Feel Like We Are Going Back To Dark Days

[outsidethebox]

And Andrew Luck was the anointed greatest QB in the history of history and the Colts are going to finish last in their division this year.....the worst division in football. Win with what you have. Don't throw good players away.

so true. it's easy to gamble when it's not your money. Throw away a really good hand hoping to get something better. It never works.

[CanadianFan]

When did those actually end?

 

lol ur right!!!!!

[r00tabaga]

A lot of Jauron talk these past two days.

[OldTimeAFLGuy]

And Andrew Luck was the anointed greatest QB in the history of history and the Colts are going to finish last in their division this year.....the worst division in football. Win with what you have. Don't throw good players away.

...Luck is a PRIME example of having lousy, meddling ownership, a joke of a GM over his head who blamed the Luck extension as to why he can't sign quality players, followed by Coach Chuckie, marginal at best....Andrew is not the problem........try Moe, Larry & Curly at the helm.....sorry, Grigson has moved on to building the Browns....

Edited August 12, 2017 by OldTimeAFLGuy

[frostbitmic]

What mystical force of nature kept our Top 10 team from, um, actually being in the Top 10?

 

Do you solely place it on poor QB play?

The Ryan brothers, Brandon and Whaley circus .... Fun times.

[dayman]

We don't need a tear down and we are tearing down. We don't need a complete rebuild and we are doing exactly that. We don't need to kick the fans in the nuts and we kicking hard.

 

We are all doomed. It's all gone to hell. We're all going to die.

[OldTimeAFLGuy]

The Ryan brothers, Brandon and Whaley circus .... Fun times.

 

...so how the hell does Barnum & Bailey close up shop with THAT gang available???.....hell even Rob is lookin' for work.......

[RaoulDuke79]

And Andrew Luck was the anointed greatest QB in the history of history and the Colts are going to finish last in their division this year.....the worst division in football. Win with what you have. Don't throw good players away.

Seems easy enough.....just win with what you have. There are 31 teams trying to figure out why this strategy isn't working. What's plan B?

[Beast]

So...don't even attempt at drafting your guy at qb because it's scary?

Like I said....lots of grown men whining.....and living in fear.

[Straight Hucklebuck]

I think the Bills have line of sight to 20 years of no Playoffs easily.

[Jay_Fixit]

I thought all the babies were on the BBMB..

[Sammy Watkins' Rib]

They are getting their ducks in a row to make a run at a top QB in next year's draft.

 

Without one we are doomed to mediocrity.

 

The plan is worth a shot, and it is too early to judge.

 

They need to ditch Taylor then. Why start him this year and win say three games you would have lost with Peterman or Yates at QB instead. Insure that you get a top five pick. May even need to ensure you get a top 3 pick with the number of teams looking to tank.

[CajunBillsBacker]

Holy cow, what was it about the last 15 years that gets you to think "it's all good!"?

 

Fans who wear their emotions on their sleeves are ridiculous, and I've learned over the past 48 hours that the Bills fanbase is loaded with them.

 

Give the new regime a chance to clean house and build their team. It may fail and a new regime will come in in four years and do the same thing, or four years from now we could be looking deep into the playoffs. Who knows, but you have to give them a chance to do work.

Edited August 13, 2017 by CajunBillsBacker

[Sammy Watkins' Rib]

if the bills can get a top qb in the draft then yes, it's very worth it. it would be nice not to have to worry about the qb position for a decade plus.

haven't the pats typically had high number of picks each year?

And this year they are going the other route. Bringing in Gilmore, Gilislee, and Cooks. They haven't exactly been good a drafting players the last decade. They just have Brady and Belicheck and really that's all that matters.

[Protocal69]

It is so ironic that Whaley was given the can however it seems like the league just loves grabbing his talent. for Christ sake the Rams said just basically I take the Bills starting receivers plus our nickle corner. The PAts basically said ill take your starting CB slot receiver and backup RB and TE (Chandler before they cut after one season)

 

If Beane is to be believed teams are begging us to trade and not the other way around. The number one reason the Bills have not made the playoffs is coaching and a little bad luck. Before Nix and Whaley got here we were handing extentions to BUMS and couldnt get coaches to interview with us.

 

I believe that even if we do make the playoffs soon Whaley will be proven right by the talent he drafted. Maybe if he would have been allowed to pick his own coach then they would have had the chemistry that Beane and McDermott has which i think was put to the test that Sammy trade which i dont think McDermott was with 100%.

 

I hope Beane does not turn into a Beane counter no pun attendent.

Edited August 13, 2017 by Protocal69

[YoloinOhio]

It is so ironic that Whaley was given the can however it seems like the league just loves grabbing his talent. for Christ sake the Rams said just basically I take the Bills starting receivers plus our nickle corner. The PAts basically said ill take your starting CB slot receiver and backup RB and TE (Chandler before they cut after one season)

 

If Beane is to be believed teams are begging us to trade and not the other way around. The number one reason the Bills have not made the playoffs is coaching and a little bad luck. Before Nix and Whaley got here we were handing extentions to BUMS and couldnt get coaches to interview with us.

 

I believe that even if we do make the playoffs soon Whaley will be proven right by the talent he drafted. Maybe if he would have been allowed to pick his own coach then they would have had the chemistry that Beane and McDermott has which i think was put to the test that Sammy trade which i dont think McDermott was with 100%.

 

I hope Beane does not turn into a Beane counter no pun attendent.

Whaley was a good talent evaluator. He wasn't (imo) a good general manager. He's best suited as a director of player personnel or pro scouting. If building a madden team was the goal that is one thing...building a team that can win consistently in the NFL is another. He understood talent just fine... how to build a winning team was the puzzle he didn't figure out. Changing coaches didn't help. But I'm still not sure what his vision was. It always seemed like patchwork. Edited August 13, 2017 by YoloinOhio

[apuszczalowski]

It is so ironic that Whaley was given the can however it seems like the league just loves grabbing his talent. for Christ sake the Rams said just basically I take the Bills starting receivers plus our nickle corner. The PAts basically said ill take your starting CB slot receiver and backup RB and TE (Chandler before they cut after one season)

 

If Beane is to be believed teams are begging us to trade and not the other way around. The number one reason the Bills have not made the playoffs is coaching and a little bad luck. Before Nix and Whaley got here we were handing extentions to BUMS and couldnt get coaches to interview with us.

 

I believe that even if we do make the playoffs soon Whaley will be proven right by the talent he drafted. Maybe if he would have been allowed to pick his own coach then they would have had the chemistry that Beane and McDermott has which i think was put to the test that Sammy trade which i dont think McDermott was with 100%.

 

I hope Beane does not turn into a Beane counter no pun attendent.

What have the Rams done to show that they are a competent franchise and that taking the 2 Bills WRs is the answer to getting better at the position?

 

And so far the only move that has paid off for another team was the Pats getting Hogan (who the fans here couldn't get rid of fast enough because of how bad they thought he sucked) who like everyone, looked good catching passes from Brady. No one knows if Gilmore will be an improvement on defence for the Pats, and is Gillislee will be a huge improvement as a RB on their offence

 

Hows leodis doing? Hows Kiko doing? Hows Mario Williams doing? Hows Williams (the RB) doing?

[Billsmovinup]

Not even going to entertain you.

Yea. Let the mods deal with him. Get em mods😄😄😄

Like I said....lots of grown men whining.....and living in fear.

Living in boredom and monotony is more like it.

[jaclynrea21]

New people running the joint, yet the same old same old crap....

[BillsFan4]

Anyone else feel like we are backwards? This team has done such a 360 from where it was from 2000-2010, and I feel like we are entering right back to that era.

 

Pegula was such a nice breathe of fresh air, and IMO, so was Doug Whaley. He got creative with salary cap, did things we never used to do, took chances in trades, etc.

 

I know this probably won't be popular, but I miss the Whaley days. When Whaley was GM, I finally felt like a real NFL team, trying to actually get into the playoffs. We were aggressive and the talent on this roster was the highest it has been in over a decade.

 

I just didn't see the need for the rebuild. Pegula should have made sure this wasn't going to happen. Looking back, I would have rather hired Lynn and kept Whaley. At least they would want to keep great talent on this team, not get rid of it.

 

This new regime just rubs me the wrong way. They think that future picks actual mean anything. Give me talent over maybe talent with a draft pick you don't even know the position of. They think they won't have to ever pay out big contracts and we will just operate on guys who "want to be here." They are always looking for low ball offers and think they are smart enough to win with lesser talent. They are going to be in for a rude awakening. You need talent to win. They are setting themselves back 2 years and most regimes only get 3 years before they have to prove themselves.

 

I don't really get where this is coming from.

 

They won't ever have to pay out big contracts? How can you conclude that?

 

Doug Whaley was the GM when Gilmore left in free agency, and when Gillislee left on that offer sheet.

Before you blame McDermott, Whaley had 2 years to get Gilmore signed and he didn't. There were reports before McDermott was even hired that Whaley wasn't willing to give Gilmore more than $11.5M. Supposedly that was their best/highest offer.

 

Yeah, they traded Sammy. But that was 1 player, and we have no idea what the exact reasons for the trade were. Even if it was contract related in some part, I am sure there were other reasons behind it too. To conclude that they think they won't ever have to pay out big contracts seems like a,pretty big leap in logic IMO.

 

Always looking for low ball offers? Where does that come from?

 

Jeremy Maclin chose Baltimore over Buffalo and it had nothing to do with money. There was a report that the Bills actually tried to up their offer to above what Baltimore offered just to try one last time to get Maclin to sign here. He chose Baltimore because of (his words) Joe Flacco, because they won a Super Bowl recently and he felt they were close, and because his wife is from Baltimore and has family there.

 

And Boldin signed here. Beane said it was never about the money. They knew where the money needed to be and had agreed on it. It was Boldin deciding if this was a good fit for him and his family.

 

So I don't get the "always looking for low ball offers" comment. There doesn't really seem to be much to back that up.

They did say that they aren't going to overpay and hand out massive contracts in free agency though, which is a good strategy that many successful GMs employ and different from what you are saying.

 

As for draft picks meaning anything, they absolutely do. Almost all of the best NFL teams have all been built through the draft. That is how you build a true contender. You can't build a team through free agency in the cap era.

 

 

Whaley had been here since 2010 and was GM since 2013. He had plenty of time to put a winner on the field, but was only able to eek out a winning season 1 time in his entire tenure here, and if Brady + the starters play that last Pats game of 2014 the Bills likely don't have a winning season that year either.

He was an above average pro personnel guy and average (at best) to below average at everything else (IMO anyway). The Bills had the lowest number of drafted players on their roster in the entire NFL during Whaley's time here.

http://buffalonews.com/2016/12/18/roster-data-shows-bills-gm-doug-whaley-not-building-roster-creating-nfls-biggest-hole/

 

And they actually retained the least number of their players during his time here too (from 2010) -

http://buffalonews.com/2017/04/28/bills-retained-nfls-fewest-draft-picks-since-2010/