Kirby Jackson Posted August 15, 2017 Share Posted August 15, 2017 If you can't be with the one you love, love the one you are with. Embrace the change fellas. Complaining about it won't do a damn bit of good. Think about that again - They started 3-0 w/o Brady last season. Beyond Tainted Tom Brady they manage to trade players, get draft picks and keep the O and D clicking. They actually manage to trade draft picks for players now. Ealy, Cooks, Gillislee, etc... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fadingpain Posted August 15, 2017 Share Posted August 15, 2017 The loss of Watkins is not going to impact this team nearly as much as some posters seem to think. Having said that, we are in a hybrid tank mode at the moment, subject to go full tank in the future depending on how things go. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chris heff Posted August 15, 2017 Share Posted August 15, 2017 If you can't be with the one you love, love the one you are with. Embrace the change fellas. Complaining about it won't do a damn bit of good. Think about that again - They started 3-0 w/o Brady last season. Beyond Tainted Tom Brady they manage to trade players, get draft picks and keep the O and D clicking. So by that logic no need for a franchise QB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldmanfan Posted August 15, 2017 Share Posted August 15, 2017 Yep huge money on a team with few stars and no big time QB. It's a pretty decent number for a #1 WR if you check salaries around the league and a tool to keep the player longer in order to negotiate a cap friendly long term deal. Maybe the Bills can put together a starting 22 on rookie deals. They could win the " cap Bowl".big money and you can throw whatever dumb qualifiers around it you want. And I didn't like the trade Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GG Posted August 15, 2017 Share Posted August 15, 2017 No matter the reason they are wrong, IMO. That 2nd round pick won't be close to the player Sammy is. They don't value Sammy enough to give him a big chunk of money. I think they are misjudging the type of player he is/will be. Why is it hard to believe that the decision may have been something other than on-field ability and cash? Very few people are disputing Sammy's talent. But does the fact that no player has spoken out negatively about the trade provide some indication that very few people at OBD are upset? We're going on day 5 after the trade. If this trade was as controversial in the locker room as it is on the forums, surely somebody would have sent an angry tweet or 20 by now. But there's nothing. Not by the players publicly, quietly, or even by the usual back channels through the agents to ESPN or PFT. Reminds me of the Richie story in Miami, where everyone immediately crucified him, except his teammates. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CountDorkula Posted August 15, 2017 Share Posted August 15, 2017 Why? just for the #1 pick? Who is worth that price? I mean, you really wish that much ill will towards the Bills? To be inevitably compared to the '08 Lions? This team has talent and deserves more. A zero win season would be massively disruptive. You think it's hard to get talented players to come now? You'll see players we draft refuse to sign. No, a zero win season would be a disaster. If it means getting a franchise QB, sign me up for 0-16. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan4 Posted August 15, 2017 Share Posted August 15, 2017 Maybe part of Goff's problem was that he didn't have targets. It's hard for any QB, even the Bradys and Rodgers, to throw successfully when they don't have good receivers for whatever reason. IMO, the hiring process during the few years the Pegulas have owned the team has been laughable, for both HC and GM. IIRC, Ryan was hired after meeting with the Pegulas when there were other candidates who hadn't been interviewed. As for Beane, that he was selected after McDermott suggests that he's the same kind of figurehead as Marv Levy was back in 2009-2010 ... and the real "powers behind the throne" are McDermott and Russ Brandon. Rex Ryan was hired after an exhaustive coaching search. I believe they had interviewed somewhere around 15 people before they eveninterviewed Rex. Then late in the process they decided to give Rex an interview, for the sake of being thorough, and the rest is history... As for Beane, I don't think he's just a figurehead. From all accounts, he did the Sammy and Darby trades all in his own. McDermott didn't even know about the trades until the night before. I believe that McDermott was just following the Andy Reid model with the Beane hiring. McD has tons of respect for Beane and really trusts his football acumen. Pegula wanted the entire building to be in lock step with their vision, was impressed by Beane and hired him. It wasn't just a figurehead hire. They immediately put him in charge of revamping the entire personnel and scouting staff. A figurehead doesn't do that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GG Posted August 15, 2017 Share Posted August 15, 2017 Didn't Peter King just say the veteran players liked Sammy? They didn't want to pay him. Simple as that, IMO. There's a huge difference between saying they like the player and going on a twitter tirade blasting management for gutting the roster, like people are doing here. If this was only about the money, I'd guess that more players would be outspoken because they know they won't get their money in Buffalo anyway. Of course that's 180 polar opposite of Pegula's fiscal management. Please tell me when he didn't pay top dollar to a player that he wanted to keep. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GG Posted August 15, 2017 Share Posted August 15, 2017 Where did I say this was Pegulas decision? Beane and McDermott don't value Watkins otherwise he'd still be here. They don't think he's worth the money he will command next year. And because players didn't go off on a tirade on Twitter there must be something to that? Your reaching hard. Do you think Pegulas let McDermott and lame duck Whaley make that critical decision on their own? Am I'm the one who's reaching? Pegulas were far more involved than Beane, because Beane wasn't on the team when they declined the 5th year option. That's when they probably decided to move on. That's why they've been far more active than usual to bring in quality veteran WR help. Look at the players' reaction when Chip gutted the Eagles roster. Who was the loudest mouth? What has that mouth said about the Watkins trade? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarlinTheMagician Posted August 15, 2017 Share Posted August 15, 2017 Our wide receiver group is better than what we had on the field last year. It would be tough for our secondary to be worse than last year. And we have picks. Stop ya whining. Anyone see Fitz pick us apart last year? Still hurts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tisker A Tasker Posted August 15, 2017 Share Posted August 15, 2017 Welcome to Buffalo, Mr. Beane. The less you listen to the fans and media, the better off you'll be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boatdrinks Posted August 15, 2017 Share Posted August 15, 2017 big money and you can throw whatever dumb qualifiers around it you want. And I didn't like the trade It's not that big in the current cap era. Just the reality of NFL salaries. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reddogblitz Posted August 15, 2017 Share Posted August 15, 2017 When you get rid of talent for draft picks = tanking. This guy is delusional I would agree IF we traded for ONLY draft picks and not guys who had success in the NFL previously. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boatdrinks Posted August 15, 2017 Share Posted August 15, 2017 Our wide receiver group is better than what we had on the field last year. It would be tough for our secondary to be worse than last year. And we have picks. Stop ya whining. Anyone see Fitz pick us apart last year? Still hurts. Yeah, all Bills fans should be happy with last years taxi squad of WRs as a baseline . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yungmack Posted August 15, 2017 Share Posted August 15, 2017 ^^^ What do you guys define as "a few"? 5? 10? 17? IMO, Beane is simply another henchman carrying out orders from Russ Brandon. The moves the Bills made this past off season and in training camp all stink of the very same philosphy of putting profitability far above winning that's been going on for the last 17 years. The team will never get significantly better when it constantly sheds its best young talent rather than pay them, which is exactly what it did again this year by letting Gilmore leave and shipping Watkins off. The Bills are back where they have been just about every year since 2002: scrambling to fill the holes created by not keeping the talent they already had and spinning in the media about how their fill-ins are "just as good" as the talented players who are gone. The only thing that's "new" -- well, sort of -- is that Beane is trying to spin these moves as something original: "building for the future while winning games". Right-o. Anybody want to buy a slightly used but recently rehabbed four lane bridge over Chautauqua Lake? I've got it for sale cheap. (See "Tin Foil" post above) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarlinTheMagician Posted August 15, 2017 Share Posted August 15, 2017 17 years clearly left a mark, and no one can blame anyone for that. These were the right moves. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reddogblitz Posted August 15, 2017 Share Posted August 15, 2017 Direct Link to the PFT Live Interview: http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2017/08/15/brandon-beane-doesnt-want-to-hear-that-the-bills-are-tanking/ I disagree with the "not contending" part. We might. We won 7 games last year with a coach that didn't even know how many men to put on the field. The Fish made the playoffs last year after a dreadful season with a rookie HC. I don't see why it's out of the realm of possibility we can do that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boatdrinks Posted August 15, 2017 Share Posted August 15, 2017 I disagree with the "not contending" part. We might. We won 7 games last year with a coach that didn't even know how many men to put on the field. The Fish made the playoffs last year after a dreadful season with a rookie HC. I don't see why it's out of the realm of possibility we can do that. It's not out of the realm of possibility ( although that is a big qualifier as many things are possible in an NFL season). It's not likely the Bills can win enough ga,es against the right teams to qualify , however. That said, this isn't a tank. It's more of a half step. A tank would mean Peterman at QB, Shady dealt and aging vets cut. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reddogblitz Posted August 15, 2017 Share Posted August 15, 2017 He wasn't going to resign for what the Bills were going to offer. Please tell us how much the Bills were going to offer and what Sammy's walk away price is? Evidently you know. Why is it so important that we give up a years production to get "something" for Sammy? We got nothing for Woods, Gillislee, Hogan, Fitz, Robey, Gilnore, Fred, Byrd, Nigel, Mario ... That's what happens most of the time. Deal with it. You don't know what was going to happen and they could have franchised, re-signed, or traded him after the season. The idea that people are expressing opposition to the trade because they own Sammy Jerseys is ludicrous. I don't own a Sammy jersey and I HATE the trade. Besids, it's still a Bills jersey. Wear it with pride as I do my EJ, Mario, Rob Johnson, and Flutie jerseys. Go BILLS !!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldmanfan Posted August 15, 2017 Share Posted August 15, 2017 It's not that big in the current cap era. Just the reality of NFL salaries. Big money. Keep trying to deflect though Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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