Kemp Posted August 19, 2017 Posted August 19, 2017 Keep it because the it will never stop. The left is never happy Neither side is ever happy.
dwight in philly Posted August 19, 2017 Posted August 19, 2017 I don't understand your comment. Are you saying NFL players should be punished for not standing during the anthem because someone wore pig socks? not at all.. nice deflection though.. kaepernick wore pig socks totally disrespecting law enforcement.. other kneeler players have stated their beef was against law enforcement, not the military
Sig1Hunter Posted August 19, 2017 Posted August 19, 2017 Why does anyone care if a player doesn't want to stand during the national anthem? If no one complained, it wouldn't be an issue. Why does Person B have to acquiesce to the desires of Person A? It's always been my understanding that one of the hallmarks of freedom is the ability to protest without fear of any form of punishment. If we start to prosecute those who protest, we'll be the same as the countries we claim to despise for the lack of their freedoms. People get more bent out of shape by a player taking a knee during the anthem than a player who beats the piss out of a woman. That is unbelievably strange to me. Who is talking about punishing / prosecuting them? They have a right to express their views, I have a right to express my view that they are overpaid, coddled babies who only have the "platform" that they have because they can play a game well - not because of anything that they have actually sacrificed for the betterment of society.
leonbus23 Posted August 19, 2017 Posted August 19, 2017 Seriously though: http://profootballspot.com/buffalo-has-history-of-tolerance/
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted August 19, 2017 Posted August 19, 2017 I don't understand your comment. Are you saying NFL players should be punished for not standing during the anthem because someone wore pig socks? do you think any one of us poor working slobs would keep our jobs if we used our company's name as a bully pulpit to voice our views??.....
GoBills808 Posted August 19, 2017 Posted August 19, 2017 do you think any one of us poor working slobs would keep our jobs if we used our company's name as a bully pulpit to voice our views??..... Bit of a difference. He's an employee expressing his constitutionally protected view, not claiming the to represent the views of the NFL. If you did the same as an employee, you'd have recourse if it resulted in your termination.
Kemp Posted August 19, 2017 Posted August 19, 2017 not at all.. nice deflection though.. kaepernick wore pig socks totally disrespecting law enforcement.. other kneeler players have stated their beef was against law enforcement, not the military Not a deflection. I didn't know what you were talking about. So, no players have expressed hatred of the military and especially veterans, as was claimed earlier? I'm not black, but I can understand how a black man in America might have an issue with cops, considering that cell phone videos have proven that some of their allegations, which I used to dismiss, have turned out to be true. How many cases of planted evidence and black men being shot for no reason does it take to think they might have a reason to not like cops? There have been two planted evidence videos in just the last two weeks. If a cop did that to you or a member of your family, you might have a problem with them, too. Anyway, none of this has anything to do with dishonoring veterans. That IS a strawman argument. do you think any one of us poor working slobs would keep our jobs if we used our company's name as a bully pulpit to voice our views??..... Money is the real issue. Kapaernick is of little value to a football team. If Brady did it, I don't think New England would have released him.
dwight in philly Posted August 19, 2017 Posted August 19, 2017 Not a deflection. I didn't know what you were talking about. So, no players have expressed hatred of the military and especially veterans, as was claimed earlier? I'm not black, but I can understand how a black man in America might have an issue with cops, considering that cell phone videos have proven that some of their allegations, which I used to dismiss, have turned out to be true. How many cases of planted evidence and black men being shot for no reason does it take to think they might have a reason to not like cops? There have been two planted evidence videos in just the last two weeks. If a cop did that to you or a member of your family, you might have a problem with them, too. Anyway, none of this has anything to do with dishonoring veterans. That IS a strawman argument. ok i am done.. when in "doubt" play the race card.. finished..
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted August 19, 2017 Posted August 19, 2017 Bit of a difference. He's an employee expressing his constitutionally protected view, not claiming the to represent the views of the NFL. If you did the same as an employee, you'd have recourse if it resulted in your termination. ...sure the recourse issue is there....various states' Human Rights Divisions would be all over it as would an Federal EEOC claim....BUT...we would NEVER get national notoriety and our claims probably are quietly dismissed without such notoriety IMO.......... ...
Sig1Hunter Posted August 19, 2017 Posted August 19, 2017 Not a deflection. I didn't know what you were talking about. So, no players have expressed hatred of the military and especially veterans, as was claimed earlier? I'm not black, but I can understand how a black man in America might have an issue with cops, considering that cell phone videos have proven that some of their allegations, which I used to dismiss, have turned out to be true. How many cases of planted evidence and black men being shot for no reason does it take to think they might have a reason to not like cops? There have been two planted evidence videos in just the last two weeks. If a cop did that to you or a member of your family, you might have a problem with them, too. Anyway, none of this has anything to do with dishonoring veterans. That IS a strawman argument. At the risk of expediting this threads trip off of the main board, this is the exact issue. Where are all of these cases of "black men being shot (by cops) for no reason"? I'll be waiting patiently for these cases. Meanwhile, I will think on all of my brothers and sisters in blue who were shot for no reason - two of which happened last night. Shot and killed because of the uniform that they wore.
GoBills808 Posted August 19, 2017 Posted August 19, 2017 ...sure the recourse issue is there....various states' Human Rights Divisions would be all over it as would an Federal EEOC claim....BUT...we would NEVER get national notoriety and our claims probably are quietly dismissed without such notoriety IMO.......... ... Yep. But I would also think that, as Americans, we'd be lining up to defend the rights of a young man who's chosen to jeopardize his career in constitutionally protected nonviolent support of a cause he believes in, regardless of how misguided we may feel his beliefs are.
xsoldier54 Posted August 19, 2017 Posted August 19, 2017 "In God We Trust" should be out as it is clearly against the 1st amendment, or are you against the constitution? All this God stuff didn't happen until the 1950s as propaganda against Communists. The Confederacy lost and tried to fight for states rights for slaves. Read a book and learn about it if you want, don't flaunt it in front of people. I'm from the north and have never seen a confederate statue up here and know plenty about the Civil War, including Robert Lee being against Confederate statues. Also, the pledge of allegiance was written by a socialist, just so you know. You are so wrong it's not even funny. The phrase "In God We Trust" does not violate the 1st amendment. You might want to read it and understand it's intent. "The First Amendment (Amendment I) to the United States Constitution prohibits the making of any law respecting an establishment of religion, ensuring that there is no prohibition on the free exercise of religion, abridging the freedom of speech, infringing on the freedom of the press, interfering with the right to peaceably assemble, or prohibiting the petitioning for a governmental redress of grievances. It was adopted on December 15, 1791, as one of the ten amendments that constitute the Bill of Rights." That phrase does not vioate any part of the 1st amendment. In fact it is protected by it.
Kemp Posted August 19, 2017 Posted August 19, 2017 At the risk of expediting this threads trip off of the main board, this is the exact issue. Where are all of these cases of "black men being shot (by cops) for no reason"? I'll be waiting patiently for these cases. Meanwhile, I will think on all of my brothers and sisters in blue who were shot for no reason - two of which happened last night. Shot and killed because of the uniform that they wore. I am a big supporter of cops, in general, but I don't like the culture that a "good cop" won't "rat out" a "bad cop". It hurts all of them. I don't envy the positions cops are put in every day. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/video/news/video-1173602/GRAPHIC-Charleston-cop-fatally-shoots-man-runs-away.html
xsoldier54 Posted August 19, 2017 Posted August 19, 2017 Why does anyone care if a player doesn't want to stand during the national anthem? If no one complained, it wouldn't be an issue. Why does Person B have to acquiesce to the desires of Person A? It's always been my understanding that one of the hallmarks of freedom is the ability to protest without fear of any form of punishment. If we start to prosecute those who protest, we'll be the same as the countries we claim to despise for the lack of their freedoms. People get more bent out of shape by a player taking a knee during the anthem than a player who beats the piss out of a woman. That is unbelievably strange to me. Nobody is espousing that we prosecute players that protest. Just as they have the right to protest, we have the right not to like it or to respect them. It's not just anything goes in America. The National anthem is played as a patriotic symbol of freedom. The very freedom that they are exercising by refusing to stand for it. They can do as they please by law and we as fans can not like their actions or respect them as people.
Kemp Posted August 19, 2017 Posted August 19, 2017 ok i am done.. when in "doubt" play the race card.. finished.. You didn't understand that this was a race issue? I'm not sure if that's sad or funny.
zonabb Posted August 19, 2017 Posted August 19, 2017 Absolutely. The anthem has no place before a sporting event. When was the last time you started your work day when you, your boss, and fellow employees stood for the anthem? Where else, outside of school, does it take place in daily life. It's a joke that it's even played. Fly a flag at your own house, recipe the anthem on your own time, leaeve sports to sports. It's basically forced adherence to something many find hypocritical.
Kemp Posted August 19, 2017 Posted August 19, 2017 Nobody is espousing that we prosecute players that protest. Just as they have the right to protest, we have the right not to like it or to respect them. It's not just anything goes in America. The National anthem is played as a patriotic symbol of freedom. The very freedom that they are exercising by refusing to stand for it. They can do as they please by law and we as fans can not like their actions or respect them as people. You're right and I shouldn't have used the word prosecute. It should be punished, instead.
Big C Posted August 19, 2017 Posted August 19, 2017 (edited) At this point it's more tradition than anything. But if Metallica can perform their own interpretation of the anthem, then players can listen to the anthem however they want. Standing, sitting, I don't care. I would wager for many performers it's feigned patrioticism for more publicity. Hell, even half the audience doesn't really care about the anthem. Look around. People talking, getting concessions, etc. Meanwhile at international soccer events I see other countries belt their anthems with far more passion. It's fine to have the anthem before the game as tradition, but it's overuse has undoubtedly marginalized its sanctity. For all the fuss we give players sitting or taking a knee, I think we should note that they are still silent and respectful of those who do take the anthem seriously. Edited August 19, 2017 by Big C
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