baskingridgebillsfan Posted August 13, 2017 Posted August 13, 2017 as long as this team doens't have a qb looking forward is always going to part of our dna. It doesn't mean we are throwing the towel in on the season. As for Cousins I can see a scenerio were he hits free agency unfortunetly it is not likely. No doubt there will be some serious qb muscial chairs after the season. The bills are armed and ready to stop the music and land one
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted August 13, 2017 Posted August 13, 2017 I'm fairly high on Garoppolo. I don't see him turning into a dud like Cassel. The 2018 off-season will be interesting for the Pats. I'm a little worried about his durability since he was injured after only playing 1 and a half games last year. He's played 2 1/2 games and left dir to injury. When he wins 11 games in a season we can discuss it further.
ALF Posted August 13, 2017 Posted August 13, 2017 Adam Schefter ✔ @AdamSchefter Now, the transition tag after this season for Kirk Cousins will be $28,732,320, the franchise tag $34,478,784. He's getting paid, somewhere As far as the transition tag goes, which would cost the Redskins $28,732,320, the reason why that’s less than the franchise tag is that it would give another NFL team the ability to sign Cousins to an offer sheet. If that happened, then the Redskins would have seven days to match http://heavy.com/sports/2017/07/kirk-cousins-contract-redskins-pay-2018-franchise-transition-tag/
Meathead Posted August 13, 2017 Posted August 13, 2017 We should try to swing him for a player like when we landed Hughes for Sheppard. yes but in this instance we are far more likely to be the one who landed sheppard
Big Turk Posted August 13, 2017 Posted August 13, 2017 Could you imagine giving Belichick a ransom of draft picks for Jimmy, allowing him to restock his roster Post-Brady? Bellichick isn't some draft pick guru...he has plenty of players that haven't panned out...He's about average, he just has more picks to use...in fact that's part of his philosophy...statistically you are going to hit on about 50-55% of picks at best, so giving yourself more chances increases the likelihood of getting good players.
Luka Posted August 13, 2017 Posted August 13, 2017 Why would we draft a mid tier guy when we clearly have the leverage to move up and get a top prospect? The plan right now is dead simple. Tyrod is either going to win or he's out. That's why we have the picks, to move up and get Beane's guy if Tyrod fails.
CountryCletus Posted August 13, 2017 Posted August 13, 2017 As best I can discern this is the plan following the events of this week. Perhaps the future of the Bills is linked with that of Kirk Cousins (and, arguably, a combination of Marcus Mariota and Jared Goff). 1. Cut the trio of Holmes/Davis/Ducasse (at this point none is essential) to secure extra third round pick in 2018. 2. Shop Ragland for mid-round pick. 3. Attempt to win in 2017 with Tyrod at QB. 4. Use 2017 to build culture; determine who wants to be here, who does not, and who are the bad seeds (if any) who need to be removed. 5. If Tyrod is not the long-term answer at QB, then attempt to secure QB through FA. Top (and perhaps only) targets are Kirk Cousins and Jimmy Garropolo. 6. If successful, apply 2018 draft capital in part to build team quickly, and in part to selectively move down to secure additional selections in future years. 7. If unsuccessful in obtaining QB through free agency, hope that (a) a team other than NYJ, Cleveland, and SF (all of which are likely to draft QB) holds one of the first three picks, and (b) attempt to trade for that pick using draft capital. Perhaps the Rams having an awful year, and Marcus Mariota playing well, is a reasonable hope for this. In the alternative, hope that Kirk Cousins signs in SF, or Garropolo in CLE, or both, and then attempt to trade for such pick using draft capital. 8. If neither path to a QB is available, and if not at the top of the draft, select perhaps a second-tier QB (e.g., Lamar Jackson, Mason Rudolph, etc.) with one first-round pick, hope for the best, and continue to build as outlined in step 6. 9. Win. A lot. And especially 2x year against NE. A second tier QB isn't an option anymore...
H2o Posted August 13, 2017 Posted August 13, 2017 Kirk Cousins is not coming to Buffalo. You can bet the farm on that. He'll most likey be a member of the 49ers come March 2018 on a huge contract and reunite with Kyle Shanahan.
r00tabaga Posted August 13, 2017 Posted August 13, 2017 Bellichick isn't some draft pick guru...he has plenty of players that haven't panned out...He's about average, he just has more picks to use...in fact that's part of his philosophy...statistically you are going to hit on about 50-55% of picks at best, so giving yourself more chances increases the likelihood of getting good players. I'm glad someone said this. The average Bills fan probably thinks that Belichick is more around 75% successful hitting on draft picks.
chris heff Posted August 13, 2017 Posted August 13, 2017 Why would we draft a mid tier guy when we clearly have the leverage to move up and get a top prospect? The plan right now is dead simple. Tyrod is either going to win or he's out. That's why we have the picks, to move up and get Beane's guy if Tyrod fails. You do understand that in order to move up another team has to be willing to trade. It doesn't automatically happen.
clayboy54 Posted August 13, 2017 Posted August 13, 2017 Since the trades, I've been thinking a lot about what that draft capital might bring. It dawned on me that it's possible that after another dismal season in Indianapolis, they might go into total rebuild mode. If this happens, might Andrew Luck be available for a couple first-round picks? Would this be something the Bills would consider after his shoulder issues?
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted August 13, 2017 Posted August 13, 2017 At that price so the Bills even gave the cap rom w/o cutting a bunch of players?
SectionC3 Posted August 13, 2017 Author Posted August 13, 2017 Why would we draft a mid tier guy when we clearly have the leverage to move up and get a top prospect? The plan right now is dead simple. Tyrod is either going to win or he's out. That's why we have the picks, to move up and get Beane's guy if Tyrod fails. What if there are two "can't mss" QB prospects and the two teams at the top of the draft want those QBs and refuse to trade out. Then what? Kirk Cousins is not coming to Buffalo. You can bet the farm on that. He'll most likey be a member of the 49ers come March 2018 on a huge contract and reunite with Kyle Shanahan. All the better if SF has a top two pick this year. But what if cousins has a down year and SF prefers a draftee to him? Point of the thread is that the bills have options that improve if the FA QBs play well.
DriveFor1Outta5 Posted August 13, 2017 Posted August 13, 2017 What if there are two "can't mss" QB prospects and the two teams at the top of the draft want those QBs and refuse to trade out. Then what? All the better if SF has a top two pick this year. But what if cousins has a down year and SF prefers a draftee to him? Point of the thread is that the bills have options that improve if the FA QBs play well. If Cousins has a down year I wouldn't want him. I think he would be a soild QB. Questions remain if he's a championship caliber QB. Personally I have doubts about his ability reach that level. A down season from Cousins would only increase those doubts.
SectionC3 Posted August 13, 2017 Author Posted August 13, 2017 If Cousins has a down year I wouldn't want him. I think he would be a soild QB. Questions remain if he's a championship caliber QB. Personally I have doubts about his ability reach that level. A down season from Cousins would only increase those doubts. Makes sense to me. And if SF feels the same way, and drafts top 2 next year ... to paraphrase Young MC, there's one more QB you won't be getting.
Mark Vader Posted August 13, 2017 Posted August 13, 2017 Scout, Draft and develop your Own QB. Teams do not let top end QBs go in UFA. Why is it Bills fans always want to pay big money to AVG Who's AVG?
Boatdrinks Posted August 13, 2017 Posted August 13, 2017 I do not want the Bills to have anything to do with Kirk Cousins.
Watkins101 Posted August 13, 2017 Posted August 13, 2017 Who's AVG?Average. As in, we don't really want an average Qb
Mike in Horseheads Posted August 13, 2017 Posted August 13, 2017 Kirk Cousins is over rated and over paid because the Redskins can't get out of their own way on this.
SectionC3 Posted August 13, 2017 Author Posted August 13, 2017 (edited) Kirk Cousins is over rated and over paid because the Redskins can't get out of their own way on this.Does that change the fact that a good year from him helps us? What if Kyle Shanahan prefers him to Josh Rosen next year, signs Cousins, and wants to deal out if the two slot? With our draft capital, win for us if we believe in Josh Rosen (and can get him at 2). Another point - says cousins (or garrapolo) is a "B+" QB and singable by bills in FA. Would you rather have "B+" and a shot to build fast with our draft capital? Or would you prefer to spend the capital in a shot at an "A" QB and see what happens from there. I might take the former option, but ultimately I'm undecided myself. Edited August 13, 2017 by SectionC3
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