2018 Mock drafts and top prospects

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40 minutes ago, Buffalo30 said:

Even if he is better...where is Watson right now?  Everyone chirped about not grabbing him but it is a fact that running QBs tend to get hurt all the time and sure enough...a season ending injury in year one.

Well, you'd clearly have to evaluate his potential as a passer. Under the right tutelage, perhaps he could be developed into one. Depends on the coaches and if they think he could progress into an NFL QB. Deshaun Watson lit the NFL up, he was obviously a better passer than once thought and may evolve into a dual threat. Could Jackson do the same? No fan knows that, only the coaches and GMs do.

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1 hour ago, NewDayBills said:

Well, you'd clearly have to evaluate his potential as a passer. Under the right tutelage, perhaps he could be developed into one. Depends on the coaches and if they think he could progress into an NFL QB. Deshaun Watson lit the NFL up, he was obviously a better passer than once thought and may evolve into a dual threat. Could Jackson do the same? No fan knows that, only the coaches and GMs do.

I am not looking for a dual threat though.  Like I said, look at the QBs that have run around in this league this year.  Almost all of them have been hurt.  A lot of them with season ending injuries.  Cam Newton is the only one that has survived the injury bugs as a running QB but he's 6'5" 240.  Lamar Jackson is 6'3" 210.  He's really thin and I believe will have major durability issues in the NFL.  

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1 hour ago, Buffalo30 said:

I am not looking for a dual threat though.  Like I said, look at the QBs that have run around in this league this year.  Almost all of them have been hurt.  A lot of them with season ending injuries.  Cam Newton is the only one that has survived the injury bugs as a running QB but he's 6'5" 240.  Lamar Jackson is 6'3" 210.  He's really thin and I believe will have major durability issues in the NFL.  

There are 10 QBs in the league that average 4+ runs per game.

Newton

Wilson

Taylor

Kizer

Watson

Wentz

Gabbert

Beathard

Brissett

Smith

 

Of that group, Taylor missed a game and Watson & Wentz are out. Anyone else I missed?

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6 minutes ago, BuffaloHokie13 said:

There are 10 QBs in the league that average 4+ runs per game.

Newton

Wilson

Taylor

Kizer

Watson

Wentz

Gabbert

Beathard

Brissett

Smith

 

Of that group, Taylor missed a game and Watson & Wentz are out. Anyone else I missed?

 

Rodgers

 

 

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4 minutes ago, Buffalo Barbarian said:

Rodgers

3.43 runs per game. Less than all those I listed.

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14 minutes ago, BuffaloHokie13 said:

There are 10 QBs in the league that average 4+ runs per game.

Newton

Wilson

Taylor

Kizer

Watson

Wentz

Gabbert

Beathard

Brissett

Smith

 

Of that group, Taylor missed a game and Watson & Wentz are out. Anyone else I missed?

RG3 was constantly injured, EJ Manuel had his rookie year halted with an injury on a running play, Watson was injured on a running play, Peterman was injured on a running play, Rodgers injured while running outside the pocket, Wentz injured while running, Andrew Luck injured on a running play, there are so many more examples.  That is the entire point.  Don't have a QB that runs that much.  QBs aren't playing to protect their bodies anymore.  Sure Wentz got the TD and I'm sure many fans would have wanted him to make that kind of diving effort but look what happened?  QB is too valuable to a team to be running around and taking awkward hits.  

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8 minutes ago, BuffaloHokie13 said:

3.43 runs per game. Less than all those I listed.

 

Seems like he runs more than that. Guess the actual amount doesn't really matter as Rodgers is known for making big runs and is considered a dual threat. I want to say I'm not against dual threat QBs, just that I thought Rodgers should be on that list. I would add Roethlisbeger as well.

 

 

 

Edited December 19, 2017 by Buffalo Barbarian

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1 minute ago, Buffalo30 said:

RG3 was constantly injured, EJ Manuel had his rookie year halted with an injury on a running play, Watson was injured on a running play, Peterman was injured on a running play, Rodgers injured while running outside the pocket, Wentz injured while running, Andrew Luck injured on a running play, there are so many more examples.  That is the entire point.  Don't have a QB that runs that much.  QBs aren't playing to protect their bodies anymore.  Sure Wentz got the TD and I'm sure many fans would have wanted him to make that kind of diving effort but look what happened?  QB is too valuable to a team to be running around and taking awkward hits.  

The larger issue, to me anyway, seems to be QBs that don't run well trying to run. The guys that are mobile have enough practice that they rarely take big shots or get hurt because of it.

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3 minutes ago, BuffaloHokie13 said:

The larger issue, to me anyway, seems to be QBs that don't run well trying to run. The guys that are mobile have enough practice that they rarely take big shots or get hurt because of it.

That's not true.  The only person that applies to is Cam Newton and he is the size of a truck.  All of the other running QBs have gotten hurt over the last few years and their smaller size doesn't help that.  That's why I question a guy like Mayfield who at times likes to run and Jackson who is 210 lbs.  Can they really handle NFL hits on their run plays?  Who knows?  

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3 minutes ago, Buffalo30 said:

That's not true.  The only person that applies to is Cam Newton and he is the size of a truck.  All of the other running QBs have gotten hurt over the last few years and their smaller size doesn't help that.  That's why I question a guy like Mayfield who at times likes to run and Jackson who is 210 lbs.  Can they really handle NFL hits on their run plays?  Who knows?  

Taylor has missed 3 games in 3 years. (2nd most attempts in that span)

Wilson hasn't missed a game as a pro as far as I know (3rd most attempts in last 3 years)

Newton you've already conceded (Most attempts in the past 3 years)

 

Next after that seem to be Alex Smith and Aaron Rodgers, but both are over 65 attempts behind the first 3.

 

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5 minutes ago, BuffaloHokie13 said:

Taylor has missed 3 games in 3 years. (2nd most attempts in that span)

Wilson hasn't missed a game as a pro as far as I know (3rd most attempts in last 3 years)

Newton you've already conceded (Most attempts in the past 3 years)

 

Next after that seem to be Alex Smith and Aaron Rodgers, but both are over 65 attempts behind the first 3.

 

RG3, Mariota has already been hurt, Luck ran way more than people think and got hurt, looking back further...Michael Vick was constantly hurt in his Philly days.  Plus all of the injuries that have happened to players that run a little less but still run a lot like have been mentioned already.  Personally, I think we should avoid the running QB.  The storyline this year has been QBs getting hurt.  Why should we want to get a run first QB especially when the rules don't protect those players?

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8 minutes ago, Buffalo30 said:

RG3, Mariota has already been hurt, Luck ran way more than people think and got hurt, looking back further...Michael Vick was constantly hurt in his Philly days.  Plus all of the injuries that have happened to players that run a little less but still run a lot like have been mentioned already.  Personally, I think we should avoid the running QB.  The storyline this year has been QBs getting hurt.  Why should we want to get a run first QB especially when the rules don't protect those players?

So you're going to ignore that the QBs that have run more than anyone else in recent history haven't really been injured much? You're clinging to players from 5+ years ago to prove your false narrative? Show me comparisons of QBs who missed games and how often they run. I highly doubt it will show what you are attempting to portray.

 

If you want to steer clear of athletic QBs because they are inferior passers, that's fine. Don't hide behind this guise of injury rate though.

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I'm not much on dual threat QBs, just as long and we have an eye for a guy that can sit and learn for a few weeks.   I'm just worried he won't mesh with our OC.  Non West Coast qbs need not apply?

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4 minutes ago, BuffaloHokie13 said:

So you're going to ignore that the QBs that have run more than anyone else in recent history haven't really been injured much? You're clinging to players from 5+ years ago to prove your false narrative? Show me comparisons of QBs who missed games and how often they run. I highly doubt it will show what you are attempting to portray.

 

If you want to steer clear of athletic QBs because they are inferior passers, that's fine. Don't hide behind this guise of injury rate though.

...I'd like both a better passing QB and a guy who is going to put himself in less danger.  Sure the top three guys have steered clear of injury but a lot of QBs have been hurt running this year, not just 5 plus years ago.  Running QBs put themself in danger as has been shown this year.  I'd rather have a pocket passer that doesn't put himself in harms way.  Who knows if Jackson will be the next Russel Wilson and avoid injury or the next RG3 and constantly be hurt.  Either way, I don't want to be taking those kinds of chances of putting what is supposed to be our franchise QB in harms way.  I think Colts fans wished that Luck would've stopped running and stuck to the pocket passing.

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36 minutes ago, Buffalo30 said:

...I'd like both a better passing QB and a guy who is going to put himself in less danger.  Sure the top three guys have steered clear of injury but a lot of QBs have been hurt running this year, not just 5 plus years ago.  Running QBs put themself in danger as has been shown this year.  I'd rather have a pocket passer that doesn't put himself in harms way.  Who knows if Jackson will be the next Russel Wilson and avoid injury or the next RG3 and constantly be hurt.  Either way, I don't want to be taking those kinds of chances of putting what is supposed to be our franchise QB in harms way.  I think Colts fans wished that Luck would've stopped running and stuck to the pocket passing.

Pocket Passers are just as likely to get hurt. Look at the List this year:

 

Carson Palmer (1.65 runs per game)

Aaron Rodgers (3.52)

Andrew Luck (4.09)

Deshaun Watson (5.14)

Ryan Tannehill (2.81)

Sam Bradford (1.80)

Jameis Winston (3.07)

Derek Carr (1.98)

Marcus Mariota (3.53)

Jay Cutler (2.54)

Carson Wentz (3.79)

Tyrod Taylor (6.52)

Josh McCown (2.54)

 

3 of the 13 run more than 4 times a game on average. 6 of the 13 (still less than half) run 3.5 times or more.

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It's not easy to keep a guy from running but if you can protect him it may prevent him from pulling the trigger. 

 

Let's teach Peterman to slide btw. 

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17 hours ago, BuffaloHokie13 said:

Pocket Passers are just as likely to get hurt. Look at the List this year:

 

Carson Palmer (1.65 runs per game)

Aaron Rodgers (3.52)

Andrew Luck (4.09)

Deshaun Watson (5.14)

Ryan Tannehill (2.81)

Sam Bradford (1.80)

Jameis Winston (3.07)

Derek Carr (1.98)

Marcus Mariota (3.53)

Jay Cutler (2.54)

Carson Wentz (3.79)

Tyrod Taylor (6.52)

Josh McCown (2.54)

 

3 of the 13 run more than 4 times a game on average. 6 of the 13 (still less than half) run 3.5 times or more.

A lot of them were hurt on running plays this year.  I think even the pocket passer should stop running as much as they do now.  They are QBs who are paid more than any position in the league and are the most important player on a team.  True pocket passers get hurt less by not putting themselves in danger by running.  Just throw it and let the running backs do their job.

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