Does anyone believe GM Beane about preseason game?

[Joe Miner]

One of the reasons that the foot injury hurts Watkins a little more than other WRs is how quick and hard he makes his stops, cuts and his breaks. They are noticeably different than everyone else on the team. It's the reason he can get wide open on a seven yard out pass, and one of the many reasons why he is unstoppable when healthy.

 

If I were the Rams and about to make that trade I think those four plays would seal the deal for me that he is 100% healthy.

You weren't willing to bet a 2 and a crappy CB until you saw those 4 plays?

[Over 29 years of fanhood]

if beane lied about whether he discussed Sammy being traded or not, then he is a serial liar.

 

I say this Because I can't find a reason it's worth lying about.

 

So what if he had told him prior to the game. Why not say that?

 

What's the lie protect?

Edited August 14, 2017 by Over 29 years of fanhood

[Kelly the Dog]

So in 1 thread we're supposed to believe Sammy wanted to be here because he said so, but in this thread Beane is a liar because of 4 plays between a QB and wr who needed to get on the same page and only had 1 quarter to do so.

 

Whaley was a liar at the press conference fiasco, but maybe only in his intent, maybe not technically in his words.

 

Name a player, coach, of GM that made a controversial statement and a good portion of people will believe they're a liar.

 

We like to believe people when they say what we want to hear or agree with and call them liars when they don't. Chances are, most of what they're telling the media is a giant shade of gray.

I agree with all of that. But that's why I wanted to start the thread. I like Beane. I had believed him. He didn't need to say what I think he said, he went out of his way to. And combined with another statement it looked like it was deceitful when it didn't need to be. This could be all semantics. I am not against Beane. I actually liked everything he said in this morning's GR interview even though I hated the trades.

You weren't willing to bet a 2 and a crappy CB until you saw those 4 plays?

Ha. Good point. But I wouldn't give up a second round pick and my 3 CB if I thought the guy was hurt for the fourth year in a row, no.

[PolishDave]

One of the reasons that the foot injury hurts Watkins a little more than other WRs is how quick and hard he makes his stops, cuts and his breaks. They are noticeably different than everyone else on the team. It's the reason he can get wide open on a seven yard out pass, and one of the many reasons why he is unstoppable when healthy.

 

If I were the Rams and about to make that trade I think those four plays would seal the deal for me that he is 100% healthy.

 

The more I think about it, the more I am leaning towards it being a coincidence that those passes went to Sammy back to back. It was a glimpse of what this season could/may have been like with a healthy Sammy and Tyrod in Dennison's offense. - Pleasant dreams gone "poof" up in smoke.

 

If Beaner is lying, he is damn good at it. I am giving him the benefit of the doubt unless these things become a pattern.

[Beast]

I started this thread yesterday afternoon and the mods shut it down today. I guess it was being discussed elsewhere though I couldn't find where.

[liverpoolkev]

So in 1 thread we're supposed to believe Sammy wanted to be here because he said so, but in this thread Beane is a liar because of 4 plays between a QB and wr who needed to get on the same page and only had 1 quarter to do so.

 

Whaley was a liar at the press conference fiasco, but maybe only in his intent, maybe not technically in his words.

 

Name a player, coach, of GM that made a controversial statement and a good portion of people will believe they're a liar.

 

We like to believe people when they say what we want to hear or agree with and call them liars when they don't. Chances are, most of what they're telling the media is a giant shade of gray.

This is so simple.......... The league know we have a novice at GM and they are taking advantage of him. This front office is a joke and I see the problem is the Pelugas everyone they wanted turns out to be straight garbage..... Starting with sexy rex.....Hue Jackson thought he had the job before Peluga picked Rex.....who by himself destroyed a top three defense...........Now Jorden Matthew is hurt ........it wont be too long before the rest of our talent get plucked away. The league see our gm/coaching team don't have a clue

[Last Guy on the Bench]

One of the reasons that the foot injury hurts Watkins a little more than other WRs is how quick and hard he makes his stops, cuts and his breaks. They are noticeably different than everyone else on the team. It's the reason he can get wide open on a seven yard out pass, and one of the many reasons why he is unstoppable when healthy.

 

If I were the Rams and about to make that trade I think those four plays would seal the deal for me that he is 100% healthy.

Really? I'm sure you're right about what makes him special. But If I were the Rams I would ask to see practice footage, and I would have my doctors and coaches have a look at him after that (the typical conditional part of a trade). It just seems too haphazard to rely on a preseason game.

 

Especially from the Bills point of view. We're going to "showcase" him the first few plays of the very first live action of the year? Hell, those plays might turn into disasters (sacks, miscommunications, etc.). No guarantee that you can ever really showcase a wide receiver. If I'm Beane trying to convince the Rams about his health, I just send them a bunch of practice footage of Sammy running routes and cutting on that foot.

 

Preseason games are too unpredictable and random to be used strategically in this way. Again, maybe if you are talking about playing a UDFA for the whole second half or something, so people can get some game film on him. But there is plenty of game film on Sammy Watkins.

 

I do agree that "not telling" McD until after that game seems bizarre. That one's hard to swallow.

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

I thought this concept deserves its own thread. Perhaps MODS don't. You decide.

 

Brandon Beane, who for the most part I very much like, even though I hated the trades, said on WGR I believe that he never discussed the trade possibilities with Opie until AFTER the game against the Vikings. He never brought it up.

 

That means they weren't auditioning Sammy for the Rams or the other three teams that expressed interest by the first four plays all going to Watkins.

 

Frankly, I find that very hard to believe on both counts. That he hadn't discussed the trade with McDermott, and that it was just coincidence that four plays in a row out of a possible four went to SW.

 

Now granted, everyone knows that what GMs say to the press and public have to be taken with grain of salt. But he didn't at all have to say it this way, and went out of his way, AFTER the trade, to say that Opie knew nothing about it, and it wasn't an audition. And Sammy even says he thinks it was.

 

That really makes me, personally, not believe Beane for the first time, early in his tenure. And it will take some time to make me believe he is being forthright with the press and the fans. Not a good way to start, and it seems like it was an unforced error.

 

So, do you believe Beane that he never discussed the trade before the Vikes game AND the four straight passes to Sammy were just coincidence? Or that Beane lied about it? And can you think of a good reason why he would lie about this particular thing.

 

The "auditioning" comment was from some pissed off poster here who was talking out of his ***

[Kelly the Dog]

This is what Peter King said about it this morning...

 

"Interestingly, Beane didn’t tell McDermott about his tentative deal with the Rams before their game against Minnesota. Imagine the Rams’ shock when, on the first four plays of the game on offense for Buffalo, Tyrod Taylor threw to Watkins. Beane wanted McDermott, in his first game as coach, not to be shackled but rather to be able to use his 90 players the way he saw fit. They didn’t discuss the chance for the trade until after the game."

[BillsfanAZ]

Beane is not going to trade anyone without McD knowing about it. I am sure McD knew there were teams interested in Watkins as well as other players. If McD loved Darby, I am sure he would be pissed if he got traded out from under him. McD may not have known that all the details got worked out until after the game. Also Taylor didnt have to go to Watkins every pass. He could have spread it around. Taylor may have wanted Sammy to test that foot.

[SoCal Deek]

Do some of you people actually think that YOU are running the Team...because you are not. Social Media is going to be the death of this country yet. While you may like what the Bills did with the trade, the pre-season game, or the post trade press conference...you don't get a vote and you are not owed a pre-trade explanation.

 

Neither the Bills GM nor the President of United States has to run every decision they are about to make by everyone on Facebook first until they reach consensus. Relax!

[fridge]

I thought this concept deserves its own thread. Perhaps MODS don't. You decide...

 

Very possible that we needed to showcase Watkins to prove he's healthy and ready to go before LA would agree to any trade.

 

Beane lied. You did a good job of describing why. There ain't no way in heck that he pulled the trigger on a trade like that without a lot of discussions with McDermott, and the timing just doesn't work out for any other explanation.

 

The bigger issue... is this a problem? I'm inclined to say that it's not, but I am not giving these guys the benefit of the doubt at all. A lot of people are saying things like, "of course he lied," but I see no reason to do so. He could have just declined to comment on the timeline. One thing I do know... there's no way to spin this trade as helping out the team "now".

Edited August 14, 2017 by fridge

[GG]

I could be wrong but I thought he may have been aware that there were four teams that had called and asked about Watkins, and that McD knew about that. But he didn't know about LA's recent offer or that any trade was imminent and that Sammy's action in the game had zero to do with any trade offer, meaning McD didn't know of the LA offer so there was no showcasing whatsoever.

 

Why can't it be in the middle -

 

McD was in the room when Bills declined Sammy's 5th year option, Beane was not

McD knew that Sammy was not in Bills long term plans

McD knew there was growing interest in Sammy from several teams, and that a near-term deal was possible

McD probably didn't know the specifics of the Rams offer on Thursday night before the game

McD showcased Sammy to all prospective bidders on Thursday night

[Big C]

I'm sure Beane mentioned some trade possibilities throughout the off-season and McD was aware that Sammy could be traded, but I believe that Brand didn't really get into specifics with him and the Pegulas until after the game. Namely the parameters as well as the coinciding Darby trade. So it's it's not a lie, but it doesn't tell the whole story.

[fridge]

 

Why can't it be in the middle -

 

McD was in the room when Bills declined Sammy's 5th year option, Beane was not

McD knew that Sammy was not in Bills long term plans

McD knew there was growing interest in Sammy from several teams, and that a near-term deal was possible

McD probably didn't know the specifics of the Rams offer on Thursday night before the game

McD showcased Sammy to all prospective bidders on Thursday night

 

I've thought about all of that, and I definitely think that McDermott may have completely underestimated Sammy Watkins' ability. I get it, he's been hurt, but it seems like McDermott made up his mind back in the offseason while Watkins was still recovering.

[MAJBobby]

And if he was or wasnt show cased who really cares?

[abc]

This is so simple.......... The league know we have a novice at GM and they are taking advantage of him. This front office is a joke and I see the problem is the Pelugas everyone they wanted turns out to be straight garbage..... Starting with sexy rex.....Hue Jackson thought he had the job before Peluga picked Rex.....who by himself destroyed a top three defense...........Now Jorden Matthew is hurt ........it wont be too long before the rest of our talent get plucked away. The league see our gm/coaching team don't have a clue

Insightful stuff here!

[dwight in philly]

I thought this concept deserves its own thread. Perhaps MODS don't. You decide.

 

Brandon Beane, who for the most part I very much like, even though I hated the trades, said on WGR I believe that he never discussed the trade possibilities with Opie until AFTER the game against the Vikings. He never brought it up.

 

That means they weren't auditioning Sammy for the Rams or the other three teams that expressed interest by the first four plays all going to Watkins.

 

Frankly, I find that very hard to believe on both counts. That he hadn't discussed the trade with McDermott, and that it was just coincidence that four plays in a row out of a possible four went to SW.

 

Now granted, everyone knows that what GMs say to the press and public have to be taken with grain of salt. But he didn't at all have to say it this way, and went out of his way, AFTER the trade, to say that Opie knew nothing about it, and it wasn't an audition. And Sammy even says he thinks it was.

 

That really makes me, personally, not believe Beane for the first time, early in his tenure. And it will take some time to make me believe he is being forthright with the press and the fans. Not a good way to start, and it seems like it was an unforced error.

 

So, do you believe Beane that he never discussed the trade before the Vikes game AND the four straight passes to Sammy were just coincidence? Or that Beane lied about it? And can you think of a good reason why he would lie about this particular thing.

who is Opie?

[fridge]

And if he was or wasnt show cased who really cares?

 

I definitely don't care if they showcased him. I'm not even that concerned with how they've explained it, even if untrue, but I just think it's possible that they wildly underrated Watkins.

 

One thing that bothers me... if these guys can just showcase him at will like that, then how come we never really did that his whole career?

[MAJBobby]

 

I definitely don't care if they showcased him. I'm not even that concerned with how they've explained it, even if untrue, but I just think it's possible that they wildly underrated Watkins.

 

One thing that bothers me... if these guys can just showcase him at will like that, then how come we never really did that his whole career?

I personally think they did to show the foot healthy. However there still is something wrong with that foot.

 

There are grumbling out of OBD about ir and if you watch him run routes there still is something going on there.