CountDorkula Posted August 17, 2017 Share Posted August 17, 2017 Ladies and Gentlemen, a big hand for your Cleveland Browns! Yes the Cleveland Browns the only team that has had as crappy QB situation as the Bills. Again do you blame the culture, or the fact that the QB list is dookie. Its amazing that the last time the Browns made the playoffs was the last time they had a somewhat relevant QB in Tim Couch. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Cleveland_Browns_starting_quarterbacks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrags Posted August 17, 2017 Share Posted August 17, 2017 You are correct. And if you want a team to play to win you have to keep their minds in the right place. You have to give them as many reasons to be optimistic as possible. Ditching one of their top 2 players on offense when there is no cause to do it this year is a great way to gut punch the entire team. Bills staff "Yea we want to win. But, if you are super talented and going to want to make big money in this league next year, we don't want you here this year." This translates onto the field by players more easily developing a "Who gives a crap" attitude. Who gives a crap about this year, who gives a crap about this team, who gives a crap about this organization. - Those types of thoughts. Say you're in a game and the other team gets up 2 scores on you. Instead of digging deep and looking for a way to come back on them, you might start thinking "Who gives a crap?" And once that mentality hits - well, it just becomes that much harder for you to come back in that game. Instead it is more likely that the failure gains momentum and turns into a blowout. Don't emotionally gut punch every player on your team and then expect them not to feel bad. except as far as you know this doesn't affect each player. For all you know Sammy was a diva in the locker room and not a team player. For all you know Sammy wanted off this team and made it known. Maybe one of that is true. We don't know. Only the locker room does. With that said, you are speculating based on your opinion. You cannot go by interviews with players because they are still on this team and may have to say publicly different than what they feel. Regardless of how they feel about someone on the field may not be how they feel about them personally. And that may affect what they say about a person. I've had many people I work with that I can't stand them as a person but trust everything they do at work to get a job done. Just like I have some personal friends I work with but don't trust them to do a good job when things need to get done. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chris heff Posted August 17, 2017 Share Posted August 17, 2017 Colts could have scoured the waiver wire for someone better than Curtis Painter for crying out loud. OR, they could have traded for someone like the Vikings did last year. Tanking was By no means thrust upon them IMHO. But it is the only one I can think of and now it's overall effectiveness is in doubt. Usually tanking is pitched as setting you up for 15 years, not as a short term patch. At the moment, Suck for Luck appears to be just that. We'll see. We agree sort of, but unless they purposely broke Payton's neck it was absolutely thrust upon them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wayne Arnold Posted August 17, 2017 Share Posted August 17, 2017 You are correct. And if you want a team to play to win you have to keep their minds in the right place. You have to give them as many reasons to be optimistic as possible. Ditching one of their top 2 players on offense when there is no cause to do it this year is a great way to gut punch the entire team. Bills staff "Yea we want to win. But, if you are super talented and going to want to make big money in this league next year, we don't want you here this year." This translates onto the field by players more easily developing a "Who gives a crap" attitude. Who gives a crap about this year, who gives a crap about this team, who gives a crap about this organization. - Those types of thoughts. Say you're in a game and the other team gets up 2 scores on you. Instead of digging deep and looking for a way to come back on them, you might start thinking "Who gives a crap?" And once that mentality hits - well, it just becomes that much harder for you to come back in that game. Instead it is more likely that the failure gains momentum and turns into a blowout. Don't emotionally gut punch every player on your team and then expect them not to feel bad. You're acting like the Bills traded away Aaron Rodgers. Sammy was nothing more to this franchise than a very talented wide receiver who may have turned some players off in light of Anquan Bolden's recent 'diva' comments. "Emotionally gut punch." Good Lord, get a grip. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted August 17, 2017 Share Posted August 17, 2017 (edited) You're acting like the Bills traded away Aaron Rodgers. Sammy was nothing more to this franchise than a very talented wide receiver who may have turned some players off in light of Anquan Bolden's recent 'diva' comments. "Emotionally gut punch." Good Lord, get a grip. Had nothing to do with Sammy and Sal Capaccio reported that he's talked to Bills' players both on and off the record and to a man they said that Sammy was a hard worker and well liked teammate that they will really miss. Peter King also reported that the veteran players loved Sammy. Edited August 17, 2017 by 26CornerBlitz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
8-8 Forever? Posted August 17, 2017 Share Posted August 17, 2017 They are "middling" it. Claiming to be in winning mode for the 2017 season while building for the future. It's a tough sell IMO. they'll play hard, win 3 or 4 games and go draft a top QB and generally reload in the draft next year. this year will be bad, unless McD and team coach their asses off and they stay healthy. but then they don't get the QB. in today's NFL, they should go play hard , win 3 games and go get a long term solution at QB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wayne Arnold Posted August 17, 2017 Share Posted August 17, 2017 Had nothing to do with Sammy and Sal Capaccio reported that he's talked to Bills' players both on and off the record and to a man they said that Sammy was a hard worker and well liked teammate that they will really miss. Peter King also reported that the veteran players loved Sammy. Fair enough. I still think you're grossly exaggerating the mental effect it will have on the players. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted August 17, 2017 Share Posted August 17, 2017 Fair enough. I still think you're grossly exaggerating the mental effect it will have on the players. Players aren't stupid. They know that the trade of Watkins makes them a worse team in 2017. These guys want to win. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted August 17, 2017 Share Posted August 17, 2017 Yes the Cleveland Browns the only team that has had as crappy QB situation as the Bills. Again do you blame the culture, or the fact that the QB list is dookie. Its amazing that the last time the Browns made the playoffs was the last time they had a somewhat relevant QB in Tim Couch. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Cleveland_Browns_starting_quarterbacks I don't have a dogmatic answer, bad ownership does set a bad culture and hires incompetent people for long runs of time. The NFL gives the worst team the top pick every season, no fixing a lottery or pingpong balls. And you can't build a superpower like the NBA by colluding 3 stars to all go to the same team. So 2 decades of stink has to be more than just random bad luck.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reddogblitz Posted August 17, 2017 Share Posted August 17, 2017 Since I live here in Indy let me educate you. When they found out about Manning their first move was to bring in Kerry Collins. So they had a veteran with Super Bowl experience. Collins didn't play well and decided to retire a few weeks into the season. At that point there simply wasn'yt much out there. Thanks for the education . Kerry was legit even if he was 38 years old. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4merper4mer Posted August 18, 2017 Share Posted August 18, 2017 I wonder if he is still annoyed at fans think we aren't trying to win this year. How dare fans understand that having a dynamic WR threat opens up other options for the offense. Only NFL GMs should be privy to that info. I'm guessing Beane got just a little more up to speed watching that last night. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted August 18, 2017 Share Posted August 18, 2017 @evansilva I expect #Bills to listen to trade offers for Shady McCoy & Tyrod Taylor if not make some themselves. Getting 2017 wins not their priority. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4merper4mer Posted August 18, 2017 Share Posted August 18, 2017 I'm surprised these guys would be ok with just chalking up a losing season. They can't be that naive to think they are automatically getting 5, 4 or even 3 years without showing results can they? They deserve at least 3 even if it won't be fun for fans initially. I don't really love their treatment of Sammy which was outrageously dumb and emotional. I had liked pretty much everything else they were doing and it seemed to make sense. Even the Darby trade made sense once the Sammy debacle had been completed. In isolation the Darby trade was good and showed forward thinking. I bolded "had" in the previous section because Beane's verbal smackdown of fans for having the gaul to think we are tanking when we GAVE AWAY OUR BEST PLAYER for future assets was unnecessary and insulting. No GM or coach is perfect so it is not the end of the world but I sure hope he learns to stop being a douche bag and blatantly talking down to the fan base. Talking down subtly is necessary at times, but this was blatant even to casual fans. @evansilva I expect #Bills to listen to trade offers for Shady McCoy & Tyrod Taylor if not make some themselves. Getting 2017 wins not their priority. I scanned his feed. Not sure he knows a lot of insider information. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave mcbride Posted August 18, 2017 Share Posted August 18, 2017 @evansilva I expect #Bills to listen to trade offers for Shady McCoy & Tyrod Taylor if not make some themselves. Getting 2017 wins not their priority. Interesting. What about Pitt for Shady? He's pricey, but a lot less pricey than a tagged Bell and he has more years on his contract than just one year. Shady has played well against the Pats and -- wait for it -- he went to Pitt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted August 18, 2017 Share Posted August 18, 2017 Interesting. What about Pitt for Shady? He's pricey, but a lot less pricey than a tagged Bell and he has more years on his contract than just one year. Shady has played well against the Pats and -- wait for it -- he went to Pitt. If he was traded or they're thinking about, I mentioned Green Bay as a good fit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fan in Chicago Posted August 18, 2017 Share Posted August 18, 2017 I bolded "had" in the previous section because Beane's verbal smackdown of fans for having the gaul to think we are tanking when we GAVE AWAY OUR BEST PLAYER for future assets was unnecessary and insulting. No GM or coach is perfect so it is not the end of the world but I sure hope he learns to stop being a douche bag and blatantly talking down to the fan base. Talking down subtly is necessary at times, but this was blatant even to casual fans. Exactly. He saying he is annoyed certainly rankled me and even a few days later, I cant get over it for the reasons you stated. He has proven nothing as a GM so far. Poor press conferences are something that Whaley used to regularly get trashed for. Beane's start is no better and the pressure will get worse if the team underperforms. He needs to understand the public aspect of his job real soon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wayne Arnold Posted August 18, 2017 Share Posted August 18, 2017 I bolded "had" in the previous section because Beane's verbal smackdown of fans for having the gaul to think we are tanking when we GAVE AWAY OUR BEST PLAYER for future assets was unnecessary and insulting. No GM or coach is perfect so it is not the end of the world but I sure hope he learns to stop being a douche bag and blatantly talking down to the fan base. Talking down subtly is necessary at times, but this was blatant even to casual fans. Beane didn't give a "verbal smackdown" of fans. Put on your big boy pants and knock it off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave mcbride Posted August 18, 2017 Share Posted August 18, 2017 If he was traded or they're thinking about, I mentioned Green Bay as a good fit. Great fit for GB - a team with a ton of pressure to be more than just good enough to lose in the second round of the playoffs every year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebandit27 Posted August 18, 2017 Share Posted August 18, 2017 If he was traded or they're thinking about, I mentioned Green Bay as a good fit. I think Tampa Bay would make a ton of sense, though I really hope they don't move him for a song. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4merper4mer Posted August 18, 2017 Share Posted August 18, 2017 Beane didn't give a "verbal smackdown" of fans. Put on your big boy pants and knock it off. "I'm annoyed by my customers" is not a good thing to say in any business no matter what type of pants they wear. You might be splitting heirs when saying it wasn't a verbal smackdown. Fine. He definitely did not show a lot of respect for the fans' knowledge level. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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