Coach Tuesday Posted August 14, 2017 Share Posted August 14, 2017 This sentence. Anyone with a season ticket should be outraged that they dog and ponied until they got their money. I think I would be less mad if Watkins was traded months ago. They are just killing loyal blue collar fans. Who then line up and say please sir may I have another. I moved at the start of the month and found my certificate for 5 years of seasons from 2009. I originally got tickets in 04 because I thought they would be good again soon and it would be fun. 5 years later I couldn't convince people to make the 2.5 hour trek each way and waste a Sunday on what is probably my favorite activity. In 09 we gave up our 4 tickets and said we would get them again after they made the playoffs. Almost a decade later and it still hasn't happened. We still got together every Sunday no matter what up until 2-3 years ago. Now I'm lucky if we catch 4 games together. I hope these trades work out for the team because I think the Bills are about all out of goodwill. They play the offseason so well for this fanbase: sell hope beginning in February, ratchet up the enthusiasm leading up to the draft, market the new faces like crazy to maximize ticket sales, then start cutting losses in July and August. Folks are so drunk on game day and so used to the losing that they barely care or notice being separated from their wallets, and they climb right back in line as soon as the playoffs are over. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wayne Cubed Posted August 14, 2017 Share Posted August 14, 2017 Rex Ryan had gone to AFC Championships from within the division......including THRU the Patriots once. He was a bad hire because they ignored why he was fired in NY in the first place......he got lazy. Pegulas gonna' Pegul. McDermott and Beane are just two nobodies with clean slates......an overreaction to their initial poor judgement with the Ryan hire. I just don't get why they get the benefit of the doubt? Why should we trust that they are making the correct decisions? AND WHY GET RID OF YOUNG TALENT?!?! That's the part that upsets me the most. Young, proven talent and they dump it for draft picks. And spare me on the injuries, ODB missed 28 of his first 32 games, Sammy missed 29 of 32. Its football, injuries happen. Look around the league. It's funny but fans like to point to the Pats and how they get rid of players, what I find hilarious is, they have actually changed how they view the draft. Read an article a while ago about how Belichick now prefers to obtain known talent. With the new CBA there just aren't enough reps to go around and it's hard to determine what you have with some draft picks. So he just goes after players have proven themselves in the league. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted August 14, 2017 Share Posted August 14, 2017 I'm most concerned with what this "off-field issue" could be Especially since Dareus was mentioned too? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GG Posted August 14, 2017 Share Posted August 14, 2017 Rex Ryan had gone to AFC Championships from within the division......including THRU the Patriots once. He was a bad hire because they ignored why he was fired in NY in the first place......he got lazy. Pegulas gonna' Pegul. McDermott and Beane are just two nobodies with clean slates......an overreaction to their initial poor judgement with the Ryan hire. How about letting these two nobodies prove something before letting them gut the roster? Then by your standard nobody outside Belichick was worthy of a hire, because everyone else is a nobody or an over-hyped retread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted August 14, 2017 Author Share Posted August 14, 2017 Especially since Dareus was mentioned too? uh oh - drag racing? Is there a Mongolian BBQ in Roch? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted August 14, 2017 Share Posted August 14, 2017 Rex Ryan had gone to AFC Championships from within the division......including THRU the Patriots once. He was a bad hire because they ignored why he was fired in NY in the first place......he got lazy. Pegulas gonna' Pegul. McDermott and Beane are just two nobodies with clean slates......an overreaction to their initial poor judgement with the Ryan hire. How about letting these two nobodies prove something before letting them gut the roster? ....they shoulda just hired you instead.....good Lord, the comedy starts and it's only Monday......where is parental control when it is MOST needed?............... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo716 Posted August 14, 2017 Share Posted August 14, 2017 Thank you for stating better than I could my point. Now I'm here agreeing with you and Badol. What have the Bills done to me. I knew the Bills weren't challenging the Patriots. I gave up on that a few years ago. However I enjoy TT and McCoy because they are entertaining players. They make the highlight plays. Sammy was one of those guys too. Talking football might be more enjoyable than any other part for me. Now I don't want to talk football. I haven't gotten to talk friendly trash in almost 20 years! In the back of my mind is Colin Cowherd saying bad teams are bad because their fans allow it. We continue to support a sub par entertainment product and for what? Which leads me to... Ralph held the fans hostage for the last many years he owned the team. The Toronto series, the low spending on coaches, not re-signing talented players, etc. were moves designed to help the bottom line. The Bills of the 2000s are a direct result of his ownership. He constantly hung the threat of moving over the fans head to get them to fork over for a subpar product. I'm glad he did what he did to keep the Bills in Buffalo but we can't pretend it was all done with the best of intentions. Yes that was the later part of his life. We struggled in the 2000s , look at our QB depth chart. That's why we were very bad. But when we had talent, he was never cheap. When the salary cap first started our team was already old and Ralph still had pretty good teams Up til 04 when we were 9-7. He ponied up because we still were close 05-12 on the other hand was very hard to watch. No body hated him when we had the juice and the electric company or when we had AFL titles. Football goes in ebbs and flows Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magox Posted August 14, 2017 Share Posted August 14, 2017 The hysterics is off the charts. Btw, anyone know what the "off field" issue was? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill from NYC Posted August 14, 2017 Share Posted August 14, 2017 How many playoff games with Hughes? How many times has this clown basically sabotaged a game with his hot head? Your not talking JJ Watt talent here. You know, I am not going to assign the bulk of the blame for the lack for the lack of playoff appearances on Hughes, but I readily admit that you do raise an interesting point. Good post. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted August 14, 2017 Share Posted August 14, 2017 I just don't get why they get the benefit of the doubt? Why should we trust that they are making the correct decisions? AND WHY GET RID OF YOUNG TALENT?!?! That's the part that upsets me the most. Young, proven talent and they dump it for draft picks. And spare me on the injuries, ODB missed 28 of his first 32 games, Sammy missed 29 of 32. Its football, injuries happen. Look around the league. It's funny but fans like to point to the Pats and how they get rid of players, what I find hilarious is, they have actually changed how they view the draft. Read an article a while ago about how Belichick now prefers to obtain known talent. With the new CBA there just aren't enough reps to go around and it's hard to determine what you have with some draft picks. So he just goes after players have proven themselves in the league. Huh. Pats had 9 draft picks in 2014, 11 in 2015, 9 in 2016 after the loss of a 1st round. That's a lot o' stockpiling draft picks for a team that "now prefers known talent" to draftees. Me, I think the Hoodie goes for value always. Draft picks are always the best value if they pan out, but the Pats drafts haven't been all that great recently. Second best is sniping up "undervalued" players from other teams or the FA scrap heap. Hoodie can hire all the coaching assistants he wants to evaluate those picks. I do agree with you on the "why get rid of young talent?" thing. I especially hate all the "Darby not a fit for scheme" talk (see other post about SonOfBum's take on that) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
section122 Posted August 14, 2017 Share Posted August 14, 2017 Yes that was the later part of his life. We struggled in the 2000s , look at our QB depth chart. That's why we were very bad. But when we had talent, he was never cheap. When the salary cap first started our team was already old and Ralph still had pretty good teams Up til 04 when we were 9-7. He ponied up because we still were close 05-12 on the other hand was very hard to watch. No body hated him when we had the juice and the electric company or when we had AFL titles. Football goes in ebbs and flows My first year watching was Ronnie Harmon dropping the ball in the end zone. I don't remember anything before that so I won't speak on it but what about 0 for the 70s against the Fins? The Bills historically are 414-475. If you take out the 1 time the team was successful in the NFL from 88-93 they are 344-449. 10 times in the history of the Bills have they finished in 1st place and 6 of them happened in 8 seasons. That isn't ebb and flow that is toilet bowl. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wayne Cubed Posted August 14, 2017 Share Posted August 14, 2017 Huh. Pats had 9 draft picks in 2014, 11 in 2015, 9 in 2016 after the loss of a 1st round. That's a lot o' stockpiling draft picks for a team that "now prefers known talent" to draftees. Me, I think the Hoodie goes for value always. Draft picks are always the best value if they pan out, but the Pats drafts haven't been all that great recently. Second best is sniping up "undervalued" players from other teams or the FA scrap heap. Hoodie can hire all the coaching assistants he wants to evaluate those picks. I do agree with you on the "why get rid of young talent?" thing. I especially hate all the "Darby not a fit for scheme" talk (see other post about SonOfBum's take on that) I'm just relaying what I read. But if I had to guess its about depth. They use the draft to fill out depth positions and if they find players that's a bonus. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted August 14, 2017 Share Posted August 14, 2017 Note to self: This isn't fan bashing. I have my things with Badol, but honesty compels me to point out that context matters, and you edited out the "inability to understand the value of talent" part, and he kind of has a point there - how many "why don't we trade (unsigned pending FA Byrd) for a first round pick and two thirds?" or posts proposing we cut a player that would cause us to take a humondulous accelerated cap hit, have you read in times past? I'm just relaying what I read. But if I had to guess its about depth. They use the draft to fill out depth positions and if they find players that's a bonus. That'd be any winning team, Wayne^3. Winning teams typically have an established roster (that's how they win) and use the draftees/FA fill in just a couple holes and to challenge for the occasional roster spot. That said, in 2016 the Pats** started a rookie LG and 2 2nd year OLmen/1 2nd year DLman - 1 of them UDFA who started in 2015 as a rookie. Then there's Malcolm Butler. I would say based on their roster, they have a lot of homegrown talent so the draft is still important to the Pats talent pipeline. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo716 Posted August 14, 2017 Share Posted August 14, 2017 (edited) My first year watching was Ronnie Harmon dropping the ball in the end zone. I don't remember anything before that so I won't speak on it but what about 0 for the 70s against the Fins? The Bills historically are 414-475. If you take out the 1 time the team was successful in the NFL from 88-93 they are 344-449. 10 times in the history of the Bills have they finished in 1st place and 6 of them happened in 8 seasons. That isn't ebb and flow that is toilet bowl.We were very good in the afl and when it merged we were past prime. We had OJ and the electric company. The Phins were phenomenal and it was rough in the 70s. But we werent like the browns. Then when we got another QB we were solid for pretty much a decade The worst era was the 70s by far and we still had some 9 win teams. We are just stuck in mediocrity this century Edited August 14, 2017 by Buffalo716 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted August 14, 2017 Share Posted August 14, 2017 ....they shoulda just hired you instead.....good Lord, the comedy starts and it's only Monday......where is parental control when it is MOST needed?............... Oh, please. It's not needed for Badol. If you disagree with him, just own it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill from NYC Posted August 14, 2017 Share Posted August 14, 2017 I have my things with Badol, but honesty compels me to point out that context matters, and you edited out the "inability to understand the value of talent" part, and he kind of has a point there - how many "why don't we trade (unsigned pending FA Byrd) for a first round pick and two thirds?" or posts proposing we cut a player that would cause us to take a humondulous accelerated cap hit, have you read in times past? That'd be any winning team, Wayne^3. Winning teams typically have an established roster (that's how they win) and use the draftees/FA fill in just a couple holes and to challenge for the occasional roster spot. That said, in 2016 the Pats** started a rookie LG and 2 2nd year OLmen/1 2nd year DLman - 1 of them UDFA who started in 2015 as a rookie. Then there's Malcolm Butler. I would say based on their roster, they have a lot of homegrown talent so the draft is still important to the Pats talent pipeline. It is good to see you and others acknowledge that BADOL really does know what he is talking about. I don't always agree with him.....in fact I was furious when Whaley gave away the store for Sammy. Still, he doesn't just say s@#t. His posts are all intelligent and well thought. ....they shoulda just hired you instead.....good Lord, the comedy starts and it's only Monday......where is parental control when it is MOST needed?............... A word of advice for you, a new poster.....why don't you jot down each instance in which you disagree with Badol. Then, get back to that list later on and see who was correct. You would be much more informed if you engaged him in constructive dialogue. Up to you Bro. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted August 14, 2017 Share Posted August 14, 2017 (edited) We were very good in the afl and when it merged we were past prime. We had OJ and the electric company. The Phins were phenomenal and it was rough in the 70s. But we werent like the browns. Then when we got another QB we were solid for pretty much a decade The worst era was the 70s by far and we still had some 9 win teams. We are just stuck in mediocrity this century ...I probably should go back and review the actual history before going from memory......but I think the Lou Saban exodus really soured RW and he tried to coast through the 70's and 80's as the "absentee owner from Detroit" which drew mucho ire...sat back and watched his 25K investment grow instead and got the "cheapskate moniker"....he evolved in the 90's, spent $$$ which yielded four consecutive SB trips.....sure, all for naught....but I think he began to enjoy ownership more and saw the club as more than an investment...just a thought.......... It is good to see you and others acknowledge that BADOL really does know what he is talking about. I don't always agree with him.....in fact I was furious when Whaley gave away the store for Sammy. Still, he doesn't just say s@#t. His posts are all intelligent and well thought. A word of advice for you, a new poster.....why don't you jot down each instance in which you disagree with Badol. Then, get back to that list later on and see who was correct. You would be much more informed if you engaged him in constructive dialogue. Up to you Bro. ....can't....WELL beyond my pay grade and intelligence level......will anoint you as my surrogate..... Edited August 14, 2017 by OldTimeAFLGuy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo716 Posted August 14, 2017 Share Posted August 14, 2017 ...I probably should go back and review the actual history before going from memory......but I think the Lou Saban exodus really soured RW and he tried to coast through the 70's and 80's as the "absentee owner from Detroit" which drew mucho ire...sat back and watched his 25K investment grow instead and got the "cheapskate moniker"....he evolved in the 90's, spent $$$ which yielded four consecutive SB trips.....sure, all for naught....but I think he began to enjoy ownership more and saw the club as more than an investment...just a thought.......... That was a long time ago for sure! And I agree that he got better as time went by... him and Lou definitely had their problems Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Miner Posted August 14, 2017 Share Posted August 14, 2017 It is good to see you and others acknowledge that BADOL really does know what he is talking about. I don't always agree with him.....in fact I was furious when Whaley gave away the store for Sammy. Still, he doesn't just say s@#t. His posts are all intelligent and well thought. A word of advice for you, a new poster.....why don't you jot down each instance in which you disagree with Badol. Then, get back to that list later on and see who was correct. You would be much more informed if you engaged him in constructive dialogue. Up to you Bro. Rarely does Badol want to engage in constructive dialogue. He may know football, but interpersonal communication is far more important, and on this site he's woefully ignorant in that regard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill from NYC Posted August 14, 2017 Share Posted August 14, 2017 ....can't....WELL beyond my pay grade and intelligence level......will anoint you as my surrogate..... OK, that was funny!!! Stick around, you will see what I was talking about. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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