WhoTom Posted August 25, 2017 Posted August 25, 2017 Kaep is a mid-level backup. Without the controversy he'd be in the NFL. If he were a better QB, he'd be in the NFL, regardless of the controversy. (See M. Vick)
26CornerBlitz Posted August 25, 2017 Posted August 25, 2017 Bortles/Henne vs. Kaepernick? @AroundTheNFL Jaguars owner 'absolutely' open to signing Colin Kaepernick if team's football personnel wanted him http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000834426/article/jaguars-owner-absolutely-open-to-signing-kaepernick
Big Turk Posted August 25, 2017 Posted August 25, 2017 I mean, overall I agree with what Shady had to say about why Kaepernick doesn't have a team anymore. I must say though I was shocked by how brutal and blunt he was being. It seems Kaep has quite the race charged following right now and they've got their focus on McCoy. Wouldn't be surprised to see some more drama come from this. I literally posted the exact same thing on Facebook two days ago...
dgrochester55 Posted August 25, 2017 Posted August 25, 2017 McCoy is right. Kaep has done more than kneel at the anthem. He wore a Castro shirt. During independence day, he was in Ghana stating that he could not celebrate independence day because he didn't have freedom. Many see the latter two as anti American. This will put off a lot of people. He has the right to express it but free speech comes with consequences. If he did have top tier talent, a team may deal with it. he doesn't. Why sign someone who will anger your fanbase when players like Jay Cutler, RG3, Brock Osweiler and Fitz give you the same caliber QB without the controversy. McCoy should not be getting heat.for this.
Saxum Posted August 25, 2017 Posted August 25, 2017 Clearly Shady is a white supremacist. He should ask GG for membership card.
26CornerBlitz Posted August 25, 2017 Posted August 25, 2017 McCoy is right. Kaep has done more than kneel at the anthem. He wore a Castro shirt. During independence day, he was in Ghana stating that he could not celebrate independence day because he didn't have freedom. Many see the latter two as anti American. This will put off a lot of people. He has the right to express it but free speech comes with consequences. If he did have top tier talent, a team may deal with it. he doesn't. Why sign someone who will anger your fanbase when players like Jay Cutler, RG3, Brock Osweiler and Fitz give you the same caliber QB without the controversy. McCoy should not be getting heat.for this. Because the idea is to win games.
Saxum Posted August 25, 2017 Posted August 25, 2017 If a person of a different ethnicity were to say the same thing that is exactly how they would be labeled. Kyle Williams probably feels the same way but can't say so. I don't know if people are really that sensitive or if the media just loves blowing things out of proportion Yes both.
row_33 Posted August 25, 2017 Posted August 25, 2017 If someone has a problem they can tell it to his face, but he's been known to throw it down against tough guys.
Saxum Posted August 25, 2017 Posted August 25, 2017 I thought it was funny that people were in front of the NFL headquarters demanding Kaep be on a team. As if they are going to force a team to sign him and pay his high price when he isn't any good. I guess teams are religiously biased because Tebow isn't on a team. Would these same people demonstrate for that? Probably. Both have the same type of moronic followers.
GG Posted August 25, 2017 Posted August 25, 2017 He should ask GG for membership card. Yes, there's a pre-Sabbath discount only for today, especially for the clueless.
dgrochester55 Posted August 25, 2017 Posted August 25, 2017 Because the idea is to win games. And how will Kaep do that any more than the quarterbacks that I mentioned? They are all stopgap starters/backups at best. If you are in a position where you need a player at that level, you will pick the one that doesn't alienate fans or add unnecessary drama to a team.
row_33 Posted August 25, 2017 Posted August 25, 2017 You could pinpoint the moment CK fell apart as a QB, probably one too many hits to the head, and it ruined him inside as well. Maybe like on the Flinstones he needs another rock to fall on his head to bring him back to his normal self?
26CornerBlitz Posted August 25, 2017 Posted August 25, 2017 And how will Kaep do that any more than the quarterbacks that I mentioned? They are all stopgap starters/backups at best. If you are in a position where you need a player at that level, you will pick the one that doesn't alienate fans or add unnecessary drama to a team. RGIII, Osweiler, and Fitz? You really think that any of them are better? I do not.
MILFHUNTER#518 Posted August 25, 2017 Posted August 25, 2017 He was asked specifically about Vick, likely because he played with him in Philly. His actual comments are not that controversial IMO. He didn't say the anthem had nothing to do with it, he didn't say Kaep sucked or was bad, he said "it has a lot to do with his play" and "the chaos that comes along with it, that's a lot". McCoy is speaking the truth. TBN published a feature piece written by Janine Talley (Darryl Talley's wife) where she pretty much said the same thing (I think the topic was Michael Sam), that the amount of distraction a team will tolerate because of a player varies along with the players skill level - stars get a lot of slack, marginal players or players on the bubble not so much - as I recall her point was that if Michael Sam had a Von Miller or Khalil Mack level of talent, he'd be a gay guy wearing an NFL jersey but because he was "meh", he's not. "It’s a lot more than just he’s not on the team because he doesn’t want to stand for the national anthem," McCoy said. "That may have something to do with it, but I think also it has a lot to do with his play. I’m sure a lot of teams wouldn’t want him as their starting quarterback. That chaos that comes along with it, it’s a lot. As a team, trying to win and not have a distraction on the team, I just take that as a player – there’s certain players that could be on the team with big distractions, and there’s other players that it’s not good enough or not worth it. I think his situation is not good enough to have him on the team with all the attention that comes along with it." McCoy said that if it were a player like Patriots quarterback Tom Brady or Giants receiver Odell Beckham Jr. who elected to protest, "you’ll deal with that attention and play him. With certain guys, it’s not worth it. It’s all what you believe in. I kind of stay out of it because everybody has their own beliefs and what they believe in. It is what it is." McCoy has been around a similar situation in Philadelphia, when the Eagles signed quarterback Michael Vick after he was released from prison following his conviction on running a dog-fighting ring. "That’s a great example. You take a guy like Michael Vick who went through what he went through. He’s 10 times better than Kaepernick," McCoy said. "You’ll deal with that situation, that attention, that media aspect of it. The good, the bad attention you’ll get. Compared to Kaepernick, it’s like, he’s not really that good of a player to deal with. "So people outside of sports don’t really know that. They see only one side of a black guy standing up for a good reason, but the NFL is against him, but I think it’s more than that. I think it has to do with some of that. But also, dealing with him with him on the team you’re trying to build together. There’s so many outsiders can mess up a team. I can see both sides, I really can. I just don’t think a guy like him – a great example you used for Michael Vick, and I was on that team, and I haven’t seen more media for a player like that ever. And we’ll deal with a guy like Michael Vick or LeBron James. You’re going to deal with them, that attention, good or bad, positive or negative, compared to a guy like Kaepernick, who’s just OK. He’s an OK player, you know? He might not make certain teams. But them guys I talked about, they’re going to make them teams. They’re going to be the star of the teams." (he refers to Vick as 'a great example' and 'a great example you used') No, it's not ironic at all. It's entirely consistent with what McCoy said. As a star player already under contract, the team tolerated the distraction just as the 'Boys will with Elliot. His talent/distraction ratio is in his favor. His point would be that in a second tier player like Wendell Smallwood, drafted in the 5th round by the Eagles in 2016 and looking decent enough when he's played, it probably wouldn't be tolerated. It's a risk/reward talent/distraction ratio. Nailed it great post!
row_33 Posted August 25, 2017 Posted August 25, 2017 Shady rewarded with a 10 minute standing O at the first home game intro?
Hapless Bills Fan Posted August 25, 2017 Posted August 25, 2017 Kaep is a mid-level backup. Without the controversy he'd be in the NFL. If he were a better QB, he'd be in the NFL, regardless of the controversy. (See M. Vick) Yes, concisely put and that was McCoy's point. Shady rewarded with a 10 minute standing O at the first home game intro? Nah, distraction. Cheer when he makes a great play.
26CornerBlitz Posted August 25, 2017 Posted August 25, 2017 With other players kneeling or raising fists in protest, the whole point of keeping Kaepernick out of the league as some sort of distraction is moot. The first to take a stand is the one who often bears the brunt or pays the price, but that will end at some juncture.
CommonCents Posted August 25, 2017 Posted August 25, 2017 Always talking about him being blackballed, never talking about how he looks like he lost 35 pounds of muscle and his play went to ****.
Hapless Bills Fan Posted August 25, 2017 Posted August 25, 2017 RGIII, Osweiler, and Fitz? You really think that any of them are better? I do not. No, they're arguably worse than Kaep. But they come completely without distractions and controversy, and at least in Fitz case have a rep as being a great mentor and locker room guy who is smart and can play in several systems. Kaep is seen as being better *only in a specific system* yet not quite good enough to start/build a system around. So his value as a backup is lower (because you might have to change your system for him to succeed), and his distraction/controversy level much higher. The risk/reward doesn't pan out. With other players kneeling or raising fists in protest, the whole point of keeping Kaepernick out of the league as some sort of distraction is moot. The first to take a stand is the one who often bears the brunt or pays the price, but that will end at some juncture. If the anthem protest stuff Kaep started becomes so widespread that he's no longer a source of distraction/controversy, he'll possibly get a shot. Still has to deal with the perception he's a system-only QB from a rare system. Kaep is a mid-level backup. Without the controversy he'd be in the NFL. If he were a better QB, he'd be in the NFL, regardless of the controversy. (See M. Vick) Yep nailed it
IDBillzFan Posted August 25, 2017 Posted August 25, 2017 Is everyone jumping on Jim Brown for his comments too?
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