bisonbrigade Posted August 15, 2017 Posted August 15, 2017 (edited) You can add as much sprinkles and frosting on top of a dog terd and call it a donut , but it's till a terd. Why? just for the #1 pick? Who is worth that price? I mean, you really wish that much ill will towards the Bills? To be inevitably compared to the '08 Lions? This team has talent and deserves more. A zero win season would be massively disruptive. You think it's hard to get talented players to come now? You'll see players we draft refuse to sign. No, a zero win season would be a disaster. Ok they can win one game against New England and go 1-15. Who is worth that price??? A Franchise QB is. Edited August 15, 2017 by bisonbrigade
jr1 Posted August 15, 2017 Posted August 15, 2017 they're paying linemen but don't want to pay WR and DB
SoTier Posted August 15, 2017 Posted August 15, 2017 (edited) Great. I'm excited for a few more bad seasons ^^^ I don't think there's any question that's what we are in for... Just a matter of if McDermott/Beane make it through the bad seasons. What do you guys define as "a few"? 5? 10? 17? IMO, Beane is simply another henchman carrying out orders from Russ Brandon. The moves the Bills made this past off season and in training camp all stink of the very same philosphy of putting profitability far above winning that's been going on for the last 17 years. The team will never get significantly better when it constantly sheds its best young talent rather than pay them, which is exactly what it did again this year by letting Gilmore leave and shipping Watkins off. The Bills are back where they have been just about every year since 2002: scrambling to fill the holes created by not keeping the talent they already had and spinning in the media about how their fill-ins are "just as good" as the talented players who are gone. The only thing that's "new" -- well, sort of -- is that Beane is trying to spin these moves as something original: "building for the future while winning games". Right-o. Anybody want to buy a slightly used but recently rehabbed four lane bridge over Chautauqua Lake? I've got it for sale cheap. Edited August 15, 2017 by SoTier
oldmanfan Posted August 15, 2017 Posted August 15, 2017 Sure is. They don't want to pay him the money he'll be looking for with a big year. This could've all been avoided had they picked up his option, but Bills will be Bills. The option I believe would have been around 12 million. Big money
MarlinTheMagician Posted August 15, 2017 Posted August 15, 2017 Goff will limit Sammy's production. Sammy may stay healthy - it is a contract year. But whether he does or doesn't Rams likely have to back up the truck to pay him basketball money. Matthews is an elite slot guy and if he shows out we should sign him. Zay on one side. Boldin will likely retire. True #1 not on roster yet, but he will be on the other side. Free agent or draft, there are safer bets than Sammy for the big $$$$. Folks need to get over the fact that he was our pride and joy. Now he ain't - I wish him well.
GG Posted August 15, 2017 Posted August 15, 2017 Sure is. They don't want to pay him the money he'll be looking for with a big year. This could've all been avoided had they picked up his option, but Bills will be Bills. The only thing the option would do is tie him up for another year at $13 mil. That's bad cap management if your intention is to keep the player. It's not about the money with Sammy. For whatever reason, they no longer wanted him on the team.
PromoTheRobot Posted August 15, 2017 Posted August 15, 2017 ^^^ What do you guys define as "a few"? 5? 10? 17? IMO, Beane is simply another henchman carrying out orders from Russ Brandon. The moves the Bills made this past off season and in training camp all stink of the very same philosphy of putting profitability far above winning that's been going on for the last 17 years. The team will never get significantly better when it constantly sheds its best young talent rather than pay them, which is exactly what it did again this year by letting Gilmore leave and shipping Watkins off. The Bills are back where they have been just about every year since 2002: scrambling to fill the holes created by not keeping the talent they already had and spinning in the media about how their fill-ins are "just as good" as the talented players who are gone. The only thing that's "new" -- well, sort of -- is that Beane is trying to spin these moves as something original: "building for the future while winning games". Right-o. Anybody want to buy a slightly used but recently rehabbed four lane bridge over Chautauqua Lake? I've got it for sale cheap. I was going to finish reading your post until I read that.
C.Biscuit97 Posted August 15, 2017 Posted August 15, 2017 This assumes Watkins is injured and misses half the 2017 season. Healthy he's going to dominate...assuming Goff can get him the ball. This says it all right imo. This might be the most none positive Bills post ever by Promo. If Promo thinks the Bills made a bad move, odds are, we made a bad move.
Boatdrinks Posted August 15, 2017 Posted August 15, 2017 Pegula has never been shy to pay up for talent that his GMs recommend. McD and Beane have certainly not ignored the receiving position this offseason. So to me, it's silly to think that they dumped Watkins on whim. There must be something else behind the story. Like being a rookie GM and scared to death about screwing up your first big contract situation.
C.Biscuit97 Posted August 15, 2017 Posted August 15, 2017 Goff will limit Sammy's production. Sammy may stay healthy - it is a contract year. But whether he does or doesn't Rams likely have to back up the truck to pay him basketball money. Matthews is an elite slot guy and if he shows out we should sign him. Zay on one side. Boldin will likely retire. True #1 not on roster yet, but he will be on the other side. Free agent or draft, there are safer bets than Sammy for the big $$$$. Folks need to get over the fact that he was our pride and joy. Now he ain't - I wish him well. Goff was good enough to get draft #1 overall. Can we stop calling 23 yos who are trying to learn the hardest and most pressurized position in sports busts after one season. And if Sammy produces, the Rams will gladly pay him and he'd want to stay in LA. Beane has proven little for me to blindly trust him. The whole hiring process was minor league. His head coach picked him. I want to be wrong but this whole start has given me bad vibes.
Houston's #1 Bills Fan Posted August 15, 2017 Posted August 15, 2017 The only thing the option would do is tie him up for another year at $13 mil. That's bad cap management if your intention is to keep the player. It's not about the money with Sammy. For whatever reason, they no longer wanted him on the team. I think that the comments made from McCoach and Beaner indicate that he's not a team player. I also got the feeling that they didn't think his health was solid enough to commit to a long-term contract. So, get some value while you can.
GG Posted August 15, 2017 Posted August 15, 2017 Like being a rookie GM and scared to death about screwing up your first big contract situation. Is this a serious response? Did Beane just leave from elementary school and Uncle Terry gave him a sweet job?
Boatdrinks Posted August 15, 2017 Posted August 15, 2017 The only thing the option would do is tie him up for another year at $13 mil. That's bad cap management if your intention is to keep the player. It's not about the money with Sammy. For whatever reason, they no longer wanted him on the team. No that's what most teams do in order to keep the player. Take a look at how many guys that had their option picked up re signed eventually. The fifth year option is a plus for teams , not players. It keeps them with their drafting teams for another year at a reasonable cost. It gives the team more time to work out a long term cap friendly deal without having to make a long term commitment . It may not seem like much, but the option was a huge step for management in keeping the player, and would have kept SW here for two more seasons meaning nothing more would need to be done until late in 2018 season at the earliest. Is this a serious response? Did Beane just leave from elementary school and Uncle Terry gave him a sweet job? It was simply a case of look kind of bad now vs look like an idiot in 2018 if Sammy has a good season and they can't re sign him. As I said as soon as I heard Beane talk about " signability" . Peter King obviously though so too saying Beane would look " dumb" next spring if he lost Watkins. I think that the comments made from McCoach and Beaner indicate that he's not a team player. I also got the feeling that they didn't think his health was solid enough to commit to a long-term contract. So, get some value while you can. Yeah sure, if you buy the spin/ damage control being dished out by OBD.
GG Posted August 15, 2017 Posted August 15, 2017 No that's what most teams do in order to keep the player. Take a look at how many guys that had their option picked up re signed eventually. The fifth year option is a plus for teams , not players. It keeps them with their drafting teams for another year at a reasonable cost. It gives the team more time to work out a long term cap friendly deal without having to make a long term commitment . It may not seem like much, but the option was a huge step for management in keeping the player, and would have kept SW here for two more seasons meaning nothing more would need to be done until late in 2018 season at the earliest. The 5th year option is not a reasonable cost for a top 5 draft pick. The only thing it does is lock the player to the team for another year. If the team is dead set on keeping the player, they try to extend the contract as soon as possible. Players prefer the option to be picked up because they get paid a lot in yr 5, and then get the long term deal the year after.
PromoTheRobot Posted August 15, 2017 Posted August 15, 2017 This says it all right imo. This might be the most none positive Bills post ever by Promo. If Promo thinks the Bills made a bad move, odds are, we made a bad move. It's a bad move is as much as you took away an elite talent from your offense. The trade weakened the Bills in 2017. And if we got a knot in our stomachs when we learned of the trade, I can only imagine how the Bills players felt. They probably felt like a wild card was doable. Now it's a kick in the balls. Will we bounce back? That's up to Beane and McDermott. If they are smart and maybe a little lucky?
SoTier Posted August 15, 2017 Posted August 15, 2017 Goff was good enough to get draft #1 overall. Can we stop calling 23 yos who are trying to learn the hardest and most pressurized position in sports busts after one season. And if Sammy produces, the Rams will gladly pay him and he'd want to stay in LA. Beane has proven little for me to blindly trust him. The whole hiring process was minor league. His head coach picked him. I want to be wrong but this whole start has given me bad vibes. Maybe part of Goff's problem was that he didn't have targets. It's hard for any QB, even the Bradys and Rodgers, to throw successfully when they don't have good receivers for whatever reason. IMO, the hiring process during the few years the Pegulas have owned the team has been laughable, for both HC and GM. IIRC, Ryan was hired after meeting with the Pegulas when there were other candidates who hadn't been interviewed. As for Beane, that he was selected after McDermott suggests that he's the same kind of figurehead as Marv Levy was back in 2009-2010 ... and the real "powers behind the throne" are McDermott and Russ Brandon.
chris heff Posted August 15, 2017 Posted August 15, 2017 Do the Pats tank season after season after season after season after season after season after season after season after season after season ? No, they have Brady and they sign a couple of talented players away from the Bills. So they not only have their draft picks but also have the Bills.
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted August 15, 2017 Posted August 15, 2017 If you can't be with the one you love, love the one you are with. Embrace the change fellas. Complaining about it won't do a damn bit of good. ShadyBillsFan, on 15 Aug 2017 - 12:23 PM, said: Do the Pats tank season after season after season after season after season after season after season after season after season after season ? No, they have Brady and they sign a couple of talented players away from the Bills. So they not only have their draft picks but also have the Bills. Think about that again - They started 3-0 w/o Brady last season. Beyond Tainted Tom Brady they manage to trade players, get draft picks and keep the O and D clicking.
Boatdrinks Posted August 15, 2017 Posted August 15, 2017 The option I believe would have been around 12 million. Big money Yep huge money on a team with few stars and no big time QB. It's a pretty decent number for a #1 WR if you check salaries around the league and a tool to keep the player longer in order to negotiate a cap friendly long term deal. Maybe the Bills can put together a starting 22 on rookie deals. They could win the " cap Bowl".
Buftex Posted August 15, 2017 Posted August 15, 2017 This assumes Watkins is injured and misses half the 2017 season. Healthy he's going to dominate...assuming Goff can get him the ball. I love Sammy, and still think this was a really bad trade. That said, I am not sure, even if Sammy starts 16 games, that he is going to put up the kind of numbers that his detractors will be impressed by. Goff is terrible...and he can't throw the long-ball. I have a feeling he is going to struggle there...if I were him, I'd be careful about signing any extensions, and take my chance on the open market. If he stays healthy, he'll get paid by somebody.
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