JinxedBill1 Posted August 17, 2017 Posted August 17, 2017 I believe the culture thing is something to promote so long it's not all faith based. I get the vibe somewhat that there is some religious undertones here with the staff. This is fine so long as the staff and players are pushing faith in themselves and the system. In the military we call it resilience. Culture should be changed to breed hard work, attention to detail, and a drive to do what it takes to win above all else.
eball Posted August 17, 2017 Posted August 17, 2017 I generally agree. Although I would say coaching aligns closely with culture. The coach defines the culture, which is why it does make sense to let the coach choose the GM.
Magox Posted August 17, 2017 Posted August 17, 2017 So when Buffalo shut out NE 19-0 was that because of a lapse in culture or a massive talent downgrade. You can judge them based off of that one game, I will judge them in totality.
CountDorkula Posted August 17, 2017 Author Posted August 17, 2017 Did the Colts change culture or did they draft Peyton Manning The Pats - Culture or Tom brady Packers - Brett Favre, Aaron Rodgers or Culture Steelers - Big Ben or Culture Pittsburgh Pengunis - Crosby, Malkin or Culture Edmonton Oilers - Connor McDavid or Culture. Chicago Blackhawks - Kane Toews or Culture Yankees - Culture or top level talent. Cubs - Culture or talent Tthe bills and browns - Culture or a lack of a competent QB? The minute you find the talent is when you "Find the culture" "Culture" is the most overrated thing in sports "Bad culture" stems from bad talent.
Magox Posted August 17, 2017 Posted August 17, 2017 You can't be serious with this. He is, which of course is asinine.
CountDorkula Posted August 17, 2017 Author Posted August 17, 2017 You can judge them based off of that one game, I will judge them in totality. They beat a bad Cardinals team on a missed FG. They beat Brock Oeisweiler. You can tell me with a straight face that if the Pats played the Steelers and Seahawks in that stretch instead they would have won all three games?
HumbleAndHungry Posted August 17, 2017 Posted August 17, 2017 I believe in a franchise quarterback . Give me that over "culture" any day
D. L. Hot-Flamethrower Posted August 17, 2017 Posted August 17, 2017 (edited) I think people misinterpret what culture is, mostly everything being positive, people loving each other and singing Kumbaya. To me it means a lot of things such as: collective trust in what you're doing being one of the more important aspects. Thus the establishment of group norms becomes much easier to institute and practice with collective trust like the Patriots have. Edited August 17, 2017 by horned dogs
CountDorkula Posted August 17, 2017 Author Posted August 17, 2017 You can't be serious with this. I am.
LeGOATski Posted August 17, 2017 Posted August 17, 2017 Stafford, Rivers, McNabb, Marino...etc. Tons of other great QBs that never win anything. Why? Culture? Like I said. There's tons of talent in the NFL, but the winning teams have that little extra something. It's culture. (Or in the Pats' case...cheating)
CountDorkula Posted August 17, 2017 Author Posted August 17, 2017 He is, which of course is asinine. is it. how many Head Coaches have the Bills had in the last 20 years that talked about changing the culture of this team. how many have failed to do so? Why is that? They don't have the talent at the QB position.
26CornerBlitz Posted August 17, 2017 Posted August 17, 2017 I think they have a lot of good players on their team, but outside of Brady, they aren't quote unquote "stars". They turn decent players from other teams to good players when they are plugged in to their system. ie their slot WR's. They have good solid defensive players, but they aren't "stars". We can quibble over what the word "star" entails, but the point is that outside of Brady, they aren't star studded like some other successful franchises Gronkowski, for one, is an huge star and already one of the greatest TEs in NFL history. They have had many excellent players throughout the entirety of this current run. Ty Law and Richard Seymour immediately come to mind on defense.
CountDorkula Posted August 17, 2017 Author Posted August 17, 2017 I believe in a franchise quarterback . Give me that over "culture" any day Bingo.
Nostradumbass Posted August 17, 2017 Posted August 17, 2017 Did the Colts change culture or did they draft Peyton Manning The Pats - Culture or Tom brady Packers - Brett Favre, Aaron Rodgers or Culture Steelers - Big Ben or Culture Pittsburgh Pengunis - Crosby, Malkin or Culture Edmonton Oilers - Connor McDavid or Culture. Chicago Blackhawks - Kane Toews or Culture Yankees - Culture or top level talent. Cubs - Culture or talent Tthe bills and browns - Culture or a lack of a competent QB? The minute you find the talent is when you "Find the culture" "Culture" is the most overrated thing in sports "Bad culture" stems from bad talent. This I can find several examples of great teams bad cultures and surprisingly few great cultures but bad teams Changing culture is coach code for "Everything get done my way"
Magox Posted August 17, 2017 Posted August 17, 2017 Gronkowski, for one, is an huge star and already one of the greatest TEs in NFL history. They have had many excellent players throughout the entirety of this current run. Ty Law and Richard Seymour immediately come to mind on defense. Yes, they've had a number of good players. But rarely where they ever a team that was "star studded".
clayboy54 Posted August 17, 2017 Posted August 17, 2017 Interestingly, part of the "culture" comes from outside of the team. I know that players and coaches say they don't read the news, but they're out in public and experience the community mindset. They can't help but feel the culture of losing from our community. Remember the "lovable losers?" As a WNY ex-pat, it is clear to me that the way of life in WNY is to accept being second best. Buffalo has always been second to NYC. When the NFL expanded in the 50s, teams from the old AAC like Cleveland and San Francisco got into the NFL. Buffalo was left out. When Branch Rickey's Continental Baseball League was to become the third major league in 1959, Buffalo was chosen, but we know how that turned out. Again, Buffalo was left out. When MLB expanded in 1968, Buffalo again was chosen, then somehow we ended up as the Montreal Expos. I still don't understand how that happened. But yet again, Buffalo was on the outside looking in. And finally, how about those four consecutive Super Bowl losses. People from all over the world still bring that up when you mention Buffalo. We're always second best, or left out. Whether it's the local government or the sports teams. WNYers have always been left playing second fiddle. We were all born and raised that way, and it's not going to change. Unless the Bills can find another ultra-self-confident leader, like Jim Kelly was when he got to Buffalo, that community "second best" culture will always be present in the locker room.
26CornerBlitz Posted August 17, 2017 Posted August 17, 2017 Yes, they've had a number of good players. But rarely where they ever a team that was "star studded". Franchise QB, great coach, and other advantages (AKA cheating) means they didn't have to be "star studded".
oldmanfan Posted August 17, 2017 Posted August 17, 2017 Did the Colts change culture or did they draft Peyton Manning The Pats - Culture or Tom brady Packers - Brett Favre, Aaron Rodgers or Culture Steelers - Big Ben or Culture Pittsburgh Pengunis - Crosby, Malkin or Culture Edmonton Oilers - Connor McDavid or Culture. Chicago Blackhawks - Kane Toews or Culture Yankees - Culture or top level talent. Cubs - Culture or talent Tthe bills and browns - Culture or a lack of a competent QB? The minute you find the talent is when you "Find the culture" "Culture" is the most overrated thing in sports "Bad culture" stems from bad talent. . All of them have or had culture. You think Manning or Brady didn't establish culture? You have no idea what you're talking about.
DaBillsFanSince1973 Posted August 17, 2017 Posted August 17, 2017 I'd have to question those who voted no so far...?
Magox Posted August 17, 2017 Posted August 17, 2017 This is not a black or white formula. If you have a franchise QB, this increases the odds of winning a superbowl. If you have a top organization and coach, then this increases the odds of winning a superbowl. Rarely can a team win the superbowl without either. It happens, Ravens, TampaBay, 90's Redskins and 90's Giants come to mind. If you ask me would I rather have a franchise QB or a top notch organization and coach? That would be tough. I suppose I'd go with the top notch organization and coach because that would entail drafting and coaching a talented team and translating that into wins. But that isn't the poll question. The poll question is whether or not you believe in "Building a winning culture". I don't know what person in their right mind could possibly say that this doesn't exist. Of course it's a thing, it's a thing with small companies, corporations, highschool and college sports, all star regional teams. A winning culture is a thing, I've been part of them from both an amateur and in business. It's format, repetition, execution, training, support and a general vibe of winning that reverberates within the organization. Franchise QB, great coach, and other advantages (AKA cheating) means they didn't have to be "star studded". You and I are going to have to agree to disagree with what "star studded" means. You believe that they have been and I don't.
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