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Real McClappy
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Trade Tyrod for a bag of fruit snacks for all I care.   McCoy needs to stay. McCoy is not a dime a dozen either, that statement is probably the stupidest one I've seen on multiple forum threads abou

Fadingpain
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The OP's basic point, at least about McCoy, remains valid.   By the time this team is sorted out and has a shot at being good, McCoy's sell-by date will have come and gone.   Kind of like the big

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Sure. I would not mind if the Bills made these trades. If they did not trade Watkins, I would disagree. But since they moved our second best offensive player, why not? Also, it seems that a major part

OldTimeAFLGuy Hall of Famer

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I'd be surprised if either one is dealt after Beane feigning indignation at the notion of tanking last week. If he turns right around and trades his starting QB or star RB, he loses credibility in a hurry.

...so then digging MORE holes has no assurances of a brighter future?.....since when?...........

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It will by the players.

I have a sneaky suspicion if the right offer comes along Taylor will be sent packing,

...so then digging MORE holes has no assurances of a brighter future?.....since when?...........

touche

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I have a sneaky suspicion if the right offer comes along Taylor will be sent packing,

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Ditto for McCoy, regardless of what Mike Florio has to say about it.

 

Having said that, I do not believe the Bills are looking to move either player and it is unlikely either will leave.

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I have a sneaky suspicion if the right offer comes along Taylor will be sent packing,

touche

 

...so what would that offer be bud?.....and what would it be based on?.....and WHO would offer?....just curious......

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...so who are your takers and why??...........

 

There is no team that is one running back away from the Super Bowl. So I don't see a big market out there for Shady. Like I said 2 mid round picks from a team like Green Bay or The Redskins is the return that makes sense to me. Contending teams that lack punch at the running back position might be willing to part with a 2018 4th and a 2019 5th to try and get 2 elite years out of Shady.

 

Why bother !@#$ing up your season just for some fairly meaningless mid round picks. The only trade I see out there for Tyrod that would net an actual return would be if a contending team with a similar QB type (Seattle and Carolina come to mind) suffered a devastating injury at QB and they offered a similar haul to what the Eagles got for Sam Bradford.

 

So if Cam Newton or Russell Wilson suffered a major injury I could see those teams willing to give up a 1st in 2018 plus 2 mid round picks for Tyrod. At that point I think you would have to consider it but that's an unlikely scenario.

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Man......you better watch out you will get a rep as a Shady hater. :flirt:

 

It's mostly about the position with Shady.......RB is a devalued position where 6th round rookies can come in and flash with huge seasons........no other offensive position like that.

 

We value guys that do it year in and year out more of course..........but it matters that you can plug in a Mike Gillislee and get better production on a rather extensive basis.

 

And from within the position........Shady has to come off the field on third and short and near the goal line.

 

That's a significant issue..........less significant when you have the league's best short yardage and goal line guy in MG.......but without?

 

Third down is the money down and scoring RZ touchdown % is so important you simply can't ignore a RB's weakness in that area when determining his status.

 

Hopefully Jon Williams proves to be the physical short yardage/RZ guy that MG was but I expect that without MG Shady is set up to look bad because he will be used for things he's not good at.

 

Don't worry, they're not looking for Shady to be a goal-line RB. They're just looking for him to be top-5 in rushing yards and TD's again outside the goal-line area.

 

As for MG, he's on his 3rd week of missing time with a hamstring injury. All at the advanced age of 26 with just 3 years, most of them abbreviated, in the NFL.

 

Well the 5th year option wasn't $ 20M. He may have said he wouldn't re sign but none of his comments after it wasn't picked up would support that statement. If I recall, he said if he performed up to his abilities he would get what he deserved ( said this in LA as well) and that his job was to be a Buffalo Bill for life. We will see. I doubt he re-signs with the Rams before the season is up unless they give him boxcar #s. I'm don't see why he would, anyway.

 

My bad. It was $13.26M.

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...so what would that offer be bud?.....and what would it be based on?.....and WHO would offer?....just curious......

If Watkins could be had for a 2, I'll say 3rd or maybe 4th rounder

 

Its based on the events leading up to now, including the good play of rookie/most NFL ready/ Peterman(IMO)

 

As far as who, probably someonne wanting to make a Championship push and want insurance at the QB position.

 

All pure speculation on my part of course...

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There is no team that is one running back away from the Super Bowl. So I don't see a big market out there for Shady. Like I said 2 mid round picks from a team like Green Bay or The Redskins is the return that makes sense to me. Contending teams that lack punch at the running back position might be willing to part with a 2018 4th and a 2019 5th to try and get 2 elite years out of Shady.

 

Why bother !@#$ing up your season just for some fairly meaningless mid round picks. The only trade I see out there for Tyrod that would net an actual return would be if a contending team with a similar QB type (Seattle and Carolina come to mind) suffered a devastating injury at QB and they offered a similar haul to what the Eagles got for Sam Bradford.

 

So if Cam Newton or Russell Wilson suffered a major injury I could see those teams willing to give up a 1st in 2018 plus 2 mid round picks for Tyrod. At that point I think you would have to consider it but that's an unlikely scenario.

 

....so is that worth pulling the trigger for?....does that typify that you mail it in today because out year pick(s) will solve the answer?......I'd rather let Shady run wild in 2017 and see what Dennison can do with TT in his "make it or break it year" versus rolling over for allegedly "later years".............

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my cousin in Tampa said there are a lot of rumors about Shady going there. i've also heard Baltimore and Philly are interested. the Bills aren't entertaining offers...until they get an offer they can't refuse! they also weren't looking to trade Sammy either supposedly. where there is smoke there is fire. i wonder what the offer is that Beane is holding out for? man i wish we were able to be a fly on the wall during those discussions!! i'd do it for a 1st in a second, maybe a 2nd and a player depending on who the team is and how high they are picking

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my cousin in Tampa said there are a lot of rumors about Shady going there. i've also heard Baltimore and Philly are interested. the Bills aren't entertaining offers...until they get an offer they can't refuse! they also weren't looking to trade Sammy either supposedly. where there is smoke there is fire. i wonder what the offer is that Beane is holding out for? man i wish we were able to be a fly on the wall during those discussions!! i'd do it for a 1st in a second, maybe a 2nd and a player depending on who the team is and how high they are picking

Or, as it seems, it all goes back to that one Evan Silva tweet and wishful thinking from other fanbases stemming from a misunderstanding of the Watkins/Darby trades (a couple articles i read listed them as solely trades for picks), and an essential disrespect for the Bills.

 

If they could somehow get a first, or a second and a worthwhile player, I'd still hate it, but I'd stomach it. It's putting a lot of stock in one draft class, though. Also, I don't think this is what Beane or McDermott is trying to do. The infamous trades hint at an attempt to compete (whether you think this is futile is up to you) while building for the future.

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Or, as it seems, it all goes back to that one Evan Silva tweet and wishful thinking from other fanbases stemming from a misunderstanding of the Watkins/Darby trades (a couple articles i read listed them as solely trades for picks), and an essential disrespect for the Bills.

 

If they could somehow get a first, or a second and a worthwhile player, I'd still hate it, but I'd stomach it. It's putting a lot of stock in one draft class, though. Also, I don't think this is what Beane or McDermott is trying to do. The infamous trades hint at an attempt to compete (whether you think this is futile is up to you) while building for the future.

McBeane is building a team to compete in 2-3 years. a high paid 32 year old Shady is not part of their plans. it does make sense to cut ties now and get something rather than cutting him later on down the road

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I'm not sure starting Peterman would be looked at as a tank move.

 

Oh gawd... seriously?!

 

Fig... c'mon man. If we trade McCoy and Taylor (which I absolutely think is possible), it's pretty obvious we're going nowhere and we're setting the team up for the best possible draft pick in 2018.

 

AKA: Tanking

26CornerBlitz Hall of Famer

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Oh gawd... seriously?!

 

Fig... c'mon man. If we trade McCoy and Taylor (which I absolutely think is possible), it's pretty obvious we're going nowhere and we're setting the team up for the best possible draft pick in 2018.

 

AKA: Tanking

 

McDermott: "Gee Kyle, Richie, Eric, and Lorenzo.....I swear we're still trying to win this season. No seriously.....stop laughing".

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Oh gawd... seriously?!

 

Fig... c'mon man. If we trade McCoy and Taylor (which I absolutely think is possible), it's pretty obvious we're going nowhere and we're setting the team up for the best possible draft pick in 2018.

 

AKA: Tanking

i think it's more about rebuilding with young cheap players. McBeane wants a bunch of good players on their rookie deals that fit the system, not older expensive guys that aren't "their guy"

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