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Beaver extinct? LoL... Just above the lock... We had to take a bunch of trees down a few weeks ago. A beaver was getting into a few big trees and the trees were ready to fall on our overhead electrical service coming into the lock site.

About 10 years ago... We had to have a few hunted and trapped out. Damn furbearers, I never knew, they can be taken out of season when they are causing a nuisance. So a trapper came in and poor little fellas were gone... Until this year again...

And no all you pervs, not the kind of beaver that comes through on the pleasure boats. We like that kind! ;-)

Near extinct. There are probably less than a tenth of one percent of the number of beaver than before the French got to North America. Beaver were one of the first victims of the exploitation of the western wilderness. That's why there are so many French names in the middle west. The French controlled the rivers and lakes until the English began moving west to exploit the land, and then French and Indian War begins at Three Rivers Stadium, literally! Three rivers.

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Near extinct. There are probably less than a tenth of one percent of the number of beaver than before the French got to North America. Beaver were one of the first victims of the exploitation of the western wilderness. That's why there are so many French names in the middle west. The French controlled the rivers and lakes until the English began moving west to exploit the land, and then French and Indian War begins at Three Rivers Stadium, literally! Three rivers.

I went to college near pittsbrgh and never noticed any shortage of beaver near the Three Rivers

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I went to college near pittsbrgh and never noticed any shortage of beaver near the Three Rivers

Ok, I should have said the beavers don't reproduce quickly so the trappers quickly depleted their numbers in certain areas and had to move on. But since hunting them today is not done they are making a comeback

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I saw Asian carp featured on a cooking show...

 

The meat is supposed to be fluffy, and tasty... Why aren't we eating the sons of b!tches?

They don't bite live baited hook. Gotta snag them on hooks baited with bread, corn, etc... They are considered game fish in Europe... But NOT here. Pound for pound, they fight just as hard, if not harder than other "game" fish.

 

Picky North American diets. It is considered "rough." "Carp" is a misnomer... They don't muck the bottom. They vacuum zooplankton from top, just like alewives. Salmon only eat the alewives. Salmon will contain more Hg.

 

Asian carp are most eaten fish in the world. Also, contains 75% omega-3 than salmon.

 

The Great Lakes fishery has been mismanaged since 1967 when we first introduced Northwest Pacific salmon to lakes Michigan, Huron, and Erie... Great Lakes only have one natural species of salmon, Atlantic salmon in Lake Ontario and they can't get over Niagara Falls. Invasive Pacific salmon were introduced to control invasive alewives. In doing so, a charter fishing industry was born. As long as they protect one invasive, salmon, they leave door wide open for the carp. Carp eat what the alewives eat. State DNRs have to stock Pacific salmon every year, you need a salmon stamp on your license too... Extra $$$.

 

The top of the Lakes food chain was always lake trout. In 1950s they crashed from pollution and disease... Alewives over ran especially Lake Michigan. Alewives hit Middle Lakes through the Welland Canal, bypassing Falls. Again, 1967 they first introduced invasive salmon.

 

Start stocking lake trout, pike, perch... Yet, they will eat the stocked salmon!

 

This is big money, gov't fishery $$$... Did you notice earlier this year when Oroville Dam was ready to go in Cali... What was THEE first thing they quietly do? They protected the salmon hatchery moved it safely out of harms way. What do you think is paying the bills to introduce these fish (salmon) elsewhere in the Nation?

 

Everything is interconnected with $$ & government. You need gov't to protect you from yourself is what we are told. You think they like fish you can eat, albeit a few more bones, jumping into your boat with no fishing license?

 

Yes... I am still a liberal, but a sensible one. Gov't is mismanaging the Great Lakes Fishery. What happened with the lake sturgeon gives them argument for them thinking they know better.

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Time to reintroduce the lamprey to control the carp? :devil:

I know you are joking... ;-)

 

Yeah... But the lamprey get on other fish... ;-)

 

You can't fight an invasive with an invasive... Why we have the salmon-alewife thing... Now Asian carp, which out compete both! Asian carp eat what the alewives eat and salmon ONLY eat alewives. Lakers, pike, perch don't discriminate... They will eat the little salmon they so expensively stock and charge people to fish for and they will eat little carp... Carp will out compete the alewives AND the salmon... But not the lake trout, pike, and perch. Fish for those AND the carp, give up the invasive salmon... But then gov't makes no $$$$ from the charter industry they artifically keep afloat. It is so incestuous the two, the gov't and salmon charter, tourism industry. That's what they mean when States like Michigan say: "Our way of life is in harm's way by the Asian carp." What way of life? Something the gov't made for you since 1967. Something that the gov't keeps afloat with annual stocking of invasives from the Pacific NorthWest? Salmon in the Middle Lakes can't sustain themselves without gov't intervention. They only eat one fish and they only breed once.

 

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"The alewife (Alosa pseudoharengus) is an anadromous species of herring found in North America. It is one of the "typical" North American shads, attributed to the subgenus Pomolobus of the genus Alosa.[2] As an adult it is a marine species found in the northern West Atlantic Ocean, moving into estuaries before swimming upstream to breed in fresh water habitats, but some populations live entirely in fresh water. It is best known for its invasion of the Great Lakes by using the Welland Canal to bypass Niagara Falls. Here its population surged, peaking between the 1950s and 1980s to the detriment of many native species of fish. In an effort to control them biologically Pacific salmon were introduced, only partially successfully. As a marine fish, the alewife is a US National Marine Fisheries Service "Species of Concern"."

 

Sea lampreys are one of the reasons why lake trout, top of the Lake Michigan/Huron food chain, crashed in 1950s & 1960s... Allowing alewife populations from the Atlantic that migrated up the Welland and into the Middle Lakes to explode. They then introduced the invasive salmon. Boom! An industry was born!

 

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Silver bullet with the lamprey was where they bred. I think they cyanide breeding areas, closed the locks seasonally like the ones from Green Bay to Oshkosh in Wisconsin.

 

Up in Canada on Trent-Severn... They converted the lock @ Big Chute to a Marine Railway:

 

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Big_Chute_Marine_Railway

 

This stopped the lamprey migration through the lakes in Ontario and from Lake Huron to Lake Ontario.

 

We could do something like this for our pleasure boat traffic @ the Chicago Area locks:

 

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But Big Chute is so small and dinky... We process 10s of thousands of pleasure craft a year. Our commercial tows are 800 feet long and 100 feet wide... Pushing up to 10,000 tons of cargo each lockage cycle... How do we lift those? Chicago Harbor Lock downtown, doesnt have the commercial cargo, but the have the PC and commercial passenger vessels, water taxis, etc... Last weekend alone the locked over 4,000 vessels DAILY.

 

If they close the locks, how do we lift the boats and keep the local & national shipping economy rolling? PetroChem shipping industry along the North to Gulf shipping route, grain, steel, etc... to the world via that North-South inland shipping axis.

 

Anyway, why not re-introduce lake trout? Oh yeah, the artificial salmon charter industry, sport fishing business created in 1967 would be livid! Charter captains and tourism is big money too!

 

This is an industry vs. industry battle. Industrial shipping vs. sport, & recreation.

 

Who do you think Trump will side with? Which industry pays the bills? The 10 million tons and 500,000 passengers through the locks... Or the charter captains and sport fisherman?

 

That's my take and in am sticking to it!

 

Side note... Notice New York State still never tagged on to the suit that is pressing Illinois and the Feds to close the Chicago Area Waterways (CAWs). It's:

 

Illinois, Indiana, and the Feds

 

Vs.

 

Michigan, Wisconsin, Minnesota, Ohio, Pennsylvania (w/The Native American tribes & Ontario supportive).

 

Where's NYS???? Why aren't they officially in court with the other States?

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