26CornerBlitz Posted December 28, 2017 Share Posted December 28, 2017 17. Buffalo Bills Maurice Hurst, DT, Michigan. Buffalo needs to upgrade its defensive line, and Hurst, a redshirt senior with penetrating skills at defensive tackle, is precisely the building block Sean McDermott and Brandon Beane will love on the interior. 25. Buffalo Bills from Chiefs James Washington, WR, Oklahoma State. The Bills are likely to move up to pick a quarterback, but without trades in this mock, they go with a dangerous deep threat to give the offense a true home-run hitter at the receiver spot. He and Kelvin Benjaminwould complement each other well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Jackson Posted December 28, 2017 Share Posted December 28, 2017 I don’t know if this is the place to put it or not but this is why you draft to the strength of a draft class: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloHokie13 Posted December 28, 2017 Share Posted December 28, 2017 1 hour ago, Kirby Jackson said: I don’t know if this is the place to put it or not but this is why you draft to the strength of a draft class: Probably shouldn't draft a RB to play S... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Jackson Posted December 28, 2017 Share Posted December 28, 2017 10 minutes ago, BuffaloHokie13 said: Probably shouldn't draft a RB to play S... I hated Peppers coming out. He had no production!! Safety was so good though last year and it is coming true. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted December 28, 2017 Share Posted December 28, 2017 18. Buffalo Bills | Christian Wilkins | DL | Clemson Marcell Dareus was traded to Jacksonville, and Kyle Williams isn’t getting any younger, making defensive tackle a huge need for the Bills this offseason. A ridiculous athlete for his size, Wilkins is an explosive defender who makes life miserable for blockers, ball-carriers and quarterbacks alike. 25. Buffalo Bills (from KC) | Mason Rudolph | QB | Oklahoma State Tyrod Taylor doesn’t look like the long-term answer for the Bills at quarterback, and the early returns aren’t promising on Nate Peterman. A bit of a reach this early, Rudolph is big, athletic and talented, but needs more polish and consistency. 50. Buffalo Bills | Anthony Miller | WR | Memphis 60. Buffalo Bills (from LAR) | Duke Dawson | CB | Florida 96. Buffalo Bills (from PHI) | Josey Jewell | LB | Iowa 114. Buffalo Bills | Bryce Love | RB | Stanford Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloHokie13 Posted December 28, 2017 Share Posted December 28, 2017 Assuming we get another stop-gap because the price to move up is too high 18: R1P18 EDGE SAM HUBBARD - OHIO STATE 25: R1P25 LB MICAH KISER - VIRGINIA 50: R2P18 WR CALVIN RIDLEY - ALABAMA 60: R2P28 RB RASHAAD PENNY - SAN DIEGO STATE 96: R3P32 G WILL HERNANDEZ - UTEP 120: R4P18 DL HARRISON PHILLIPS - STANFORD 157: R5P18 LB KENDALL JOSEPH - CLEMSON 166: R5P27 S DOMINICK SANDERS - GEORGIA 205: R6P27 QB RILEY FERGUSON - MEMPHIS Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Buffalo Barbarian Posted December 29, 2017 Share Posted December 29, 2017 On 12/27/2017 at 8:07 AM, NewEraBills said: It's only the 1st round. I have no problem with the Bills passing if Rosen and Darnold are going 1 and 2. The only other guy I would want is Jackson. I'm starting to wane on Rudolph as a 1st rd pick. He may go 2nd. QB's will get inflated but I don't want the Bills REACHING on picks. I'd be happy taking Rudolph or Falk in rd 2 or 3 and bolster up other areas in rd 1 if Darnold and Rosen are out of the picture. Falk is a 5th rounder. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEraBills Posted December 29, 2017 Share Posted December 29, 2017 8 hours ago, Buffalo Barbarian said: Falk is a 5th rounder. Based on what? If anything hearing scouts talk about Falk they don't know where to place him. He could go bottom 1 or in the 5th as you suggest. But, that suggests to me that there are some things that scouts really like when they watch but there are also some questions that are just left on the table. So which is it? Is he a 5th or can he be a 1, 2, 3, 4. Does not seem as definitive as you suggest. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloHokie13 Posted December 29, 2017 Share Posted December 29, 2017 Well after last night I think it'll look something like this (at this very early point): 18: R1P18: EDGE SAM HUBBARD - OHIO STATE 25: R1P25: QB MASON RUDOLPH - OKLAHOMA STATE 50: R2P18: RB RASHAAD PENNY - SAN DIEGO STATE 60: R2P28: LB OREN BURKS - VANDERBILT 96: R3P32: DL HARRISON PHILLIPS - STANFORD 120: R4P18: WR ANTHONY MILLER - MEMPHIS 157: R5P18: EDGE CHAD THOMAS - MIAMI 166: R5P27: LB KENDALL JOSEPH - CLEMSON 205: R6P27: WR BRAXTON BERRIOS - MIAMI And at this point you're probably seeing a theme in some of the guys that I like this year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Now Moment Posted December 29, 2017 Share Posted December 29, 2017 22 minutes ago, BuffaloHokie13 said: Well after last night I think it'll look something like this (at this very early point): 18: R1P18: EDGE SAM HUBBARD - OHIO STATE 25: R1P25: QB MASON RUDOLPH - OKLAHOMA STATE 50: R2P18: RB RASHAAD PENNY - SAN DIEGO STATE 60: R2P28: LB OREN BURKS - VANDERBILT 96: R3P32: DL HARRISON PHILLIPS - STANFORD 120: R4P18: WR ANTHONY MILLER - MEMPHIS 157: R5P18: EDGE CHAD THOMAS - MIAMI 166: R5P27: LB KENDALL JOSEPH - CLEMSON 205: R6P27: WR BRAXTON BERRIOS - MIAMI And at this point you're probably seeing a theme in some of the guys that I like this year. What is your thought process on drafting Hubbard with the first pick? Not bashing you at all, just wondering your thoughts. Personally, I think an interior pass rusher is needed first. That may help out guys like Hughes and Lawson. I love the addition of Phillips. He reminds me of a Kyle Williams type grinder who doesn't have the athleticism but is just a football player. Like the addition of adding athletic linebackers in Burks and Joseph (Not sure if Joseph will fall that far but who knows). Penny is a solid prospect and I love Miller but I think he will be drafted earlier than that as well. I like how you doubled up on some of the positions but I think one of those positions should be DT. We need a pass rush. That's clear but what do you see in Hubbard that makes you willing to draft him with Buffalo's first pick? I have my own opinions of him, just wondering yours Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buffalobloodfloridahome Posted December 29, 2017 Share Posted December 29, 2017 I do like drafting a QB and his best WR in the same draft it helps the transition for sure. How Washington fits into the roster is another question but it couldn't hurt. I like what I saw out of Rudolph yesterday even though he started slow once he got it going he was making all the throws and reading the defense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloHokie13 Posted December 29, 2017 Share Posted December 29, 2017 (edited) 18 minutes ago, Buffalo30 said: What is your thought process on drafting Hubbard with the first pick? Not bashing you at all, just wondering your thoughts. Personally, I think an interior pass rusher is needed first. That may help out guys like Hughes and Lawson. I love the addition of Phillips. He reminds me of a Kyle Williams type grinder who doesn't have the athleticism but is just a football player. Like the addition of adding athletic linebackers in Burks and Joseph (Not sure if Joseph will fall that far but who knows). Penny is a solid prospect and I love Miller but I think he will be drafted earlier than that as well. I like how you doubled up on some of the positions but I think one of those positions should be DT. We need a pass rush. That's clear but what do you see in Hubbard that makes you willing to draft him with Buffalo's first pick? I have my own opinions of him, just wondering yours I agree we need pass rush, and I prioritized End because I am not convinced Hughes will be back and Lawson simply doesn't provide pass rush. I think there is some value on day 2 for interior linemen that can do what we need them to, but I've always been of the mind that EDGE is a premium position moreso than DT. Hubbard is a guy who fits McD's physical profile for a DE, but also posesses the versatility to move around the line for some sub packages. Ultimately, Hubbard just seems very much like a McD guy. At the end of the day rankings will adjust between now and April, but I see day 2 as the sweet spot for DTs. I'm not sold enough to go for one in round 1, and I don't like many of the late round prospects either. I also think there are more viable FA options at DT than at DE, which will impact our needs come draft time. Edited December 29, 2017 by BuffaloHokie13 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Now Moment Posted December 29, 2017 Share Posted December 29, 2017 (edited) 20 minutes ago, BuffaloHokie13 said: I agree we need pass rush, and I prioritized End because I am not convinced Hughes will be back and Lawson simply doesn't provide pass rush. I think there is some value on day 2 for interior linemen that can do what we need them to, but I've always been of the mind that EDGE is a premium position moreso than DT. Hubbard is a guy who fits McD's physical profile for a DE, but also posesses the versatility to move around the line for some sub packages. Ultimately, Hubbard just seems very much like a McD guy. At the end of the day rankings will adjust between now and April, but I see day 2 as the sweet spot for DTs. I'm not sold enough to go for one in round 1, and I don't like many of the late round prospects either. I also think there are more viable FA options at DT than at DE, which will impact our needs come draft time. I agree with your assessment that DE is more of a premium position. I like Lawson in rotation as a run stuffer. Wondering if Hughes will be here and if he bounces back. The need for DT is clear and I agree we could find one in the 2nd or 3rd round that could be productive. Obviously the rankings will change. He certainly is an option for me as well. I like his fit with the team. However, if a versatile DT like Wilkins is there, I'd have a hard time passing on him. I just have some questions about Hubbard's productivity as a pass rusher in college. He has had less sacks than Lawson had. He was asked to do different things at Ohio State though. He looks like a player who'd have more sacks and pressures in the NFL than in college as he learns more moves and techniques. He has quality pursuit at this point. Edited December 29, 2017 by Buffalo30 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloHokie13 Posted December 29, 2017 Share Posted December 29, 2017 3 minutes ago, Buffalo30 said: I agree with your assessment that DE is more of a premium position. I like Lawson in rotation as a run stuffer. Wondering if Hughes will be here and if he bounces back. The need for DT is clear and I agree we could find one in the 2nd or 3rd round that could be productive. Obviously the rankings will change. He certainly is an option for me as well. I like his fit with the team. However, if a versatile DT like Wilkins is there, I'd have a hard time passing on him. I just have some questions about Hubbard's productivity as a pass rusher in college. He has had less sacks than Lawson had. He was asked to do different things at Ohio State though. I expect Wilkins to go in the top 10. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Now Moment Posted December 29, 2017 Share Posted December 29, 2017 (edited) 19 minutes ago, BuffaloHokie13 said: I expect Wilkins to go in the top 10. So do I at this point but who knows, with QBs, offensive lineman and secondary players possibly dominating the first 15 picks, along with Barkley and Chubb and Smith...some quality players will fall. I guess I just have trouble with Hubbard. He isn't a dominant pass rusher. He has a solid skillset but hasn't seemed to put it all together yet. 4.5 sacks this year isn't enough to get me to jump out of my chair for him in the first round. His career high is 6.5 sacks. I just have a difficult time grabbing him and saying we are getting him to be a pass rusher for this team when he hasn't put it all together in college. He's not even the best pass rusher on his team in college. His potential is there though Edited December 29, 2017 by Buffalo30 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloHokie13 Posted December 29, 2017 Share Posted December 29, 2017 3 minutes ago, Buffalo30 said: So do I at this point but who knows, with QBs, offensive lineman and secondary players possibly dominating the first 15 picks, along with Barkley and Chubb and Smith...some quality players will fall. I guess I just have trouble with Hubbard. He isn't a dominant pass rusher. He has a solid skillset but hasn't seemed to put it all together yet. 4.5 sacks this year isn't enough to get me to jump out of my chair for him in the first round. His career high is 6.5 sacks. I just have a difficult time grabbing him and saying we are getting him to be a pass rusher for this team when he hasn't put it all together in college. His potential is there though Unfortunately the guys that do have the production are smaller than McD's historical standard DE. Maybe he'll cave and go with production, but I suspect he'll stick to his roots and go with size and versatility. There are certainly a lot of EDGE guys to look at this year though. Landry, Key, Hubbard, Ferrell, Bryant, Sweat, Thomas, Ejiofor, etc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Now Moment Posted December 29, 2017 Share Posted December 29, 2017 3 minutes ago, BuffaloHokie13 said: Unfortunately the guys that do have the production are smaller than McD's historical standard DE. Maybe he'll cave and go with production, but I suspect he'll stick to his roots and go with size and versatility. There are certainly a lot of EDGE guys to look at this year though. Landry, Key, Hubbard, Ferrell, Bryant, Sweat, Thomas, Ejiofor, etc. I just see DE as something to grab in the second round rather than reach for a guy in the first that hasn't had the combination of production of size that you're looking for. A lot of the guys you mention there will be taken later. Just seems to be a smarter way to go in my opinion. DE is not a strength of this class at the top, no need to reach just because of a need in my opinion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thunderingsquid Posted December 29, 2017 Share Posted December 29, 2017 40 minutes ago, Buffalo30 said: I just see DE as something to grab in the second round rather than reach for a guy in the first that hasn't had the combination of production of size that you're looking for. A lot of the guys you mention there will be taken later. Just seems to be a smarter way to go in my opinion. DE is not a strength of this class at the top, no need to reach just because of a need in my opinion. Agreed. This draft is crazy deep at edge. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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