, higher wages will stoke inflationary pressures causing the Fed to raise rates higher and faster than expected, bringing about the next recession, most likely in 2019 Edited February 11, 2018 by ALF Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nanker Posted February 11, 2018 Share Posted February 11, 2018 And pray tell, Alf how would the working class be targeted by Bernie? Pay people not to work? How much? Would $50k a year enough? Augment their salaries if they do work so everyone gets $100k a year? Eliminate Federal taxes for those earning less than - you name the amount $100k a year, $200k for married couples filing jointly? Or do you think it should be higher? What rate of taxation on the super wealthy will pay for that? 75% like it is in France? You want to raise corporate taxes to what 50% or higher... 60%, 70%, 80%? What if the government seizes everyones 401k and IRA money? They could simply issue Government bonds with a guaranteed return of 2 or 3%. Would that make you happy? Maybe Amazon, Alphabet, Apple, Walmart and others should be nationalized. Would that be the answer? Or should the government just confiscate their profits above what's a "fair" amount for them to keep? What would that be - 5%, 6%, 8%? That's WAY more than government bonds pay. Tell us - how do you see America becoming the Worker's Paradise that the "progressives" are so desperately seeking? And while you're at it, can you update us on the criminal investigation that his wife is undergoing now for the fraud she perpetrated at the college in NH that she was the president of? I haven't been keeping track of that for awhile. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
/dev/null Posted February 11, 2018 Share Posted February 11, 2018 Republicans got their tax cut so it's only fair we cancel out all student loan debt http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2018/02/lets-cancel-everyones-student-debt-for-the-economys-sake.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koko78 Posted February 11, 2018 Share Posted February 11, 2018 1 hour ago, /dev/null said: Republicans got their tax cut so it's only fair we cancel out all student loan debt http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2018/02/lets-cancel-everyones-student-debt-for-the-economys-sake.html In addition to forgiving my student loans, the government should forgive my car loan and my mortgage, take care of my car insurance, give me free gas and have my free groceries delivered to me, at no cost. They should also provide me with a free prostitute, so I do not have to worry about paying for one. You see, if i do not have to worry about those obligations, I could spend more money, thus creating more economic growth! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nanker Posted February 11, 2018 Share Posted February 11, 2018 15 minutes ago, Koko78 said: In addition to forgiving my student loans, the government should forgive my car loan and my mortgage, take care of my car insurance, give me free gas and have my free groceries delivered to me, at no cost. They should also provide me with a free prostitute, so I do not have to worry about paying for one. You see, if i do not have to worry about those obligations, I could spend more money, thus creating more economic growth! I think I'm beginning to see the wisdom of the promised worker's paradise! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted February 12, 2018 Share Posted February 12, 2018 4 hours ago, Koko78 said: In addition to forgiving my student loans, the government should forgive my car loan and my mortgage, take care of my car insurance, give me free gas and have my free groceries delivered to me, at no cost. They should also provide me with a free prostitute, so I do not have to worry about paying for one. You see, if i do not have to worry about those obligations, I could spend more money, thus creating more economic growth! Just think of all that jobs that'll create! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALF Posted February 12, 2018 Share Posted February 12, 2018 9 hours ago, Nanker said: And pray tell, Alf how would the working class be targeted by Bernie? Pay people not to work? How much? Would $50k a year enough? Augment their salaries if they do work so everyone gets $100k a year? Eliminate Federal taxes for those earning less than - you name the amount $100k a year, $200k for married couples filing jointly? Or do you think it should be higher? What rate of taxation on the super wealthy will pay for that? 75% like it is in France? You want to raise corporate taxes to what 50% or higher... 60%, 70%, 80%? Good grief I can not even imagine how you think that is my belief. I'm a Independent not a far left or far right, I'm bipartisan . I would never vote for Bernie , Trump or Clinton. I was a Kasich or Bush supporter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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