Big Gun Posted August 18, 2017 Posted August 18, 2017 The stats do not back you up. he's a low end starter and a very good backup. 47 TDs, 15 turnovers, 1000 yards rushing and the Bills are 15-14 when he plays-that is not bad.Don't know what you have been watching. Not a franchise talent, but you can win with him with a good team around him-and yes-even the franchise talents need a good team around them to win. OMG
Rockpile233 Posted August 18, 2017 Posted August 18, 2017 He's been in the league for 7 years. We already know what he is...much better than last night (the line was soooo bad), but still lacking in areas. He's an average guy. I think many of us want better and know we need better.
Mark Vader Posted August 18, 2017 Posted August 18, 2017 It's preseason. The SB Bills used to lose preseason games all the time. We've seen EJ look awesome in preseason performances. Preseason doesn't mean squat. I'm not defending Taylor. I just don't think you can judge him on a partial preseason performance. I expect TT to play the regular season this season a lot like last regular season. Maybe a bit better because he has an OC who understands the passing game a little better. Maybe a little worse if the pass protection doesn't gel. I agree with you hondo. I'm not going to defend Tyrod for last night's game. He played poorly, and so did most of the offense. We need Jordan Matthews back as soon as possible, because he needs to be our #1 WR, and he needs to work more with Tyrod. I do not want to see Vlad Ducasse on this team, I've seen enough. And I don't want to see Anquan Boldin lining up wide, ever again.
ROONDOGG55 Posted August 18, 2017 Posted August 18, 2017 He seriously needs to get that ball out on time. The dude is a mobile QB who has a horrible time breaking down a defense when he is that close to the line. He took a three step drop several times and just stood there. I hope he goes back to watch the film and the light pops on because that was about as bad as I've seen from him since he's been here. The best part about this crappy showing is that the coaches can either look at this to improve or throw away all pocket passing plays with a three step drop. If they want quick passes they need to put him in the gun or pistol. Maybe swing passes with the 3 step drop but that's it! The dude is so far away from NFL pocket passer it's not even funny. The OC needs to stop trying to put him in that situation and trying to mold the player around the scheme. He needs to mold the scheme around the player.
Do The Reich Thing Posted August 18, 2017 Author Posted August 18, 2017 Hey, I thought I had cornered the market on Frank Reich puns! lolll +1
John from Riverside Posted August 18, 2017 Posted August 18, 2017 As a TT supporter I am having a hard time finding excuses for that performance Just keeping it real
Bangarang Posted August 18, 2017 Posted August 18, 2017 (edited) I don't think it matters if you produce in week 2 of the preseason. At least it shouldn't matter. You're right, It doesn't matter to a degree. It's more of a general point about the way things typically work in the NFL. Edited August 18, 2017 by Bangarang
GunnerBill Posted August 18, 2017 Posted August 18, 2017 If Tyrod stinks it up like he did last night in the regular season, it is very likely going to be because of a really, really bad offensive line. No. It is very likely going to be because he can't execute a timing based WCO. It is too formulaic, too system centric for someone who is an unconventional talent like Tyrod.
LABILLBACKER Posted August 18, 2017 Posted August 18, 2017 I'm not a Taylor supporter though I root like hell for the guy......but, in his defense, the o-line was absolutely putrid last night contributing to his awful performance. Those few times he did have ample time he didn't look good. Not a good night for him.
Do The Reich Thing Posted August 18, 2017 Author Posted August 18, 2017 I think we should wait till the actual regular season to verbally crucify this man. If he looks like this in week 1 against the Jets and we lose... OK, maybe time to scratch our heads. I will tell you one thing that Tyrod is literally busting his butt everyday to get better. This man will not fail by lack of dedication or desire.
Bills Pimpin' Posted August 18, 2017 Posted August 18, 2017 (edited) TT is only an adequate QB if he rushes for 75 yards and doesn't turn the ball over. If those 2 things happen a team can realistically win 10 games with him running the offense. But Peterman, in my opinion, made 2 or 3 throws last night that I have never seen TT throw and I simply do not think he is capable of at his talent level. It was very apparent to me and probably most after watching Peterman, with many of the same players at his disposal that TT had and within the same 30 minutes or so that he was the better NFL quarterback last night. TT will not be on this team after this year. How the coaches handle it this year will be very interesting for sure. Edited August 18, 2017 by Bills Pimpin'
Bangarang Posted August 18, 2017 Posted August 18, 2017 Why the anger? That's not proving a point. that is called being fair. unless you kind of know Peterman will probably struggle with the injuries, playing against first string defenses. He plays the same system, same players that TT did last night. Only way that is fair. There is no anger. You have serious ulterior motives whether you admit it or not. You want Peterman to not have Matthews or Glenn so you can puff your chest and point at people if he doesn't play well. You and I both know that's the case here. You're expecting him to play bad under those circumstances and you're probably not wrong there. But you wanting to handicap him just to prove a point is ridiculous.
GunnerBill Posted August 18, 2017 Posted August 18, 2017 I will tell you one thing that Tyrod is literally busting his butt everyday to get better. This man will not fail by lack of dedication or desire. Nobody should ever doubt him in this score. He cares and even last night you could see his frustration with others and himself. He wants to master this offense. The question is - can he?
HumbleAndHungry Posted August 18, 2017 Posted August 18, 2017 (edited) Everyone can concede that the chance of Tyrod being here next year is extremely unlikely. The most dangerous part of Tyrod's game is his mediocrity. My biggest fear is that his final parting gift will be a .500 record. Not only will this lead to a lower first round draft pick, but it will sacrifice an additional first rounder and second rounder at least if we intend to move up to get a franchise quarterback. So we sacrifice half of our haul of picks for the sake of being "competitive" for the 17th year? I'd rather use one 1st rounder on a qb and use the additional 1st and 2nds and 3rds to build a solid foundation of young talent. If that means starting peterman then so be it. At least you can evaluate a player that is part of the "future" in the process and under the highly remote possibility Peterman could be the answer, look at all the ammo you have to build around him. Either scenario is a win win . Edited August 18, 2017 by Finkle Is Einhorn
LABILLBACKER Posted August 18, 2017 Posted August 18, 2017 (edited) This is where I stand. He just saw his best wr get shipped to LA. Sammy's so called replacement gets injured immediately. The o-line last night was embarrassing. TT's better than what we've seen these first 2 weeks of preseason. Obviously he's not a franchise QB but he's much better than that debacle we saw last night. Peterman is only going to improve each week. Edited August 18, 2017 by LABILLBACKER
Bills Pimpin' Posted August 18, 2017 Posted August 18, 2017 Everyone can concede that the chance of Tyrod being here next year is extremely unlikely. The most dangerous part of Tyrod's game is his mediocrity. My biggest fear is that his final parting gift will be a .500 record. Not only will this lead to a lower first round draft pick, but it will sacrifice an additional first rounder and second rounder at least if we intend to move up to get a franchise quarterback. So we sacrifice half of our haul of picks for the sake of being "competitive" for the 17th year? I'd rather use one 1st rounder on a qb and use the additional 1st and 2nds and 3rds to build a solid foundation of young talent. I agree with this but from the looks of the defense so far, I think this team can win 7-8 games with any QB on the roster.
PolishDave Posted August 18, 2017 Posted August 18, 2017 No. It is very likely going to be because he can't execute a timing based WCO. It is too formulaic, too system centric for someone who is an unconventional talent like Tyrod. If his pocket doesn't break down, I have little doubt that Tyrod will execute the timing passes just fine. The rust will wear off with more and more reps with these new receivers. Tyrod is a much better passer than he is given credit for. I don't think he makes after snap progressions quickly - but I don't think he will be asked to do that. He can throw a quick slant with precision as well as any starter not named Brady. And if for some reason he can't and fails at the timing passes well then....only an idiot coach would force a guy to keep trying to do something he has proven he can't do. A smart coach who wants to win would move away from those plays and run plays that he has full confidence in the QB executing - Or he replaces that QB - But that is assuming the replacement QB actually does execute those plays at a higher level than the guy he is replacing. And I question that.
NewEraBills Posted August 18, 2017 Posted August 18, 2017 Taylor made a couple of good throws and did manage to move the team into FG range. I like Peterman's decision-making and settling for what the defense gives. Peterman's quick decision-making might be better for this type of offense. In either case, the OL is just terrible for whoever is behind Center. Peterman's quick-decision making can alleviate it somewhat but then teams will start sitting in cover 2 to stop the quick stuff and that's when you need the down-field passing. You see some positives but they are enshrouded with the penalties; turnstile offensive tackles. Wood got pushed back into the QB at least twice. Once by Cox and the other time by the backup DT. Juan Castillo should be on the damn hot seat. Way too many damn penalties by the OL AND it makes no sense for Tackles to be this damn bad. But as I said when he was announced things are going to get ugly. I saw this guy make Marshall Yanda, Kelechi Osemele look really bad.
GunnerBill Posted August 18, 2017 Posted August 18, 2017 If his pocket doesn't break down, I have little doubt that Tyrod will execute the timing passes just fine. The rust will wear off with more and more reps with these new receivers. Tyrod is a much better passer than he is given credit for. I don't think he makes after snap progressions quickly - but I don't think he will be asked to do that. He can throw a quick slant with precision as well as any starter not named Brady. And if for some reason he can't and fails at the timing passes well then....only an idiot coach would force a guy to keep trying to do something he has proven he can't do. A smart coach who wants to win would move away from those plays and run plays that he has full confidence in the QB executing - Or he replaces that QB - But that is assuming the replacement QB actually does execute those plays at a higher level than the guy he is replacing. And I question that. I disagree with the first paragraph. I agree with para's 2 and 3.
Bills Pimpin' Posted August 18, 2017 Posted August 18, 2017 If the decision to move away from Taylor at the end of this year has been made, which I can not imagine is not the case, than the decision who to start will not be based on wins and losses. It will be based on this regimes philosophy on how to evaluate and improve the young offensive talent on this team both at the QB position and other positions.
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