MAJBobby Posted August 16, 2017 Share Posted August 16, 2017 We shall see. Thanks for not having the slightest of evidence of these alleged character issues. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KellyToughII Posted August 16, 2017 Author Share Posted August 16, 2017 Again show me any proof otherwise it is fake I got it your a Baker Mayfield fan but no need to try and tear down a good QB And i notice Baker Mayfield in your mind doesnt have character issues right. How is that http://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/18764103/oklahoma-sooners-quarterback-baker-mayfield-arrested http://es.pn/2moOf6P Bobby why do you defend this kid? UCLA Fan or just a liberal backing another liberal, or a family member? I mean you post so hard about this kid I cant tell but damn it must be something along those lines. Mayfield, Never said he didn't have an issue, find where I did. I even made fun how how Barry Switzer said his old QB's wouldn't have gotten ran down like Baker did. I don't mind debating, but you seem to be taking Rosen to heart personally, why is that? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BADOLBILZ Posted August 16, 2017 Share Posted August 16, 2017 I think that these guys are going to go the "safe" route on QB. If they are moving on from an adequate starting QB they aren't going to take a boom or bust guy that could end up like EJ. They are going to want a guy that has played in a pro system and has taken a lot of snaps. They will look for a little longer resume and someone with as few questions as possible. Rosen has just felt like that guy. On cue.....I was literally just talking about Darnold and Rosen dodging the 2018 draft the other day. Well.......they can always trade their two 2018 first round picks for more draft equity in 2019 and wait Darnold and Rosen out.........they can run but.......well........they can't play college ball for 5 years......right? I kid.......but the looming reality of $30M QB's is going to be that they are going to start dictating where they play. The Elway and Eli instances of the past are one thing........but Kirk Cousins is the real beginning of this trend. What he is doing would have been UNHEARD of 3-4 years ago. This trend is BAD news for anyone expecting the Bills to acquire an anointed great college QB..........they would be much better served in the long run IMO if they can find their own Russ Wilson-chip-on-shoulder type and develop them. That means what it always means for me........taking lots of shots at QB's. But IMO, Darnold or Rosen agreeing to play in windy, cold, Buffalo for the downtrodden Bills is a resolute NOT LIKELY. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted August 16, 2017 Share Posted August 16, 2017 (edited) Bobby why do you defend this kid? UCLA Fan or just a liberal backing another liberal, or a family member? I mean you post so hard about this kid I cant tell but damn it must be something along those lines. Mayfield, Never said he didn't have an issue, find where I did. I even made fun how how Barry Switzer said his old QB's wouldn't have gotten ran down like Baker did. I don't mind debating, but you seem to be taking Rosen to heart personally, why is that? Because i think it is idiotic to say something that is just not true. This conversation could have been about any QB. It is a weak minded argument the only way to prop the guy you want is to post falsehoods about another. And cool glad you got the good old other weak minded liberal comment in your post On cue.....I was literally just talking about Darnold and Rosen dodging the 2018 draft the other day. Well.......they can always trade their two 2018 first round picks for more draft equity in 2019 and wait Darnold and Rosen out.........they can run but.......well........they can't play college ball for 5 years......right? I kid.......but the looming reality of $30M QB's is going to be that they are going to start dictating where they play. The Elway and Eli instances of the past are one thing........but Kirk Cousins is the real beginning of this trend. What he is doing would have been UNHEARD of 3-4 years ago. This trend is BAD news for anyone expecting the Bills to acquire an anointed great college QB..........they would be much better served in the long run IMO if they can find their own Russ Wilson-chip-on-shoulder type and develop them. That means what it always means for me........taking lots of shots at QB's. But IMO, Darnold or Rosen agreeing to play in windy, cold, Buffalo for the downtrodden Bills is a resolute NOT LIKELY. With all Rosen's comments of NCAA and indentured servitude he isnt going back to college specially once he gets his degree this year Edited August 16, 2017 by MAJBobby Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KellyToughII Posted August 16, 2017 Author Share Posted August 16, 2017 (edited) Because i think it is idiotic to say something that is just not true. This conversation could have been about any QB. It is a weak minded argument the only way to prop the guy you want is to post falsehoods about another. And cool glad you got the good old other weak minded liberal comment in your post Sorry I call BS, he is just some college QB it doesn't matter on a Message board if I said I knew it was fact or not. You are defending someone like you know them personally so something must be there. I like mayfield, I am an OU Fan, but I know the kid has faults. If someone said they thought, allegedly, that he had X issues who cares? Rosen, Etal do not mean spit to us right now, they are just college QB's we are talking about. And if you look at the posts I said Allegedly, I never said I KNEW or it was FACT. But a Fact for you, I don't need to prop up anyone, their work speaks for its self. I don't tear down a guy to build up another and YES rosens Attitude has brought the spotlight on him that too is fact. Edited August 16, 2017 by KellyToughII Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cba fan Posted August 16, 2017 Share Posted August 16, 2017 Rosen is majoring in economics and wants to eventually get an MBA. I could see him staying in. For those exact same reasons I see him coming out in 2018. $$$$$$$ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted August 16, 2017 Share Posted August 16, 2017 Sorry I call BS, he is just some college QB it doesn't matter on a Message board if I said I knew it was fact or not. You are defending someone like you know them personally so something must be there. I like mayfield, I am an OU Fan, but I know the kid has faults. If someone said they thought, allegedly, that he had X issues who cares? Rosen, Etal do not mean spit to us right now, they are just college QB's we are talking about. And if you look at the posts I said Allegedly, I never said I KNEW or it was FACT. But a Fact for you, I don't need to prop up anyone, their work speaks for its self. I don't tear down a guy to build up another and YES rosens Attitude has brought the spotlight on him that too is fact. Calling out the NCAA is what brought the spotlight on him. He is 100% correct by the way. No but just say with all the talk about Character no way Bills draft him. So i asked what character issues and still have yet yo post any. I am not holding my breath though all good Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BADOLBILZ Posted August 16, 2017 Share Posted August 16, 2017 With all Rosen's comments of NCAA and indentured servitude he isnt going back to college specially once he gets his degree this year Either way there is a snowball's chance he'd agree to play for Buffalo. Times are a-changin' Bobby. The NFL wanted to make themselves into a star QB-or-else league and they will have to deal with QB's increasingly dictating terms the way NBA superstars do in a league where there are twice as many teams as superstars. With the current on-field protections......these QB's can realistically expect 15 year careers if they choose...... so the "get it while you can because it could end any day" thing that motivates other positions to TAKE THE DEAL......does not apply. You want me to come play QB for your bad team with your defensive-minded coach with no offensive playmakers? How about NO? Trade me down the board to this situation or that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mannc Posted August 16, 2017 Share Posted August 16, 2017 Either way there is a snowball's chance he'd agree to play for Buffalo. Times are a-changin' Bobby. The NFL wanted to make themselves into a star QB-or-else league and they will have to deal with QB's increasingly dictating terms the way NBA superstars do in a league where there are twice as many teams as superstars. With the current on-field protections......these QB's can realistically expect 15 year careers if they choose...... so the "get it while you can because it could end any day" thing that motivates other positions to TAKE THE DEAL......does not apply. You want me to come play QB for your bad team with your defensive-minded coach with no offensive playmakers? How about NO? Trade me down the board to this situation or that. It's an interesting argument, but I've seen zero evidence that it's about to become an epidemic in the league. True blue chip QBs have always tried to leverage their situation to play (or not play) for who they want (Elway, E. Manning, Luck, to some extent), but these are rare prospects, and while it might happen once in a while, I doubt it will become a regular occurrence. Cousins is a poor example. His contract has expired and he apparently wants out of a dysfunctional organization. He's used his considerable leverage to bank $50 million the past two seasons, while putting himself in position to become the most sought after FA in league history. A rookie coming out of college simply will not have the same leverage. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DriveFor1Outta5 Posted August 16, 2017 Share Posted August 16, 2017 Calling out the NCAA is what brought the spotlight on him. He is 100% correct by the way. No but just say with all the talk about Character no way Bills draft him. So i asked what character issues and still have yet yo post any. I am not holding my breath though all good It did bring Rosen a new found spotlight, but it wasn't the first time charactor concerns were mentioned with Rosen. One scout said that Rosen has "tons of issues and is a mess off the field". Lots of signs point to Rosen being a spoiled rich kid. Arrogant intellectuals probably aren't very popular in NFL locker rooms. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blokestradamus Posted August 16, 2017 Share Posted August 16, 2017 It did bring Rosen a new found spotlight, but it wasn't the first time charactor concerns were mentioned with Rosen. One scout said that Rosen has "tons of issues and is a mess off the field". Lots of signs point to Rosen being a spoiled rich kid. Arrogant intellectuals probably aren't very popular in NFL locker rooms. It's pretty odd because scouts don't even get access to the players at this point to make a judgement. So the info must be coming out from sources involved with the team. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted August 16, 2017 Share Posted August 16, 2017 (edited) It did bring Rosen a new found spotlight, but it wasn't the first time charactor concerns were mentioned with Rosen. One scout said that Rosen has "tons of issues and is a mess off the field". Lots of signs point to Rosen being a spoiled rich kid. Arrogant intellectuals probably aren't very popular in NFL locker rooms.Ooo yeah scouts dont have other motives for making statements. I have shown his two character issues that are verified. A hottub and messing with some lawn ornaments. And everything written since then shows a much different player Its your standard start tearing about the QBs so we have reasons to say not draft one time of year for Bills fans Edited August 16, 2017 by MAJBobby Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JaCrispy Posted August 16, 2017 Share Posted August 16, 2017 (edited) On cue.....I was literally just talking about Darnold and Rosen dodging the 2018 draft the other day. Well.......they can always trade their two 2018 first round picks for more draft equity in 2019 and wait Darnold and Rosen out.........they can run but.......well........they can't play college ball for 5 years......right? I kid.......but the looming reality of $30M QB's is going to be that they are going to start dictating where they play. The Elway and Eli instances of the past are one thing........but Kirk Cousins is the real beginning of this trend. What he is doing would have been UNHEARD of 3-4 years ago. This trend is BAD news for anyone expecting the Bills to acquire an anointed great college QB..........they would be much better served in the long run IMO if they can find their own Russ Wilson-chip-on-shoulder type and develop them. That means what it always means for me........taking lots of shots at QB's. But IMO, Darnold or Rosen agreeing to play in windy, cold, Buffalo for the downtrodden Bills is a resolute NOT LIKELY. It's interesting you post this...I was just thinking the other day how unlikely it would be for a QB from a major program or city to want to play from the Bills...that leaves Falk, who grew up in Utah, and Josh Allen, who plays for Wyoming...They are used to the small town lifestyle and tough weather conditions...I think they would probably fit the Bills better than the California QBs imo. Edited August 16, 2017 by JaCrispy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DriveFor1Outta5 Posted August 16, 2017 Share Posted August 16, 2017 Ooo yeah scouts dont have other motives for making statements. I have shown his two character issues that are verified. A hottub and messing with some lawn ornaments. And everything written since then shows a much different player Its your standard start tearing about the QBs so we have reasons to say not draft one time of year for Bills fans Nope. Actually there's a lot of other QB's I really like. Lets not pretend that these things won't be an issue, every team will deal with it when making a decision on Rosen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KellyToughII Posted August 16, 2017 Author Share Posted August 16, 2017 It's interesting you post this...I was just thinking the other day how unlikely it would be for a QB from a major program or city would probably not want to play from the Bills...that leaves Falk, who grew up in Utah, and Josh Allen, who plays for Wyoming...They are used to the small town lifestyle and tough weather conditions...I think they would probably fit the Bills better the California QBs imo. Falk, Allen, Mayfield, I have no issues with either of the 3. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted August 16, 2017 Share Posted August 16, 2017 It's interesting you post this...I was just thinking the other day how unlikely it would be for a QB from a major program or city to want to play from the Bills...that leaves Falk, who grew up in Utah, and Josh Allen, who plays for Wyoming...They are used to the small town lifestyle and tough weather conditions...I think they would probably fit the Bills better the California QBs imo. How many QBs have tried a powerplay against the Team that drafted them in the past 20 years? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BADOLBILZ Posted August 16, 2017 Share Posted August 16, 2017 It's an interesting argument, but I've seen zero evidence that it's about to become an epidemic in the league. True blue chip QBs have always tried to leverage their situation to play (or not play) for who they want (Elway, E. Manning, Luck, to some extent), but these are rare prospects, and while it might happen once in a while, I doubt it will become a regular occurrence. Cousins is a poor example. His contract has expired and he apparently wants out of a dysfunctional organization. He's used his considerable leverage to bank $50 million the past two seasons, while putting himself in position to become the most sought after FA in league history. A rookie coming out of college simply will not have the same leverage. Epidemic implies that it potentially affects most. It doesn't. It's a looming problem for bad teams with unattractive coaches and rosters........same as it is in the NBA. It's not like these rookies are being handed $10M per year contracts like pre-current-CBA..........which effectively blocked all but a handful of teams from trading for them. If Darnold, Rosen and Allen have great years and are set up to go 1-2-3........and 2 of those 3 are Cleveland and Buffalo.......EXPECT fireworks from their agents. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted August 16, 2017 Share Posted August 16, 2017 Nope. Actually there's a lot of other QB's I really like. Lets not pretend that these things won't be an issue, every team will deal with it when making a decision on Rosen. And he will check out. This isnt Manziel Epidemic implies that it potentially affects most. It doesn't. It's a looming problem for bad teams with unattractive coaches and rosters........same as it is in the NBA. It's not like these rookies are being handed $10M per year contracts like pre-current-CBA..........which effectively blocked all but a handful of teams from trading for them. If Darnold, Rosen and Allen have great years and are set up to go 1-2-3........and 2 of those 3 are Cleveland and Buffalo.......EXPECT fireworks from their agents. Beacause it has Happened a entire ONE time in the past 20 years. These player if they declare will sign and play with the team that drafts them Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KellyToughII Posted August 16, 2017 Author Share Posted August 16, 2017 I like this kid and his story.http://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/20117075/wyoming-cowboys-josh-allen-goes-unknown-no-1-pick-nfl-draft-buzz Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted August 16, 2017 Share Posted August 16, 2017 I like this kid and his story. http://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/20117075/wyoming-cowboys-josh-allen-goes-unknown-no-1-pick-nfl-draft-buzz Allen is my favorite QB in this class right now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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