26CornerBlitz Posted August 17, 2017 Posted August 17, 2017 I'm asking about where he said he wants the ball "at the expense of the win/loss record?" I've never seen that. I'll bet he hates Andre Reed too, because he was always in Kelly's ear about being open and wanting the ball like many great WRs do.
DefenseWins Posted August 17, 2017 Posted August 17, 2017 People have to accept that Watkins is gone and is not coming back... Time to move on...
Bills Fan of St Augustine Posted August 17, 2017 Posted August 17, 2017 People have to accept that Watkins is gone and is not coming back... Time to move on... yes - enough said.
BADOLBILZ Posted August 17, 2017 Posted August 17, 2017 You might need the pick received in the trade to get the qb you want. If the organization felt that Watkins was not going to re-sign then the deal made sense, at least to me. Then just throw in another future #1 then.........and keep a guy you will not replace with a #1 in Watkins. People look at that draft and think it's common for there to be WR talent available like that.........it's not. I was even clamoring for them to get another WR later.......make hay when the sun shines. This past draft.........Mike Williams? That guy might have gone 3rd round or later in Watkins class.
Fadingpain Posted August 17, 2017 Posted August 17, 2017 WHY? WR with so much potential but hasn't come close to reaching it. Bring him back? NO thanks. TIme to move on. Agree and to add a bit more... Paying a high price for a high performance WR makes zero sense for this team until we have a good QB who has broken into the league and feeling comfortable. Like 2 or 3 years from now the window on that might open. With no QB to get Sammy the ball, he is like buying a $300,000 Ferrari that can't be revved past 2,000 RPM. At that point, buy a VW GTI and save $280,000.
Bill_with_it Posted August 17, 2017 Posted August 17, 2017 I'm asking about where he said he wants the ball "at the expense of the win/loss record?" I've never seen that.Will you show me where i stated that Watkins said that? Will you show me where I used quotes contributing that statement to watkins?Look, I think you know I don't bash Sammy or anything, but those stats aren't favorable. They're comparable, I suppose. but in 3 more games he had fewer targets, fewer catches, fewer yards, and fewer TDs. That isn't favorable.Pff rated Sammy:The former Clemson Tiger ranked 47th among 115 WRs with a 76.8 overall grade In 2016z
26CornerBlitz Posted August 17, 2017 Posted August 17, 2017 Will you show me where i stated that Watkins said that? Will you show me where I used quotes contributing that statement to watkins? Pff rated Sammy: The former Clemson Tiger ranked 47th among 115 WRs with a 76.8 overall grade In 2016z Yeah, let's throw out a PFF rating when he played only eight games with a broken foot as if it's a true measure of his abilities.
Bill_with_it Posted August 17, 2017 Posted August 17, 2017 Yeah, let's throw out a PFF rating when he played only eight games with a broken foot as if it's a true measure of his abilities. Is this better for you his best year he still wasnt top ten: Watkins best year was in 2015, when he earned an 87.5 overall grade 11th-best among WRs
Kirby Jackson Posted August 17, 2017 Posted August 17, 2017 (edited) Will you show me where i stated that Watkins said that? Will you show me where I used quotes contributing that statement to watkins? I pulled just one post where you said: I ME want the ball at the expense of the entire team, win/loss record, and offensive system/play calling for the sake of one player He never said or inferred that. He simply believed that the team would have been better served to throw him the ball (like every great receiver thinks). Edited August 17, 2017 by Kirby Jackson
Bill_with_it Posted August 17, 2017 Posted August 17, 2017 I pulled just one post where you said: I ME want the ball at the expense of the entire team, win/loss record, and offensive system/play calling for the sake of one player He never said or inferred that. He simply believed that the team would have been better served to throw him the ball (like every great receiver thinks). What he said was regardless of if any ither player was open he wanted the ball whether he had coverage on him or not.Thats selfish. That means disregard the offensive coordinators calls. Disregard the qbs read/progression. Disregard the hcs calls. Disregard the team for his own personal selfish desires. You cant be serious about agreeing with Watkins wanting the ball regardless if his teamate wide open. Yeah, let's throw out a PFF rating when he played only eight games with a broken foot as if it's a true measure of his abilities. In case you wanted his rookie numbers:Watkins was PFFs No. 77-graded receiver as a rookie in 2014
26CornerBlitz Posted August 17, 2017 Posted August 17, 2017 What he said was regardless of if any ither player was open he wanted the ball whether he had coverage on him or not. Thats selfish. That means disregard the offensive coordinators calls. Disregard the qbs read/progression. Disregard the hcs calls. Disregard the team for his own personal selfish desires. You cant be serious about agreeing with Watkins wanting the ball regardless if his teamate wide open. In case you wanted his rookie numbers: Watkins was PFFs No. 77-graded receiver as a rookie in 2014 No. That means I'm open when I'm not open because I'm confident in my ability to beat a CB for a 50-50 ball to come down with a catch by making a play for my QB. All great WRs have this mentality.
Bill_with_it Posted August 17, 2017 Posted August 17, 2017 No. That means I'm open when I'm not open because I'm confident in my ability to beat a CB for a 50-50 ball to come down with a catch by making a play for my QB. All great WRs have this mentality. No all great wrs dont say they dont care if there team mates are open and they are covered they want the ball. Not all great wrs say they wants 50-69% of all the teams pass attempts
Kirby Jackson Posted August 17, 2017 Posted August 17, 2017 I need to use this block feature more often. I'm enjoying it
mrags Posted August 17, 2017 Posted August 17, 2017 Look, I think you know I don't bash Sammy or anything, but those stats aren't favorable. They're comparable, I suppose. but in 3 more games he had fewer targets, fewer catches, fewer yards, and fewer TDs. That isn't favorable.again. You are comparing Sammy with Julio Jones. Most likely the best receiver in the NFL. Period. No even close. If Sammy ever even sniffs his production over their careers I'll gladly buy you a season ticket. You can sit right next to me and gloat every game. Talking about how great Sammy was and how right you were. But you don't take bets. Instead I'll gladly make fun of everyone here for faking in love with a guy that never healthy. And what could have been. It's always what could have been with the players that no one can ever get over.
BuffaloHokie13 Posted August 17, 2017 Posted August 17, 2017 again. You are comparing Sammy with Julio Jones. Most likely the best receiver in the NFL. Period. No even close. If Sammy ever even sniffs his production over their careers I'll gladly buy you a season ticket. You can sit right next to me and gloat every game. Talking about how great Sammy was and how right you were. But you don't take bets. Instead I'll gladly make fun of everyone here for faking in love with a guy that never healthy. And what could have been. It's always what could have been with the players that no one can ever get over. I didn't project anything about Sammy's future. To say what they each accomplished in their first 3 years isn't comparable is silly. It is comparable. That doesn't mean Sammy will pick it up like Julio did.
billsfan_34 Posted August 17, 2017 Posted August 17, 2017 They gave up a 2 they will franchise him if he doesnt sign a long term deal. He wouldnt come back anywaya.
mrags Posted August 17, 2017 Posted August 17, 2017 I didn't project anything about Sammy's future. To say what they each accomplished in their first 3 years isn't comparable is silly. It is comparable. That doesn't mean Sammy will pick it up like Julio did.my fault Hokie. This was meant as a reply for 26. I was busy and didn't look at which post I was replying to. I saw the impressive visual that 26 posted and was flustered obviously.
Doc Posted August 17, 2017 Posted August 17, 2017 They gave up a 2 they will franchise him if he doesnt sign a long term deal. He wouldnt come back anywaya. They'll certainly look to extend him now, but what they offer him and what he excepts will be curious to see. And if he doesn't have good enough of a season to justify franchising him, they'll let him walk and get a comp pick potentially.
BarleyNY Posted August 17, 2017 Posted August 17, 2017 He played in 29 of 32 games in his 1st two seasons with over 2000 yards and 15 TDs in run oriented offenses under Hackett and Roman. Is that under productive? The fact that he's had a 2nd surgery to correct the Jones fracture (just like Julio Jones, Dez Bryant, and Julian Edelman) and being able to go full bore in camp bodes well for him. Cherry picking is weak. 3 seasons, 37 games, 153 catches, 2,459 yards and 17 TDs. Those are solid stats, it they're sure not elite. Even in his best season he barely broke 1k yards. That's not enough for a #1 WR so yes, its underperforming for that. He's obviously got talent, but he doesn't have the production to match. He very well might change that this season. It's his contract year so I'd bet he will do everything he can to produce. He'll probably have his best season yet. But I do not want any part of him long term because I expect him to be way overpaid with his second contract. I'm glad we aren't the ones that are going to give it to him.
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