Does anyone believe GM Beane about preseason game?

[Kelly the Dog]

I'm sure Beane mentioned some trade possibilities throughout the off-season and McD was aware that Sammy could be traded, but I believe that Brand didn't really get into specifics with him and the Pegulas until after the game. Namely the parameters as well as the coinciding Darby trade. So it's it's not a lie, but it doesn't tell the whole story.

Yeah, it's possible. It just doesn't seem likely. The truth is, like it often is, somewhere in the middle. Surely McD knew about the trade talk. Surely he knew Sammy may not be in their long term plans. MAYBE he didn't know of the Rams latest offer and the fact that Beane was trading him to the Rams early in the morning. MAYBE the four passes in a row were just a combination of wanting to get Sammy involved and Tyrod just choosing him on random plays and it had nothing whatsoever to do about showcasing. That all just seems odd.

 

If I'm not mistaken, I would have to go back and listen, but I think Beane may have said that the trade talks with LA increased "during the game." That could explain that they saw enough and were pulling the trigger or even upping their offer.

[eball]

I'll begin by saying that obviously I don't know. None of us do. But I believe it's plausible Beane is telling the truth because there was plenty of incentive to get Sammy "into the game" even without trade talks. Everybody had been asking Sammy and Taylor about chemistry and everyone wanted to see Sammy in live action. Those plays were a way to get Sammy some quick action and then shut him down for the night. I and my buddy didn't think for one second the other night while watching the game that they targeted Sammy quickly to show other teams he was ok -- we both thought they did it to show the fans and his teammates he was back.

 

I, of course, could be wrong.

[Kelly the Dog]

who is Opie?

McDermott looks a lot like Ron Howard.

[Best Player Available]

I thought this concept deserves its own thread. Perhaps MODS don't. You decide.

 

Brandon Beane, who for the most part I very much like, even though I hated the trades, said on WGR I believe that he never discussed the trade possibilities with Opie until AFTER the game against the Vikings. He never brought it up.

 

That means they weren't auditioning Sammy for the Rams or the other three teams that expressed interest by the first four plays all going to Watkins.

 

Frankly, I find that very hard to believe on both counts. That he hadn't discussed the trade with McDermott, and that it was just coincidence that four plays in a row out of a possible four went to SW.

 

Now granted, everyone knows that what GMs say to the press and public have to be taken with grain of salt. But he didn't at all have to say it this way, and went out of his way, AFTER the trade, to say that Opie knew nothing about it, and it wasn't an audition. And Sammy even says he thinks it was.

 

That really makes me, personally, not believe Beane for the first time, early in his tenure. And it will take some time to make me believe he is being forthright with the press and the fans. Not a good way to start, and it seems like it was an unforced error.

 

So, do you believe Beane that he never discussed the trade before the Vikes game AND the four straight passes to Sammy were just coincidence? Or that Beane lied about it? And can you think of a good reason why he would lie about this particular thing.

Dan patrick interviewed the Beagles VP who made the Darby trade. I am paraphrasing. Of course not about #14 he mentioned that when things warmed up on the Darby trade that 15-20 calls with Beane were exchanged. Starting the day before the first pre season game in detail. And that all teams talk at this time of year about "surplus" players, and players who they need or prefer and players they are open to trading. I would guess the Watkins trade was very similar dialog wise. I doubt a call came out of the Blue and was a surprise regarding SW. Considering both trades were made within 20 minutes of each other. He also.said Beane made no reference about trading #14 too the Rams during the Darby talks.

[SoCal Deek]

McDermott looks a lot like Ron Howard.

No he doesn't!

[4merper4mer]

It might be that the plays were a coincidence. Lie or truth, the trade and entire handling of Sammy have been horrendous.

[Kelly the Dog]

I'll begin by saying that obviously I don't know. None of us do. But I believe it's plausible Beane is telling the truth because there was plenty of incentive to get Sammy "into the game" even without trade talks. Everybody had been asking Sammy and Taylor about chemistry and everyone wanted to see Sammy in live action. Those plays were a way to get Sammy some quick action and then shut him down for the night. I and my buddy didn't think for one second the other night while watching the game that they targeted Sammy quickly to show other teams he was ok -- we both thought they did it to show the fans and his teammates he was back.

 

I, of course, could be wrong.

Yeah, I didn't think for a second while watching that they were showcasing him. But when the trade was made early the next morning after the four straight passes one could easily come to that conclusion.

[fridge]

It might be that the plays were a coincidence. Lie or truth, the trade and entire handling of Sammy have been horrendous.

 

Amen to that. We got a shiny new toy and had absolutely no idea what to do with it.

[Wayne Arnold]

I thought this concept deserves its own thread. Perhaps MODS don't. You decide.

 

Brandon Beane, who for the most part I very much like, even though I hated the trades, said on WGR I believe that he never discussed the trade possibilities with Opie until AFTER the game against the Vikings. He never brought it up.

 

That means they weren't auditioning Sammy for the Rams or the other three teams that expressed interest by the first four plays all going to Watkins.

 

Frankly, I find that very hard to believe on both counts. That he hadn't discussed the trade with McDermott, and that it was just coincidence that four plays in a row out of a possible four went to SW.

 

Now granted, everyone knows that what GMs say to the press and public have to be taken with grain of salt. But he didn't at all have to say it this way, and went out of his way, AFTER the trade, to say that Opie knew nothing about it, and it wasn't an audition. And Sammy even says he thinks it was.

 

That really makes me, personally, not believe Beane for the first time, early in his tenure. And it will take some time to make me believe he is being forthright with the press and the fans. Not a good way to start, and it seems like it was an unforced error.

 

So, do you believe Beane that he never discussed the trade before the Vikes game AND the four straight passes to Sammy were just coincidence? Or that Beane lied about it? And can you think of a good reason why he would lie about this particular thing.

 

I'm sure Beane is very concerned about how much Kelly the Dog believes him.

 

My guess is McDermott knew very well that Sammy was on the trade block. Hell, maybe it was even his idea. And that the deal with the Rams was solidified either during or right before the game when McDermott was otherwise occupied.

[GG]

Yeah, it's possible. It just doesn't seem likely. The truth is, like it often is, somewhere in the middle. Surely McD knew about the trade talk. Surely he knew Sammy may not be in their long term plans. MAYBE he didn't know of the Rams latest offer and the fact that Beane was trading him to the Rams early in the morning. MAYBE the four passes in a row were just a combination of wanting to get Sammy involved and Tyrod just choosing him on random plays and it had nothing whatsoever to do about showcasing. That all just seems odd.

 

If I'm not mistaken, I would have to go back and listen, but I think Beane may have said that the trade talks with LA increased "during the game." That could explain that they saw enough and were pulling the trigger or even upping their offer.

 

Which means that technically, Beane wasn't lying?

[4merper4mer]

I'm sure Beane is very concerned about how much Kelly the Dog believes him.

 

My guess is McDermott knew very well that Sammy was on the trade block. Hell, maybe it was even his idea. And that the deal with the Rams was solidified either during or right before the game when McDermott was otherwise occupied.

The Sammy hating definitely started before Beane arrived.

[xsoldier54]

I thought this concept deserves its own thread. Perhaps MODS don't. You decide.

 

Brandon Beane, who for the most part I very much like, even though I hated the trades, said on WGR I believe that he never discussed the trade possibilities with Opie until AFTER the game against the Vikings. He never brought it up.

 

That means they weren't auditioning Sammy for the Rams or the other three teams that expressed interest by the first four plays all going to Watkins.

 

Frankly, I find that very hard to believe on both counts. That he hadn't discussed the trade with McDermott, and that it was just coincidence that four plays in a row out of a possible four went to SW.

 

Now granted, everyone knows that what GMs say to the press and public have to be taken with grain of salt. But he didn't at all have to say it this way, and went out of his way, AFTER the trade, to say that Opie knew nothing about it, and it wasn't an audition. And Sammy even says he thinks it was.

 

That really makes me, personally, not believe Beane for the first time, early in his tenure. And it will take some time to make me believe he is being forthright with the press and the fans. Not a good way to start, and it seems like it was an unforced error.

 

So, do you believe Beane that he never discussed the trade before the Vikes game AND the four straight passes to Sammy were just coincidence? Or that Beane lied about it? And can you think of a good reason why he would lie about this particular thing.

I think you have too much time on your hands. I could give a rat's ass when he discussed it with McDermott. I can't even imagine a scenario where Beane would lie about that. What purpose would it serve? To what end? Makes no sense that he would lie about something so trivial.

[Kelly the Dog]

 

Which means that technically, Beane wasn't lying?

It's possible, sure. That's why I asked people if they believed he was telling the truth. If I HAD to guess I think that McD knew the trade was likely happening and that the Rams wanted to see Sammy play. If that was the case then I think he was lying and I was trying to figure out why he would say that; he surely didn't have to. That's if I HAD to guess. It's also possible but unlikely IMO that there was no showcasing going on and McD did not know at all that Sammy was about to be traded.

 

I'm sure Beane is very concerned about how much Kelly the Dog believes him.

That's weird you think that because I don't. Creepy even.

 

I do think good, spirited conversation with varying POVs about Bills football is a good thing on a Bills message board. Frankly, it almost feels like it's something that is organic and wanted.

Edited August 14, 2017 by Kelly the Dog

[eball]

Yeah, I didn't think for a second while watching that they were showcasing him. But when the trade was made early the next morning after the four straight passes one could easily come to that conclusion.

 

Sure, it's a logical reaction. I tend to believe, however, that Beane and McD have a general "understanding" that if teams call about specific players Beane will do his homework and evaluate the potential deal behind the scenes, and then once something concrete is on the table go to McD and Pegs for consensus before any trigger is pulled. I actually think you create more problems if you tell a HC a player might be traded before a game; what if "showcasing" the player backfires?

 

I really believe the quick throws to Sammy to start off the game were in the natural flow of the offense and an effort from Tyrod to get something going for the season.

 

That said, I also continue to believe that we are all fools to believe everything that comes out of a GM's or HC's mouth.

[dwight in philly]

McDermott looks a lot like Ron Howard.

ok.. i get it.. TBD never lacks for creative comedic "genius"

[Boatdrinks]

It might be that the plays were a coincidence. Lie or truth, the trade and entire handling of Sammy have been horrendous.

Yes it has, unfortunately forBills fans. I'm not sure if it matters much if he was being truthful or not. I would tend to take anything he or MCD says with a giant rock of salt.

[WhoTom]

McDermott looks a lot like Ron Howard.

 

 

No he doesn't!

 

[dwight in philly]

 

 

 

OK then.. let us all keep up the "good work!"

Edited August 14, 2017 by dwight in philly

[JMF2006]

If the trade talks were heated before the game they would have held him out so as not to risk injury.

[BillnutinHouston]

What exactly does Beane gain by lying? I missed that piece.