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A fourth for a second rounder.

Lol

In fairness, he also cost a fourth rounder. At least they got that back. Edited by MDFan
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We just threw away a 2nd round pick. This is why we are who we are.

I'd say they just threw away another one of Whaleys bad draft picks. Not only did they throw him away but they suckered another team into giving us a pick for him.

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Yup. And there aren't a lot of consistently good coaches. It's like QBing. There are only about 10-12 guys on the planet that do it consistently well.

And that's a sliding scale of "consistency" too.

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1st and 2nd round picks should be the core of your team. We get rid of them like we don't need them. McD and BB better come away with a great QB prospect and several other impact players over the next few years or they will be gone too.

Well they should be the core of your team but if they are bad picks to begin with your core will suck. I mean Maybin was a first rounder. Anyone upset when we got rid of him?

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@NDTScouting

A look back at the Bills' pick of Reggie Ragland and why I think taking an early 'L' is a good thing for #BillsMafia

https://www.ndtscouting.com/bills/crabbs-reggie-ragland-2016-nfl-draft-retrospect/

A growing trend in the NFL: accepting your losses early. The Patriots did it with Kony Ealy. The Tampa Bay Buccaneers did it with K Roberto Aguayo. And now the Buffalo Bills have done the same with Reggie Ragland. Kudos to the Bills for being the only team to get draft capital back.

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Young players that were drafted higher than what we are dumping them for was the point...nobody put them on the same level, champ.

 

I'm glad you enjoy throwing away young players that cost much more than what we are bringing back...that's a losing philosophy if I ever saw one.

You don't get what you paid when you over paid to begin with and those players have shown cap on top of it.

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Then what would you recommend they do with new coaches and GMs when it comes to contracts? Rent to own?

 

The mistakes made by the Pegulas neither begin nor end with the length of the contract. In fact, the length of the contract doesn't play a role at all EXCEPT to instill confidence, not just in the person you're hiring but the players he hopes to recruit. You can't try to bring a good player or other coaches with you if you sign a two-year deal.

 

The only part of the bad contract that affects anyone is the money, and since it's not your money, it's not part of the conversation.

You're basically arguing that people who recieve 6 year contracts would still have confidence instilled by the Pegulas if they fired their last 4 predecessors 1 year into their 6 year contracts.

 

We'll just have to disagree.

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@NDTScouting

A look back at the Bills' pick of Reggie Ragland and why I think taking an early 'L' is a good thing for #BillsMafia

https://www.ndtscouting.com/bills/crabbs-reggie-ragland-2016-nfl-draft-retrospect/

 

Makes me feel better. Imagine if we just straight cut him. People would be more pissed (yes it's possible). He wasn't fitting in and they didn't see him in their plans. It sucks but it is what it is.

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NFL.com: Bills trade Reggie Ragland to Chiefs for 2019 pick

 

 

A Rex Ryan-era pick, Ragland now heads to play for Chiefs defensive coordinator Bob Sutton, a fellow employer of the versatile 3-4 look Ryan had pegged Ragland for back in 2016. Sutton was Ryan's long-time linebackers coach in New York.

 

So it goes for the new executive group in Buffalo. McDermott made a hasty attempt to change the Ryan-era culture by cracking down on rules and removing the team's locker room ping pong table. A little more than two weeks ago, new general manager Brandon Beane also took an eraser to the Doug Whaley tenure by executing a blockbuster trade that sent former No. 4 overall pick Sammy Watkins to the Rams and 2015 second-round pick Ronald Darby to the Eagles.

 

For new general managers and coaches, this type of shakeup seems to have become a standard. Upon Howie Roseman's return to power in Philadelphia, he distanced the team from almost every major selection or signing of the Chip Kelly era. In Cleveland, the Browns also sold their roster in parts, collecting whatever draft capital they could manage. The Bills have enough experience at quarterback and enough veteran experience to stay afloat in 2017, but the pivot toward a potentially brighter (and younger) future started a few months ago and there's no looking back.

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A pick in 2 years ? Lmao

 

Rather have Ragland and see if he recovers

I'm pretty sure we could use 4th 2018 pick in the upcoming draft if we decide to move up
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Doug as signed on for 7 years. He got 3 and then a 4 year extension. To match Rex's 5 year deal.

 

How long of a contract you give someone is irrelevant if you can them early.

It's not irrelevant to Pegulas pocket book.

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If I were owner I'd give the GM and HC iron clad 10 year contracts with a no fire clause. The problem this team has had for years now is lack of stability. You can't keep changing things every few years. You can't establish a philosophy of how you want to play, which then leads to who you draft, and so on.

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Ragland was doomed from the start with this current coaching staff. He was a square peg in a round hole. Did not have the skill set for the defense that they run. Wasted draft pick. Getting a 4th in 2019 is a bummer. I think he will be a solid NFL player.

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