spartan19 Posted August 28, 2017 Share Posted August 28, 2017 Seems appropriate, a team that is thin with talent, trading for a player that could potentially help them 2 years from now. Maybe the hidden meaning behind "It starts with one" is McBeane will trade every current player until he has one, probably Steven Hauschka. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
klos63 Posted August 28, 2017 Share Posted August 28, 2017 How many more games do you think we will lose as a result of our 3rd-string MLB being traded? I'm thinking 16. I understand it's a different staff and system, but when a team gets nothing out of 1st and 2nd round picks, it hurts the team. Even if the trade makes sense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bangarang Posted August 28, 2017 Share Posted August 28, 2017 Nope because the have traditionally undervalued a QB and over value other positions We are constantly spinning our wheels in the mud. Whether it's pushing some other team's backup or journeyman as our next franchise guy. Or drafting players for one scheme and then changing that scheme 2 years later. Or taking something that worked and changing it with the next coaching staff. We basically missed out on Dak just so we could trade up for Ragland, only to change to a scheme he doesn't fit a year later and trade him away for a mid round pick. Or we draft and develop players and let them walk as free agents just so we can use early draft picks replacing them. Constantly spinning those wheels. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MILFHUNTER#518 Posted August 28, 2017 Share Posted August 28, 2017 Any picks we can pick up wheather it is 2018 or 2019 is better than just cutting a player and not getting anything... +1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spartan19 Posted August 28, 2017 Share Posted August 28, 2017 None of the current decision makers had anything to do with that pick, or that trade up... And a LOT of people feel what made the Bills look dumb was to give up two 4th round picks to trade up for a 2-down, 3-4, ILB...Then they switch back to the 4-3 and he's not really a fit at all... To boot, that same ILB is coming off a major knee injury and was not going to play...Nothing against Ragland...it was to be expected he would not be back to full speed for a while... How is this dumb again?... They are devoid of talent and didn't get anything in return that can help them this year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted August 28, 2017 Share Posted August 28, 2017 We are fantastic at drafting and then trading linebackers in their sophomore year. only if they tear an ACL #bye Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HappyDays Posted August 28, 2017 Share Posted August 28, 2017 I understand it's a different staff and system, but when a team gets nothing out of 1st and 2nd round picks, it hurts the team. Even if the trade makes sense. We already got nothing out of it. Now we got back a 4th instead of just cutting him. I don't know how anyone can hate this move. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
klos63 Posted August 28, 2017 Share Posted August 28, 2017 Huh. I actually think it's pretty impressive that he got a 4th for a guy coming off a major knee injury that probably won't be fully healthy until next season. We don't know what the conditions of the pick are yet, though. Maybe the pick moves up a round if Ragland does well, or maybe the pick is conditional on him making the team... I also think it was amazing to get Anything for Cardale! Even if te only a 7th. He's a practice squad QB at best. And getting a 3rd plus Matthews (who was drafted in the 2nd in the strongest WR draft class in a Long time), for a guy drafted in the 2nd was also great value IMO. I'd have liked a 1st for Sammy, but with his injury history and being a free agent at year's end it just wasn't realistic. But I think Beane has traded pretty well so far, as far as value goes. But the team isn't going to be very good this season and it takes while for draft picks to have an impact, if they do at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jauronimo Posted August 28, 2017 Share Posted August 28, 2017 But in the meantime let's complain about everything and expect the worst because that's why we watch football, amirite? Again, who said that? The level of discourse on this site would be a lot higher if you could accept that some of those who disagree with you do so from a point of reason. I don't complain about everything and expect the worse anymore than you blindly support everything this team does while thinking we're contenders. So far this vision and process has produced a lot of moves that I don't agree with. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Best Player Available Posted August 28, 2017 Share Posted August 28, 2017 Any of you Draftniks have some insight on the 2019 draft class? word is they will all be millennials who dislike large boobs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted August 28, 2017 Author Share Posted August 28, 2017 We are constantly spinning our wheels in the mud. Whether it's pushing some other team's backup or journeyman as our next franchise guy. Or drafting players for one scheme and then changing that scheme 2 years later. Or taking something that worked and changing it with the next coaching staff. We basically missed out on Dak just so we could trade up for Ragland, only to change to a scheme he doesn't fit a year later and trade him away for a mid round pick. Or we draft and develop players and let them walk as free agents just so we can use early draft picks replacing them. Constantly spinning those wheels. Or maybe we should have never hired Rex. Pegula made the same type of mistake when he first bought the Sabres. Thought they were close and spent a ton. Though Bills where close went and got Rex and spent a ton. Now like the sabres doing it the right way Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big C Posted August 28, 2017 Share Posted August 28, 2017 only if they tear an ACL #bye Too bad Ragland didn't have a strong first half of his rookie season so we could trade him for another superstar skill position player. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4_kidd_4 Posted August 28, 2017 Share Posted August 28, 2017 Excellent. /burns Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woodman19 Posted August 28, 2017 Share Posted August 28, 2017 But the team isn't going to be very good this season and it takes while for draft picks to have an impact, if they do at all. How else can you build a team in a cap world? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KellyToughII Posted August 28, 2017 Share Posted August 28, 2017 I have no idea what's going on but apparently you can win the Super Bowl with future draft picks. New England has for years... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bangarang Posted August 28, 2017 Share Posted August 28, 2017 We already got nothing out of it. Now we got back a 4th instead of just cutting him. I don't know how anyone can hate this move. We just threw away a 2nd round pick. These picks should be instant contributors. Instead, we're just left hoping BB and McD are going to be good at drafting. We're stepping over dollars to save pennies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted August 28, 2017 Author Share Posted August 28, 2017 He was always a two down thumper. His combine numbers confirmed that. Bills traded up and drafting him anyway Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
klos63 Posted August 28, 2017 Share Posted August 28, 2017 We already got nothing out of it. Now we got back a 4th instead of just cutting him. I don't know how anyone can hate this move. It's not the move by itself, it's getting nothing out of a 2nd round pick from last season, it's trading other 2nd and 1st round picks from the past couple years and getting future draft picks. It's the culmination of a multi year sh$t storm for this franchise. You can't become a contender if you get nothing out of you top picks. Or maybe we should have never hired Rex. Pegula made the same type of mistake when he first bought the Sabres. Thought they were close and spent a ton. Though Bills where close went and got Rex and spent a ton. Now like the sabres doing it the right way Exactly Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan4 Posted August 28, 2017 Share Posted August 28, 2017 They didn't with Murray and Bylsma with the Sabres. Murray kind of did that to himself IMO. He traded away a ton of good, high draft picks to speed up the rebuild and flat out said as much. He said rebuilds don't have to take years. He said "give me 2 drafts". Had he just been more patient and used all those 1st and 2nd round picks he traded away, Pegula probably would have been more patient IMO. Plus, him being such a jerk didn't help I don't think, especially since LaFontaine hired him, not Pegula. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woodman19 Posted August 28, 2017 Share Posted August 28, 2017 The mistake was drafting him in the first place with a 2nd, not trading him for the 4th. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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