Andrew Luck not ready to start regular season

[BringBackOrton]

 

It factors everything in. There isn't a QB on that list you sit back and say Luck is absolutely the better choice. There are QB's on that list who are unquestionably the pick over Luck. There are only a few that are a valid debate, and in those cases I still choose them over Luck.

 

These QB's have either flat out done/accomplished more, proven themselves more, or are currently ascending during a time Luck is descending and has availability issues. The 3 future studs of the NFL QB circle are going to be Carr, Mariota, and Winston IMO.

 

So given you laughed 3 times, why don't you fill us in on who on that list is so funny to choose over Luck as you make it sound like the whole list is bad.

 

I can tell you that anyone who puts him ahead of Bress, Brady, Ryan, or Rodgers needs their head examined and doesn't know what they are talking about.

Anyone who puts him ahead of guys who are proven winners like Ben and Wilson are crazy IMO.

Anyone who puts him ahead of guys like Stafford and Rivers havent been paying attention to how good those guys have been for much longer.

 

I can see if people want to debate guys like Cousins and Cam, but they have done quite a bit more than Luck these last 2 years, and I will take their potential and more recent resume over what Luck did 3 years ago in what was then a weak division. Plus Cam has made the big dance despite missing his best WR for the season.

 

Then you have the other young buck trio of Carr, Mariota, and Winston. If you don't know how good they are, you might not be paying attention. Carr was a legit MVP candidate before the injury. Mariota was the most productive QB in the entire NFL last year between weeks 3-12 before he broke his leg and making his own sleeper MVP rumbles. Winston is a rapidly ascending and substantially talented QB and leader on the field. You want to argue for Luck over them, be my guest...but all 3 of those guys are seriously ascending while Luck has been descending and I would rather bet on their futures than Lucks at this point IMO.

Stafford is up and down yearly.

 

Rivers, of whom I'm admittedly a fan of, just had statistically one of his worst years of his career.

 

You're holding a year of Luck being hurt against him. Luck was leagues above Cam last season. Luck was leagues above Cousins last season too. Luck was leagues above Winston and Mariota last season too. Carr is a debate, which I fairly admit.

 

He was hurt in 2015. He took his team to the AFCCG in 2014. He has never had a losing record when he plays more than half a season. He's never lost more than 7 games in a season ever.

 

I know you think he's "overrated" by some, so you take ridiculous stances, but Luck is better than Cam, Cousins, Winston and Mariota and every single one of those GM's would trade their guy for him barring injury status.

[4merper4mer]

 

 

I know you think he's "overrated" by some, so you take ridiculous stances,

 

 

If you think Kim Jung QB is anything less than perfect, you are taking a ridiculous stance. Do I have that right?

[BringBackOrton]

 

 

If you think Kim Jung QB is anything less than perfect, you are taking a ridiculous stance. Do I have that right?

No. Anymore questions?

[4merper4mer]

No. Anymore questions?

 

 

Not really. But I'm sure you can understand why I came to that conclusion as any critique of Luck whatsoever is met by you with the vitriol of a mother bear. My impression was further solidified when you called Alpha's observations and opinions "ridiculous stances" in much the same manner a North Korean citizen would be if he were to suggest that Kim Jung Un might not really be able to shoot an 18 during a round of golf.

[BringBackOrton]

 

 

Not really. But I'm sure you can understand why I came to that conclusion as any critique of Luck whatsoever is met by you with the vitriol of a mother bear. My impression was further solidified when you called Alpha's observations and opinions "ridiculous stances" in much the same manner a North Korean citizen would be if he were to suggest that Kim Jung Un might not really be able to shoot an 18 during a round of golf.

 

While I get we still have question marks at our QB position, I would take our situation right now every single time over the Colts.

 

What an apt comparison. Clearly calling this "opinion" ridiculous makes me a KGB officer in waiting.

 

[Alphadawg7]

Stafford is up and down yearly.

 

Rivers, of whom I'm admittedly a fan of, just had statistically one of his worst years of his career.

 

You're holding a year of Luck being hurt against him. Luck was leagues above Cam last season. Luck was leagues above Cousins last season too. Luck was leagues above Winston and Mariota last season too. Carr is a debate, which I fairly admit.

 

He was hurt in 2015. He took his team to the AFCCG in 2014. He has never had a losing record when he plays more than half a season. He's never lost more than 7 games in a season ever.

 

I know you think he's "overrated" by some, so you take ridiculous stances, but Luck is better than Cam, Cousins, Winston and Mariota and every single one of those GM's would trade their guy for him barring injury status.

 

Ok, so this is exactly what I am talking about...you literally don't even know what you are saying and just saying nonsense. First off, Cousins finished THIRD in the NFL last year among all QBs and guess who was NOT above Cousins...Luck, who only missed ONE game last year.

 

Second, Mariota has almost identical numbers to Luck, except he has 25% less turnovers than Luck and slightly less yards per game because Tenn also has a great run game. Mariota also has less talented WR's last year than Luck had who has a top 10 guy in TY Hilton.

 

Winston, also has similar numbers across the board to Luck, except he is one of the few QBs to turn the ball over more than Luck, but it was also his SECOND year compared to Lucks FIFTH year.

 

So for you to say he was light years above any of them is BEYOND absurd. I actually don't have an issue if you think Luck is better than either of those 3, its to the absurd nonsense levels you take things about it that is ridiculous. To say any of them was light years behind Luck is so stupid I question my own sanity for even bothering to respond to it.

 

I do find it interesting that you keep running back to THREE years ago to defend Luck on what he did in 2014. Hey do ask RG3 about what he did way back when how much that means today. And you can blame injuries all you want, but Luck missed ONE game last year...ONE, its not like it cost him his whole season.

 

Funny thing is, I think Luck is a good QB, however, I don't find him that attractive right now compared to the other young talents of the NFL between a combo of 4 key reasons: Turnovers, Injuries, personal steep drop off against better teams, and Contract.

[GoBills808]

 

Ok, so this is exactly what I am talking about...you literally don't even know what you are saying and just saying nonsense. First off, Cousins finished THIRD in the NFL last year among all QBs and guess who was NOT above Cousins...Luck, who only missed ONE game last year.

 

Second, Mariota has almost identical numbers to Luck, except he has 25% less turnovers than Luck and slightly less yards per game because Tenn also has a great run game. Mariota also has less talented WR's last year than Luck had who has a top 10 guy in TY Hilton.

 

Winston, also has similar numbers across the board to Luck, except he is one of the few QBs to turn the ball over more than Luck, but it was also his SECOND year compared to Lucks FIFTH year.

 

So for you to say he was light years above any of them is BEYOND absurd. I actually don't have an issue if you think Luck is better than either of those 3, its to the absurd nonsense levels you take things about it that is ridiculous. To say any of them was light years behind Luck is so stupid I question my own sanity for even bothering to respond to it.

 

I do find it interesting that you keep running back to THREE years ago to defend Luck on what he did in 2014. Hey do ask RG3 about what he did way back when how much that means today. And you can blame injuries all you want, but Luck missed ONE game last year...ONE, its not like it cost him his whole season.

 

Funny thing is, I think Luck is a good QB, however, I don't find him that attractive right now compared to the other young talents of the NFL between a combo of 4 key reasons: Turnovers, Injuries, personal steep drop off against better teams, and Contract.

I can agree with some of this. I don't think TY Hilton is a top 10 receiver, however.

[Alphadawg7]

 

 

What an apt comparison. Clearly calling this "opinion" ridiculous makes me a KGB officer in waiting.

 

 

GEEZUS YOU ARE DENSE. Why don't you share the context of that statement? Oh because then you don't get to manipulate it to be something that its not...so let me help you out.

 

I said I would rather be in a situation where we are right now: Fresh regime rebuilding and loaded with draft assets to go after the QB that this regime wants in the next draft while also not stuck in any hefty QB contract currently...COMPARED to the Colts who are LOCKED into a MASSIVE contract that is cap choking and tied to a QB who has REAL durability questions and after 5 years has yet to prove he can carry a bad team anywhere or protect the ball properly.

 

But, if you provide all that context then you of course lose your ability to pretend I am saying some kind of support statement of Taylor over Luck which is categorically not true. Player to Player, I take Luck 1000000 times over Taylor. But, as I have said in this thread 100 times, I think Lucks contract is terrible based on his mistakes, injury history, and size and I don't want to be in that situation with any player.

I can agree with some of this. I don't think TY Hilton is a top 10 receiver, however.

 

i actually personally agree with you on that, he finished 10th in the NFL last year though, so I had to reference him to his performance. He's a big or bust kind of player IMO and while I think is definitely at top 20 guy, maybe top 15, I could list 10 WRs I would prefer over him that just are more complete IMO.

[GoBills808]

 

i actually personally agree with you on that, he finished 10th in the NFL last year though, so I had to reference him to his performance. He's a big or bust kind of player IMO and while I think is definitely at top 20 guy, maybe top 15, I could list 10 WRs I would prefer over him that just are more complete IMO.

I like lists...let's see, off the top of my head who I'd take over Hilton:

 

Beckham JR

Antonio Brown

Mike Evans

Julio Jones

AJ Green

Dez

Amari Cooper

D. Thomas

Allen Robinson

Hopkins

Stephon Diggs...

 

maybe:

 

Landry

Fitzgerald

Marshall

 

...yeah, I put him in that 15-20 category. I think he benefits from Luck more than the other way around personally.

[BringBackOrton]

 

Ok, so this is exactly what I am talking about...you literally don't even know what you are saying and just saying nonsense. First off, Cousins finished THIRD in the NFL last year among all QBs and guess who was NOT above Cousins...Luck, who only missed ONE game last year.

 

Second, Mariota has almost identical numbers to Luck, except he has 25% less turnovers than Luck and slightly less yards per game because Tenn also has a great run game. Mariota also has less talented WR's last year than Luck had who has a top 10 guy in TY Hilton.

 

Winston, also has similar numbers across the board to Luck, except he is one of the few QBs to turn the ball over more than Luck, but it was also his SECOND year compared to Lucks FIFTH year.

 

So for you to say he was light years above any of them is BEYOND absurd. I actually don't have an issue if you think Luck is better than either of those 3, its to the absurd nonsense levels you take things about it that is ridiculous. To say any of them was light years behind Luck is so stupid I question my own sanity for even bothering to respond to it.

 

I do find it interesting that you keep running back to THREE years ago to defend Luck on what he did in 2014. Hey do ask RG3 about what he did way back when how much that means today. And you can blame injuries all you want, but Luck missed ONE game last year...ONE, its not like it cost him his whole season.

 

Funny thing is, I think Luck is a good QB, however, I don't find him that attractive right now compared to the other young talents of the NFL between a combo of 4 key reasons: Turnovers, Injuries, personal steep drop off against better teams, and Contract.

What did Cousins finish third in?

 

Mariota had a worse passer rating, a worse QBR, less comebacks, less gamewinning drives, less yards and 5 less TD's. So that's that.

 

Winston had a worse passer rating, a worse QBR, less comebacks, less gamewinning drives, less yards, and 4 less TD's. So there's that.

 

He's clearly better than them both. I like them both, Winston more than Mariota. But he's clearly better.

 

I "run back" to 3 years ago because it's relevant. You handwave Cam being absolutely awful last year and "run back" to two years ago to take him over Luck.

 

I was talking about the injuries in 2015. Not 2016.

 

 

 

GEEZUS YOU ARE DENSE. Why don't you share the context of that statement? Oh because then you don't get to manipulate it to be something that its not...so let me help you out.

 

I said I would rather be in a situation where we are right now: Fresh regime rebuilding and loaded with draft assets to go after the QB that this regime wants in the next draft while also not stuck in any hefty QB contract currently...COMPARED to the Colts who are LOCKED into a MASSIVE contract that is cap choking and tied to a QB who has REAL durability questions and after 5 years has yet to prove he can carry a bad team anywhere or protect the ball properly.

 

But, if you provide all that context then you of course lose your ability to pretend I am saying some kind of support statement of Taylor over Luck which is categorically not true. Player to Player, I take Luck 1000000 times over Taylor. But, as I have said in this thread 100 times, I think Lucks contract is terrible based on his mistakes, injury history, and size and I don't want to be in that situation with any player.

 

i actually personally agree with you on that, he finished 10th in the NFL last year though, so I had to reference him to his performance. He's a big or bust kind of player IMO and while I think is definitely at top 20 guy, maybe top 15, I could list 10 WRs I would prefer over him that just are more complete IMO.

We know the context. It's still insane. A good QB with potential >> a middling talent team with no QB. Draft assets to take a QB with a 25% chance at best to even be as good as Luck currently. Bizzaro.

 

How can we say Luck can't "carry" a team? What does that mean? How do you define "carry?"

Edited September 1, 2017 by jmc12290

[3rdand12]

Irsay is remaining to appear drugged, and not that sharp either.

[GunnerBill]

The problem with Alpha's argument on Luck is there is no consistency to it. The list of QBs he has produced as being better there is no consistency to.

 

One minute he is saying Rivers and Stafford are better because they have proven it on an NFL field over a period of time. Then he is saying Mariota and Winston are better despite the fact they haven't proved it because he'd rather be with their potential.

 

He says he would take proven winners like Russell and Ben but then puts Stafford and Cousins with their zero playoff wins combined above Luck who is 3-3, has played in an AFC Championship, led his team back for one of the biggest come behind wins in playoff history and has done something even Tom Brady never has - won a playoff game in Denver.

 

It comes down to a "I don't rate Andrew Luck" gut reaction. And that is fine. I won't yet put Kirk Cousins in the franchise category despite his numbers saying he is more than a game manager because when I watch him play my instinctive gut feeling is "this guy is just a good game manager."

 

But the playoff argument is flawed, the weak division argument is flawed (Houston but for one disastrous year when Schaub's arm fell off and Kubiak was ill have been a consistent playoff contender during Luck's career and a top defensive unit) and the list is flawed.

 

That isn't to say I am particularly down on any of those QBs he listed. I have been a big defender of Stafford and Rivers on this board and would gladly take either here even with their "bloated" contracts. I am also a huge fan of Winston and Mariota who will break the curse of QBs taken 1 and 2 always producing a dud... but I can't have those 2 over Luck at this stage. He has simply proven more on an NFL field on Sundays.

 

Other than Mariota and Winston who might get there but aren't yet the only other two there that I do think it is crazy to put above Luck are Cousins and Cam. Neither is in his league. And to even mention Carson Wentz..... Wentz is closer to Jared Goff than Andrew Luck right now.

 

Luck is a top 10 QB. He is about to turn 28 and enter his prime. Whether you look at his numbers or watch his tape you conclude he has been a very good Quarterback in this league so far. Great? No. Potential to get to that point? Yes I still think he has.

[BringBackOrton]

The problem with Alpha's argument on Luck is there is no consistency to it. The list of QBs he has produced as being better there is no consistency to.

 

One minute he is saying Rivers and Stafford are better because they have proven it on an NFL field over a period of time. Then he is saying Mariota and Winston are better despite the fact they haven't proved it because he'd rather be with their potential.

 

He says he would take proven winners like Russell and Ben but then puts Stafford and Cousins with their zero playoff wins combined above Luck who is 3-3, has played in an AFC Championship, led his team back for one of the biggest come behind wins in playoff history and has done something even Tom Brady never has - won a playoff game in Denver.

 

It comes down to a "I don't rate Andrew Luck" gut reaction. And that is fine. I won't yet put Kirk Cousins in the franchise category despite his numbers saying he is more than a game manager because when I watch him play my instinctive gut feeling is "this guy is just a good game manager."

 

But the playoff argument is flawed, the weak division argument is flawed (Houston but for one disastrous year when Schaub's arm fell off and Kubiak was ill have been a consistent playoff contender during Luck's career and a top defensive unit) and the list is flawed.

 

That isn't to say I am particularly down on any of those QBs he listed. I have been a big defender of Stafford and Rivers on this board and would gladly take either here even with their "bloated" contracts. I am also a huge fan of Winston and Mariota who will break the curse of QBs taken 1 and 2 always producing a dud... but I can't have those 2 over Luck at this stage. He has simply proven more on an NFL field on Sundays.

 

Other than Mariota and Winston who might get there but aren't yet the only other two there that I do think it is crazy to put above Luck are Cousins and Cam. Neither is in his league. And to even mention Carson Wentz..... Wentz is closer to Jared Goff than Andrew Luck right now.

 

Luck is a top 10 QB. He is about to turn 28 and enter his prime. Whether you look at his numbers or watch his tape you conclude he has been a very good Quarterback in this league so far. Great? No. Potential to get to that point? Yes I still think he has.

Yep.

 

If you argue that you don't like Luck because he has a bloated contract and hasn't proven he can carry a team, and then say you'd take Phillip Rivers over Luck because he's "done it longer," you're just making things up as you go along.

 

And I'm a person who feels Rivers is criminally underrated. But that dude hasn't made the postseason since 2013. And he kinda choked with one of the most talented teams in NFL history versus the Jets.

Edited September 1, 2017 by jmc12290

[Alphadawg7]

The problem with Alpha's argument on Luck is there is no consistency to it. The list of QBs he has produced as being better there is no consistency to.

 

One minute he is saying Rivers and Stafford are better because they have proven it on an NFL field over a period of time. Then he is saying Mariota and Winston are better despite the fact they haven't proved it because he'd rather be with their potential.

 

He says he would take proven winners like Russell and Ben but then puts Stafford and Cousins with their zero playoff wins combined above Luck who is 3-3, has played in an AFC Championship, led his team back for one of the biggest come behind wins in playoff history and has done something even Tom Brady never has - won a playoff game in Denver.

 

It comes down to a "I don't rate Andrew Luck" gut reaction. And that is fine. I won't yet put Kirk Cousins in the franchise category despite his numbers saying he is more than a game manager because when I watch him play my instinctive gut feeling is "this guy is just a good game manager."

 

But the playoff argument is flawed, the weak division argument is flawed (Houston but for one disastrous year when Schaub's arm fell off and Kubiak was ill have been a consistent playoff contender during Luck's career and a top defensive unit) and the list is flawed.

 

That isn't to say I am particularly down on any of those QBs he listed. I have been a big defender of Stafford and Rivers on this board and would gladly take either here even with their "bloated" contracts. I am also a huge fan of Winston and Mariota who will break the curse of QBs taken 1 and 2 always producing a dud... but I can't have those 2 over Luck at this stage. He has simply proven more on an NFL field on Sundays.

 

Other than Mariota and Winston who might get there but aren't yet the only other two there that I do think it is crazy to put above Luck are Cousins and Cam. Neither is in his league. And to even mention Carson Wentz..... Wentz is closer to Jared Goff than Andrew Luck right now.

 

Luck is a top 10 QB. He is about to turn 28 and enter his prime. Whether you look at his numbers or watch his tape you conclude he has been a very good Quarterback in this league so far. Great? No. Potential to get to that point? Yes I still think he has.

 

Actually if you read my post, its a list of QBs who I would take over Luck.

 

I said I will take the upside of Winston, Carr, and Mariota who have far less experience and playing at a level not far behind Luck already compared to Luck being at SIX years now in the league, way too injury and mistake prone, and a cap killing contract.

 

Someone already asked me if "Injuries" were factored in, and I very clearly stated EVERYTHING is factored in.

 

And stat to stat comparison falls shot on many levels because of the makeup of the teams, offensive schemes, etc. Luck is a VOLUME passer, end of story. That means in a 16 game season he is more likely to compile more stat TOTALS, but that doesn't always mean he was the more effective and efficient QB.

 

But again, most importantly, my list are QB's who I would take THIS YEAR (as I said again in there already) over Luck to depend on in both the regular and post seasons...another area where in 6 games, Lucks post season resume has been SUBSTANTIALLY worse than his regular season stats that benefited a lot from his ease of schedule.

 

So the list isn't inconsistent, you guys just keep making your own conclusions outside the parameters I clearly stated multiple times. And I also stated there are some on the list that are indisputable to be better on the list, and others that are a viable discussion, but in those cases I leaned the OTHER way rather than Luck. I did NOT say they are categorically better, but based on all the reasons I provided I sided with them.

Yep.

 

If you argue that you don't like Luck because he has a bloated contract and hasn't proven he can carry a team, and then say you'd take Phillip Rivers over Luck because he's "done it longer," you're just making things up as you go along.

 

And I'm a person who feels Rivers is criminally underrated. But that dude hasn't made the postseason since 2013. And he kinda choked with one of the most talented teams in NFL history versus the Jets.

 

Except he didn't choke, the kicker and Shottenheimer cost the Chargers that game in the end. I was there.

 

Again...you also don't read...I specifically stated ALL FACTORS come into play...not just contract size. Durability. Mistakes. Playoffs. Potential. Experience. number of things...you pick one thing, and focus on it and ignore that stated all factors are considered when I made that list.

Edited September 1, 2017 by Alphadawg7

[GunnerBill]

So you admit the list is just confirmation bias?

 

You don't rate Luck so when it is just your opinion you will put guys above him. That's fine. But to say he is mythically overrated is a step further because you are then not just disagreeing with those who rate him you are commenting on their opinion.

[BringBackOrton]

 

Actually if you read my post, its a list of QBs who I would take over Luck.

 

I said I will take the upside of Winston, Carr, and Mariota who have far less experience and playing at a level not far behind Luck already compared to Luck being at SIX years now in the league, way too injury and mistake prone, and a cap killing contract.

 

Someone already asked me if "Injuries" were factored in, and I very clearly stated EVERYTHING is factored in.

 

And stat to stat comparison falls shot on many levels because of the makeup of the teams, offensive schemes, etc. Luck is a VOLUME passer, end of story. That means in a 16 game season he is more likely to compile more stat TOTALS, but that doesn't always mean he was the more effective and efficient QB.

 

But again, most importantly, my list are QB's who I would take THIS YEAR (as I said again in there already) over Luck to depend on in both the regular and post seasons...another area where in 6 games, Lucks post season resume has been SUBSTANTIALLY worse than his regular season stats that benefited a lot from his ease of schedule.

 

So the list isn't inconsistent, you guys just keep making your own conclusions outside the parameters I clearly stated multiple times. And I also stated there are some on the list that are indisputable to be better on the list, and others that are a viable discussion, but in those cases I leaned the OTHER way rather than Luck. I did NOT say they are categorically better, but based on all the reasons I provided I sided with them.

 

Except he didn't choke, the kicker and Shottenheimer cost the Chargers that game in the end. I was there.

 

Again...you also don't read...I specifically stated ALL FACTORS come into play...not just contract size. Durability. Mistakes. Playoffs. Potential. Experience. number of things...you pick one thing, and focus on it and ignore that stated all factors are considered when I made that list.

You're cherry picking, that's why. You can't say you'd take Winston over Luck because of potential, Cam over Luck because he went to a Super Bowl once, and Rivers over Luck because experience. It makes no sense. Luck has more potential than Cam and Rivers. He has more experience than Winston. And he's gone further in the playoffs than Winston and Rivers.

 

What you're REALLY doing is taking one thing that in your mind those QB's have over Luck, and claiming that the other factors (which you had just argued in favor of for another QB) don't matter. Then you say they do matter in another circumstance, because they fit your argument that X QB is better than Luck.

 

It's an argument accurately summed up as "all over the place."

Edited September 1, 2017 by jmc12290

[Alphadawg7]

I like lists...let's see, off the top of my head who I'd take over Hilton:

 

Beckham JR

Antonio Brown

Mike Evans

Julio Jones

AJ Green

Dez

Amari Cooper

D. Thomas

Allen Robinson

Hopkins

Stephon Diggs...

 

maybe:

 

Landry

Fitzgerald

Marshall

 

...yeah, I put him in that 15-20 category. I think he benefits from Luck more than the other way around personally.

 

Thats a pretty good list. Call me a homer, but I would take Watkins over TY simply because I truly believe he is the more talented player and I am pretty comfortable the major injury stuff is behind him. TY isn't a model of durability either given how small he is. So while TY has compiled more stats due to being on the field more in a high volume situation, I think Watkins is still the more talented player.

 

Diggs is a guy I was glad to see you put on there...an ascending guy that might be one of the most over looked and underrated players at his position. Kyle Rudolph is also another example of that too in Minn. Without AP grabbing attention, its like people just kind of forget about that team, but Diggs I like a lot, very complete WR.

[Alphadawg7]

So you admit the list is just confirmation bias?

 

You don't rate Luck so when it is just your opinion you will put guys above him. That's fine. But to say he is mythically overrated is a step further because you are then not just disagreeing with those who rate him you are commenting on their opinion.

 

EVERY LIST is biased opinion...everyone of them, just like your rating of Luck is pure opinion.

 

I very clearly stated that there are guys indisputably better than Luck, and others where there is a legit conversation about it and I choose the other guy in those comparisons while factoring everything in to each one. But people keep wanting to dissect each one in order to create the illusion I am waffling over each when each one has a completely different set of comparable things to consider. They are all case by case...so what I say about one QB doesn't mean the next QB has the same considerations.

[4merper4mer]

You're cherry picking, that's why. You can't say you'd take Winston over Luck because of potential, Cam over Luck because he went to a Super Bowl once, and Rivers over Luck because experience. It makes no sense. Luck has more potential than Cam and Rivers. He has more experience than Winston. And he's gone further in the playoffs than Winston and Rivers.

 

What you're REALLY doing is taking one thing that in your mind those QB's have over Luck, and claiming that the other factors (which you had just argued in favor of for another QB) don't matter. Then you say they do matter in another circumstance, because they fit your argument that X QB is better than Luck.

 

It's an argument accurately summed up as "all over the place."

 

 

Mariota had "less comebacks" and "less game wining drives"? But he did have more wins. I guess it matters how he won now? And Alpha is the one cherry picking?

 

For Pete's sake it's like a religion with Luck. Touted as the greatest prospect in a generation and not a complete bust = you better not ever never ever say he might not be the greatest.

Edited September 1, 2017 by 4merper4mer

[Alphadawg7]

 

 

Mariota had "less comebacks" and "less game wining drives"? But he did have more wins. I guess it matters how he won now? And He's the one cherry picking?

 

For Pete's sake it's like a religion with Luck. Touted as the greatest prospect in a generation and not a complete bust = you better not ever never ever say he might not be the greatest.