Enemarty Posted August 25, 2017 Posted August 25, 2017 Marino, hands down. As much as I love Kelly and I respect his command of the no huddle, I would have been interested to see what Marino could have done with Reed to throw to and Thomas to hand off to. This. The no-huddle really worked for us, but I'd take the "possibly" slight downgrade in Marino running that offense for the arm and accuracy he brings (and you can always adjust the offense). Reed, Thurman, throw in Lofton for the long ball, scary. Put it this way, it has been noted above that Jim beat Dan consistently, but those wins were never easy and all Dan had were two sprinters on the outside. He made a lot out of what he was given, which wasn't much.
Runninrams Posted August 25, 2017 Posted August 25, 2017 Marino by a HUGE gap. Jim Kelly is overrated, sorry but true. He's the 90s version of Eli Manning. 21 TD to 28 INT in the playoffs average year is 3,500 yds, 23 TD, 17 INT. Marino: 61,361 yds, 420 TD Kelly: 35,467 yds, 237 TD
Kirby Jackson Posted August 25, 2017 Posted August 25, 2017 I wonder what the percentage would be if this was a Dolphins website?
26CornerBlitz Posted August 25, 2017 Posted August 25, 2017 I wonder what the percentage would be if this was a Dolphins website? 100% just like it should be here.
row_33 Posted August 25, 2017 Posted August 25, 2017 Marino a million times over. But Kelly was better suited to the Bills and I have never regretted for one second cheering for Jim. Marino was the Marcel Dionne of the NFL.
dave mcbride Posted August 25, 2017 Posted August 25, 2017 100% just like it should be here. LOL. True! Passing Marino Game manager Kelly. 4 SB to 1 SB Balance with good passing and running. Yeah, Kelly was the better run blocker and better RB than Marino. I have to give him that.
Saxum Posted August 25, 2017 Posted August 25, 2017 As a pure passer Marino was a better thrower but being a QB is more than just throwing. Marino's fakes were terrible and got his RBs demolished. Kelly blocked and ran when it made sense, When Kelly threw an interception he became a defender. Kelly was a better leader.
PolishDave Posted August 25, 2017 Posted August 25, 2017 Marino. And I don't think it's close. Agree. Marino was the better player. Kelly was damn good, but Kelly was on a much better team in my opinion.
26CornerBlitz Posted August 25, 2017 Posted August 25, 2017 Agree. Marino was the better player. Kelly was damn good, but Kelly was on a much better team in my opinion. Easily the case. The Bills were far superior to the Dolphins as an overall team during that era.
folz Posted August 25, 2017 Posted August 25, 2017 Team focused? You mean like when he was publicly calling out teammates via the media? Give me a break. I guess you stopped watching Kelly's career and the Bills after the 1989 season. Yes, Kelly came in as a cocky SOB. But under Marv/Polian and through the bickering Bills stuff, he matured and became a huge team guy. He had the entire team over to his house after games, look at the relationships the players still have, he never cared about his stats, etc. Yes, Jim had a better supporting cast (at least RB and usually defense) and as I said before Marino was by far the better pure passer (the guy broke just about every record there was), but I would still take Kelly for those precious intangibles. Watching both of their careers side-by-side (yes, with a Bills bias) there is no doubt that Kelly was a better leader and tougher. Marino would throw balls into the ground to avoid getting hit. I don't think I ever saw Marino make a tackle on an interception or get out in front of a RB who had reversed field to block for him. Now a QB shouldn't necessarily do those things because you don't want him getting hurt, but ask the other guys on the team who are constantly putting themselves in harm's way, how they feel about their QB if he does do those things. They follow him. Plus Marino was a whiner with refs, with teammmates. Kelly wasn't. So, no question Marino was a more prolific, skilled passer. His release may have been the quickest I've ever seen. Great player. Great QB. But I'm still picking Kelly as QB of my team. This isn't fantasy, this is football.
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted August 25, 2017 Posted August 25, 2017 LOL. True! Yeah, Kelly was the better run blocker and better RB than Marino. I have to give him that. . Who was that Viking that got his leg broken by Kelly ?
26CornerBlitz Posted August 25, 2017 Posted August 25, 2017 (edited) I guess you stopped watching Kelly's career and the Bills after the 1989 season. Yes, Kelly came in as a cocky SOB. But under Marv/Polian and through the bickering Bills stuff, he matured and became a huge team guy. He had the entire team over to his house after games, look at the relationships the players still have, he never cared about his stats, etc. Yes, Jim had a better supporting cast (at least RB and usually defense) and as I said before Marino was by far the better pure passer (the guy broke just about every record there was), but I would still take Kelly for those precious intangibles. Watching both of their careers side-by-side (yes, with a Bills bias) there is no doubt that Kelly was a better leader and tougher. Marino would throw balls into the ground to avoid getting hit. I don't think I ever saw Marino make a tackle on an interception or get out in front of a RB who had reversed field to block for him. Now a QB shouldn't necessarily do those things because you don't want him getting hurt, but ask the other guys on the team who are constantly putting themselves in harm's way, how they feel about their QB if he does do those things. They follow him. Plus Marino was a whiner with refs, with teammmates. Kelly wasn't. So, no question Marino was a more prolific, skilled passer. His release may have been the quickest I've ever seen. Great player. Great QB.But I'm still picking Kelly as QB of my team. This isn't fantasy, this is football. Yeah, they both played football in the NFL last time I checked and by any objective measure Marino was the better QB. Hell I'd take either one as my QB, but given a choice I take Marino every single time. Edited August 25, 2017 by 26CornerBlitz
The Jokeman Posted August 25, 2017 Posted August 25, 2017 (edited) Marino because he was able to play better in a traditional offense. Kelly on the other hand relied on the run and shoot in Houston and then a 3 WR 1 TE offense here in Buffalo. Edited August 25, 2017 by The Jokeman
nucci Posted August 25, 2017 Posted August 25, 2017 Marino because he was able to play better in a traditional offense. Kelly on the other hand relied on the run and shoot in Houston and then a 3 WR 1 TE offense here in Buffalo. Miami's offense didn't play 3 WRs?
Over 29 years of fanhood Posted August 25, 2017 Posted August 25, 2017 I am a die hard Jim Kelly fan. I became a Bills fan when he finally joined, and he and I have had the same Cancer. That said... its a Push. If you could combine certain aspects of the two, you would have literally had THE perfect QB. Can you guys quit bitching about that BS already? We got to the superbowl doing what we did. Billy B came up with one of the most off the wall, and brilliant, defensive game plans ever to slow us down. And Jim Kelly and the offense did NOT lose that Superbowl, the Defense did. Go back and watch again objectively. They couldn't tackle or stop the run at all. O averaged 26.8 ppg, d allowed 16.5 ppg... Both units underperformed, but since the d added 2 pts, offense only scored 17, 10 points off of the average. So they were only in scoring rage 4 times the whole game... Not all that impressive for the team that put up over 40 in the two games prior. Marino was the better QB - Kelly had the better team and was a better fit. Yup. Rivers is to Marino as Eli is to Kelly, imo.
26CornerBlitz Posted August 25, 2017 Posted August 25, 2017 O averaged 26.8 ppg, d allowed 16.5 ppg... Both units underperformed, but since the d added 2 pts, offense only scored 17, 10 points off of the average. So they were only in scoring rage 4 times the whole game... Not all that impressive for the team that put up over 40 in the two games prior. Yup. Rivers is to Marino as Eli is to Kelly, imo. 2 rings to none.
Another Fan Posted August 25, 2017 Posted August 25, 2017 I wonder if these boards were around in the 80s and early 90s how many Kelly vs Reich debates would come up
folz Posted August 25, 2017 Posted August 25, 2017 (edited) Yeah, they both played football in the NFL last time I checked and by any objective measure Marino was the better QB. Hell I'd take either one as my QB, but given a choice I take Marino every single time. Fair enough 26CB...and I agree that both were great QBs. And the line about fantasy wasn't directed at you but more at posts like the one below. Just posting stats doesn't tell the full story. Marino by a HUGE gap. Jim Kelly is overrated, sorry but true. He's the 90s version of Eli Manning. 21 TD to 28 INT in the playoffs average year is 3,500 yds, 23 TD, 17 INT. Marino: 61,361 yds, 420 TD Kelly: 35,467 yds, 237 TD Did you ever actually watch Kelly play? Overrated? Just as an experiment (stat-wise) let's look at a couple of things. First, Marino played 17 years in the NFL. Kelly played only 11. Kelly played two years in the USFL. Now comparing those stats to NFL stats may be a bit of comparing apples to oranges, but if you add those in it becomes: Marino: 61,361 yds, 420 TDs in 17 seasons Kelly: 45,309 yds, 320 TDs in 13 seasons You posted Kelly's yearly average, but not Marino's Kelly: 3,485 yds, 25 TDs, 17 INTs Marino: 3,609 yds, 25 TDs, 15 INTs That equates to about 8 yards more per game for Marino and 0.125 fewer Ints/game. Hmmm... Not looking like quite as big of a difference anymore. And if you prorated Kelly's averages out to 17 seasons it would look like this (not saying the length one plays/durability isn't a factor in making a player great, but again, Marino always avoided contact and Kelly took it head on, so goes to figure his career was a bit shorter). Kelly: 59,245 yds, 425 TDs, 289 INTs Marino: 61,361 yds, 425 TDs, 255 INTs Yes, it's just a lot of number crunching, but it shows that the gap probably wasn't as big as it seems on a year to year basis, as opposed to just looking at their overall yards/TDs at the end of their careers. Edited August 25, 2017 by folz
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