Thurmal34 Posted August 18, 2017 Posted August 18, 2017 No, thats dictatorship, the governmental system best suited to pair up with the economic system of communism. Neither is a system worth pursuing. Get out of your box and try free thinking. It works, it really does. And really, didn't we already cover genocide? If you want cite death tolls, the best place to start is at home.
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted August 18, 2017 Posted August 18, 2017 No, thats dictatorship, the governmental system best suited to pair up with the economic system of communism. Neither is a system worth pursuing. Get out of your box and try free thinking. It works, it really does. And really, didn't we already cover genocide? If you want cite death tolls, the best place to start is at home. Wow. If you think we've even touched the death tolls of places like the soviet union and communist china then all i can say is.... There's free thinking and then there's being an idiot. You've clearly crossed that line.
Thurmal34 Posted August 18, 2017 Posted August 18, 2017 Wow. If you think we've even touched the death tolls of places like the soviet union and communist china then all i can say is.... There's free thinking and then there's being an idiot. You've clearly crossed that line. I'm not going to call names. I'll just point out that we wiped out an entire race of people and enslaved another as we expanded west. If you want to hang your hat on that we wiped out less people than other countries did, then I say go for it! Be proud of that! Celebrate it!
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted August 18, 2017 Posted August 18, 2017 I'm not going to call names. I'll just point out that we wiped out an entire race of people and enslaved another as we expanded west. If you want to hang your hat on that we wiped out less people than other countries did, then I say go for it! Be proud of that! Celebrate it! And we also created a society where people can speak their minds, do what they wish, and one that prevented all of humanity from being enslaved to both communism AND fascism. There is no moral relativism. We are better. The west, led by US has created a better world than the one that came before it. Period.
Thurmal34 Posted August 18, 2017 Posted August 18, 2017 And we also created a society where people can speak their minds, do what they wish, and one that prevented all of humanity from being enslaved to both communism AND fascism. There is no moral relativism. We are better. The west, led by US has created a better world than the one that came before it. Period. Yes!! Exactly, well done. That said, there is ALWAYS moral relativism when it comes to fascism. Always.
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted August 18, 2017 Posted August 18, 2017 Yes!! Exactly, well done. That said, there is ALWAYS moral relativism when it comes to fascism. Always. No, there's not. Any system that's not democracy is bad. Since communism can't exist within the framework of liberal democracy it's JUST as evil as fascism.
Thurmal34 Posted August 18, 2017 Posted August 18, 2017 Oy. We don't have a democracy, we have a republic. Come on, man.
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted August 18, 2017 Posted August 18, 2017 Oy. We don't have a democracy, we have a republic. Come on, man. We have a democratic republic. If you're going to tell me that fasicsm is worse than communism, I'm going to disagree with you every single time. All the time. All day and twice on sunday. If you're more afraid of a couple hundred toothless rednecks that aren't even REALLY fascists than you are of thousands of violent, riotous communist thugs, then I have no idea what to say to you. For perspective: how many marches do you see put on by the inbreds versus how many riots and violent protests do you see put on by Antifa?
Thurmal34 Posted August 18, 2017 Posted August 18, 2017 We have a democratic republic. If you're going to tell me that fasicsm is worse than communism, I'm going to disagree with you every single time. All the time. All day and twice on sunday. If you're more afraid of a couple hundred toothless rednecks that aren't even REALLY fascists than you are of thousands of violent, riotous communist thugs, then I have no idea what to say to you. For perspective: how many marches do you see put on by the inbreds versus how many riots and violent protests do you see put on by Antifa? Comparing communism to fascism is like comparing capitalism to dictatorship. They aren't the same thing. I've tried to explain this to you but I guess I'm not doing a very good job. Is there some other method I can use to help you understand the difference between an economic system and a form of goverment? Does antifa stand for "anti-fascist"?
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted August 18, 2017 Posted August 18, 2017 Comparing communism to fascism is like comparing capitalism to dictatorship. They aren't the same thing. I've tried to explain this to you but I guess I'm not doing a very good job. Is there some other method I can use to help you understand the difference between an economic system and a form of goverment? Does antifa stand for "anti-fascist"? Fascism is also an economic system. See: "strength through joy" etc. In a fascist system, the state appropriates private industry to meet the whims of the dictator. The state manages labor allocation. So, no there's nothing you can do to help me understand, because YOU don't understand. Yes, it stands for anti-fascist. It does. But what you are seemingly not understanding is it's an organization formed by, and populated by communists. So regardless of what they say they are, they are communists, thugs and criminals. Not heroes.
Thurmal34 Posted August 18, 2017 Posted August 18, 2017 (edited) Welp. My original point was there is only one side that any American can take, and that's being against fascism. However you want to rationalize your feelings and beliefs is up to you. I will stand against fascism until I'm dead. I owe that to my children. Edited August 18, 2017 by Thurmal34
LeviF Posted August 18, 2017 Posted August 18, 2017 I will stand against fascism until I'm dead. I owe that to my children. As well you should. But understand that standing against authoritarianism (of any variety) means that sometimes you're going to hear **** you don't like to hear and even supporting the rights of those you disagree with. It's nuance like that that people can't seem to get.
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted August 18, 2017 Posted August 18, 2017 As well you should. But understand that standing against authoritarianism (of any variety) means that sometimes you're going to hear **** you don't like to hear and even supporting the rights of those you disagree with. It's nuance like that that people can't seem to get. THIS. Welp. My original point was there is only one side that any American can take, and that's being against fascism. However you want to rationalize your feelings and beliefs is up to you. I will stand against fascism until I'm dead. I owe that to my children. It's ok if they're anti-fascist!
DC Tom Posted August 18, 2017 Posted August 18, 2017 So is Fascism. Communism is a totalitarian expression of socialism responsible for the murder of 100m people worldwide in its history. Fascism is a system of government largely independent of economic systems (it can be capitalist or socialist to varying degrees.) Communism is a socio-economic system. Both end up being oppressive in practice because they rely on an assumption of a uniform populace, which ultimately requires some measure of force to achieve. I will stand against fascism until I'm dead. I owe that to my children. I will as well. But I'll do it without becoming a fascist myself.
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted August 18, 2017 Posted August 18, 2017 Fascism is a system of government largely independent of economic systems (it can be capitalist or socialist to varying degrees.) Communism is a socio-economic system. Both end up being oppressive in practice because they rely on an assumption of a uniform populace, which ultimately requires some measure of force to achieve. Was going to say, Hitler's variety (arguably the worst) espoused a good deal of central economic planning, did it not?
Tiberius Posted August 18, 2017 Posted August 18, 2017 Fascism economically is a war economy, pure and simple. Nazis are about killing and enslaving. Some of those fascist in Charlottesville can ready for war including the ones that menaced the synagogue
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted August 18, 2017 Posted August 18, 2017 It's ok, just an economic system. Nothing to fear.
DC Tom Posted August 18, 2017 Posted August 18, 2017 Was going to say, Hitler's variety (arguably the worst) espoused a good deal of central economic planning, did it not? The official points of Nazi policy were extremely socialist. When in power, they toned it down a lot, but major tenets of policy as implemented were still very socialist: central control of the means and distribution of economic production, unionization of workers (idiots like to point out "But the Nazis broke the labor unions!" - they broke the independent unions and enrolled all the workers into their own Deutsche Arbeitsfront), and a slew of social programs - some goofy like Lebensborn, many not. It's ok, just an economic system. Nothing to fear. Nothing is ever "just" an economic system in practice.
Thurmal34 Posted August 18, 2017 Posted August 18, 2017 As well you should. But understand that standing against authoritarianism (of any variety) means that sometimes you're going to hear **** you don't like to hear and even supporting the rights of those you disagree with. It's nuance like that that people can't seem to get. Yep, agree 100%. All about hearing stuff I don't like, and even listening to it and giving it consideration. However, I also reserve the right to reject it, especially if it's a tenet of superiority based on a particular pigmentation.
DC Tom Posted August 18, 2017 Posted August 18, 2017 Yep, agree 100%. All about hearing stuff I don't like, and even listening to it and giving it consideration. However, I also reserve the right to reject it, especially if it's a tenet of superiority based on a particular pigmentation. No one's arguing you shouldn't reject it. We're arguing that you shouldn't silence it.
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