So who's YOUR starting qb?

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

Indeed

 

People that watch more than just the preseason and don't have an agenda tend to place more emphasis on his body of work over 29 regular season games than 2 preseason quarters

 

Crazy, I know

That's because we know Taylors not a passing QB.

Crazy as it is he's not show us anything new.

Edited August 27, 2017 by ShadyBillsFan

[Boatdrinks]

Read those words again or go back to old posts and see that I have said THE EXACT same thing on numerous occasions. Here is a similar take from July: https://forums.twobillsdrive.com/topic/191879-teddy-bridgewater-expected-to-miss-all-of-2017-season/page-9

The Bills running game was great because it was a perfect storm. We no longer have that elite scheme. It will regress.

I think you're most likely right Kirby. Sometimes the unexpected happens. In this case it did. Could something unexpected happen to this offense? It could, but it doesn't appear likely. Asking players to do things they don't do well is generally a recipe for disaster.

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

15-14 as a starter in the regular season (despite a badly underachieving defense) and a top-10 scoring offense

 

I'd say he's proven that he's not overwhelmed as a starter

 

Nobody said he can't be improved upon

You're talking team again and not TT

 

JM2009, on 27 Aug 2017 - 2:50 PM, said:

He was also the seventh rated QB when under pressure in 2016. His presence makes the running game better. he is by far the best running QB in the league. rushing TDs count the same as passing TDs.. he isn't great, was not expected to be esp since he is just a FA, and he is not terrible. But if they don't want him to run and took away his deep threat, maybe they should trade him.

 

 

This is just the dumbest argument it makes me want to scream. Read my post last page.

You'll never sway team Taylor.

[Kirby Jackson]

I think you're most likely right Kirby. Sometimes the unexpected happens. In this case it did. Could something unexpected happen to this offense? It could, but it doesn't appear likely. Asking players to do things they don't do well is generally a recipe for disaster.

I agree with you 100%. The same thing is happening on offense right now that Rex did to the defense. Changing what works is not a good idea. The Bills should have tried to run a similar scheme and focused on improving the intermediate passing game. They should have kept the same running scheme and tried to still throw the ball down the field. That had them as a top 10 scoring offense. Instead, they got rid of the speed and down field threats. The running scheme is a lot different. When Rex came in the Bills pass rush was great. They got pressure with 4 in Schwartz's scheme. Rex came in and abandoned what worked and the defense suffered greatly. Now, they look like a good defense again by reverting back to what they do well.

[GoBills808]

Just FYI Cinci's run D in 2015 was bottom-10 in YPC allowed, so there's no outlier in Kirby's argument

They were indeed. And McCoy averaged 5.3 YPC against them that game. Again, the ONLY game that fits his claim is the Jacksonville fiasco.

[thebandit27]

They were indeed. And McCoy averaged 5.3 YPC against them that game. Again, the ONLY game that fits his claim is the Jacksonville fiasco.

And the Jets game that you decided didn't count because shady was out...but the guy that had the highest YPC in the NFL last year played.

You're talking team again and not TT

 

You'll never sway team Taylor.

As Kirby points out, just compare the O in 2015-2016 with Tyrod to the O in 2015-2016 without him.

 

What's the result?

[DrDawkinstein]

 

Why though? Brady was a 6th rounder...Warner was undrafted...Jason Peters was undrafted TE.

 

This obsession over where a player was found by this board never ceases to amaze me. This board always OVER VALUES draft picks over talent...then when we use those draft picks on players, everyone wants to write them off if they don't like the exact spot where they were drafted.

 

Not yelling, caps to emphasize: ONCE YOU ARE ON A ROSTER, HOW YOU GOT THERE HAS ZERO RELEVANCE...PERIOD. I am soooo tired of people disregarding players because they hate where they were taken in the draft.

 

Dak was a 3rd, Russel was a 3rd, Carr was a 2nd, Brady was a 6th, Cousins was a 4th, Brees was a 2nd, Warner wasn't drafted, and so on and so on. The draft isn't until after the season, we already have Peterman a guy who was projected to go in the 2nd-4th round going into the draft. So why just say "who cares, let him get ruined because we will just draft another one next year" and see if we might have found a gem like its happened so many times before?

 

I mean this logic is aggravating and baffling to me. Nothing would be better than to see a QB on this roster cease the job for the future so we can use the bounty of picks building this team. Even if you don't think it will happen, it still could. The staff has repeatedly said they like this kid...he is not ready today, but man he has shown some real potential, and to disregard and throw in the towel on him is stupid.

 

 

I dont necessarily disagree with any of your points, I just dont care nearly as much anymore.

 

And yeah, Dak was a 3d, Wilson was a 3rd... and that's why we saw Mahomes go #10 overall.

 

Even if 1 or 2 don't come out, there should be 3-4 1st round QB prospects for us next year. You gotta go in early to get your guy nowadays. And frankly, I just dont trust this team (even with the new FO) to find those hidden gems at QB in the later rounds. This team has almost never been able to identify good QB talent. If anything, I'm for pulling a Redskins and taking 1 in the 1st and another by the 4th, and let them compete with Peterman and Tyrod next year.

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

And the Jets game that you decided didn't count because shady was out...but the guy that had the highest YPC in the NFL last year played.

 

As Kirby points out, just compare the O in 2015-2016 with Tyrod to the O in 2015-2016 without him.

 

What's the result?

Throw out what you saw last season

 

This is an whole new offense.

 

Tyrods crutch Sammy is gone and the excuses have to end.

 

It's season 3. Plenty of time to see who he is and what his limitations are.

Edited August 27, 2017 by ShadyBillsFan

[thebandit27]

Throw out what you saw last season

 

This is an whole new offense.

 

Tyrods crutch Sammy is gone and the excuses have to end.

 

It's season 3. Plenty of time to see who he is and what his limitations are.

Throw out last year?

 

Ok...who should start at RB?

[xsoldier54]

Tyrod or Peterman? I really don't see any step back starting Peterman this season. What is Tyrod gonna do any difference come Sept 10th?

Peterman is a rookie. Taylor despite his flaws has experience as a starter at the NFL level. It's a no brainer. At this stage in their professional development Taylor is the better option at QB. Peterman may be a decent NFL QB one day, but not now.

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

Sure why not.

 

You know better than that.

 

It the passing game that needs to evolve not the running game.

Throw out last year?

 

Ok...who should start at RB?

And for the record.

 

 

My point has been not to 💩 on Peterman so fast.

[Gunsgoodtime]

Any human being willing to risk his life behind this Oline is who I would go with. Count me out.

[JM2009]

Any human being willing to risk his life behind this Oline is who I would go with. Count me out.

Hopefully Glenn can go day 1.

[Agent 91]

None of the above...they all suck.....

 

On a real team Yates wouldn't make it past the first round of cuts. He's awful.

Technically hasnt made it passed ours yet either.

[xRUSHx]

Tyrod pushers working hard in this thread. Many can see Tyrod should have never been brought back while the same blind pushers continue to bang there head into the wall and pretend it doesn't hurt while blood drips down there face throwing padded stats to prove there point. It's over man move on, using Tyrod is a complete waste of time, energy and team money. Trade him and bring in another while Peterman starts. SMH if this staff is going to continue down the Chan failed path of trying to show how a backup QB from another team is this teams best option even though the last staff proved Tyrod just isn't good enough, we already watched this failed show the last two seasons.

When it comes to Tyrod its everyone else that has failed not the saviour Tyrod when it comes to moving the ball.SMH

[JM2009]

Tyrod pushers working hard in this thread. Many can see Tyrod should have never been brought back while the same blind pushers continue to bang there head into the wall and pretend it doesn't hurt while blood drips down there face throwing padded stats to prove there point. It's over man move on, using Tyrod is a complete waste of time, energy and team money. Trade him and bring in another while Peterman starts. SMH if this staff is going to continue down the Chan failed path of trying to show how a backup QB from another team is this teams best option even though the last staff proved Tyrod just isn't good enough, we already watched this failed show the last two seasons.

The defense was the main problem in 2016, not TT. He did a pretty good job in the offense he was managing-he was allowed to run and throw deep. Both have been taken away. But why do I bother. .. padded stats-are you kidding me? you can't even acknowledge what the guy does well. You have a serious problem here.

[26CornerBlitz]

Tyrod pushers working hard in this thread. Many can see Tyrod should have never been brought back while the same blind pushers continue to bang there head into the wall and pretend it doesn't hurt while blood drips down there face throwing padded stats to prove there point. It's over man move on, using Tyrod is a complete waste of time, energy and team money. Trade him and bring in another while Peterman starts. SMH if this staff is going to continue down the Chan failed path of trying to show how a backup QB from another team is this teams best option even though the last staff proved Tyrod just isn't good enough, we already watched this failed show the last two seasons.

When it comes to Tyrod its everyone else that has failed not the saviour Tyrod when it comes to moving the ball.SMH

 

One of BBMB's finest.

[Big Gun]

The defense was the main problem in 2016, not TT. He did a pretty good job in the offense he was managing-he was allowed to run and throw deep. Both have been taken away. But why do I bother. .. padded stats-are you kidding me? you can't even acknowledge what the guy does well. You have a serious problem here.

You nailed it, that is all he does well. Unfortunately for him and his followers there is a whole lot more to being a QB than running and throwing deep. In the world of TT followers nothing more is needed I guess.

[Rochesterfan]

1. Peterman is completing 50% of his passes...that is TEBOW-esque.

2. I do LIKE Peterman as a prospect, and the WORST way to develop a kid who isn't ready is to throw him to the wolves. Everyone here who wants him to start either hates the kid or doesn't understand how to develop a QB.

3. We have one of, if not the worst, offensive line in terms of pass protection in football right now. Another reason putting him out there too early could just set the kid back.

 

I swear, its like the fan base here has had their head in the sand for 17 years. Serious question: HOW MANY TIMES DO THE BILLS NEED TO RUIN THE DEVELOPMENT OF A YOUNG QB BEFORE YOU PEOPLE REALIZE ITS THE WRONG WAY TO DO IT?

 

Putting a young QB out there who isn't quite ready behind a bad offensive line is a TERRIBLE...and I mean TERRIBLE tactic to develop him. There is NO REASON to start him over Taylor, not one. It changes nothing for us.

 

And most important, Taylor has already been named the starter Week 1, so this poll is a dead thread and completely pointless. I do think that if Taylor and the offense continue to struggle into the season, that Peterman WILL and SHOULD get a chance to take over and showcase what he may or may not be the rest of the season. HOWEVER, there is ZERO chance that is week 1. Not guessing, but literal ZERO chance as McD already stated with a shadow of a doubt that TT is the starter entering the regular season.

 

So what is the correct way to develop a QB?

 

We had Collins and Losman - both sat a year before getting to start - did not develop.

 

We had Edwards and Manual - started as Rookies - did not develop.

 

Across the league - you had guys like Manning in the past and Prescott/Wilson start as rookies and develop and guys like Brady and Rodgers take a year or more and develop.

 

Cleveland has had a ton of picks some starting right away and some sitting and they have not developed.

 

 

I believe - if a guy is a fit in the system - playing him will develop him faster than sitting him. I think sitting a player will produce a more consistent player when they actually start, but it does not aid in development.

 

The key is the guy has to be a player. Sitting and starting has never been a factor as far as I can tell - both systems work and former NFL QBs have Pros and Cons of both. If the Bills feel he is the better player - there is no reason not to start him. If the Bills feel TT gives them the best chance at the moment - then you start him.

 

Everything you state is your opinion - I would love to see the facts that back it up.

[xRUSHx]

The defense was the main problem in 2016, not TT. He did a pretty good job in the offense he was managing-he was allowed to run and throw deep. Both have been taken away. But why do I bother. .. padded stats-are you kidding me? you can't even acknowledge what the guy does well. You have a serious problem here.

You guys have the problem, you guys need to retire the Tyrod pajamas and let it go. Sadly you few are the same lost souls that couldn't let Fitz go. Here we go again with you few trying hard to hold this team back with yet another backup QB not good enough. SMH Edited August 28, 2017 by xRUSHx