Magox Posted September 1, 2017 Posted September 1, 2017 Edwards throwing to quick/short routes isn't an opinion, it's a fact, because that's in fact what happened. Just like Peterman is doing. He didn't initially throw to checked down routes and wasn't constantly checking down, which is what you stated. Only AFTER defenses took away his short stuff/quick read did he start to consistently check down. And he became Captain Checkdown. Sure the comparassion is an opinion, but then it's no more amateur than you dismissing it. I was as big of a homer for Trent Edwards as there was on this board, years back. I am very familiar with Trent but at some point in his career he got to the point to where he often times would almost immediately fall back to his check downs. He wouldn't even wait for his progressions, he'd look to one receiver, see that he was covered (or believed he was) and then go to the check down. I remember it clearly to this day. What we have seen from Peterman is nothing of the sort. No checkdowns. Maybe Peterman will end up doing the same, but nothing that we've seen from him so far indicates that to be the case, until then, anyone who says that Peterman's brand of ball is similar to Trent Edwards is taking an amateurish take on the comparison, imo.
Wayne Cubed Posted September 1, 2017 Posted September 1, 2017 I was as big of a homer for Trent Edwards as there was on this board, years back. I am very familiar with Trent but at some point in his career he got to the point to where he often times would almost immediately fall back to his check downs. He wouldn't even wait for his progressions, he'd look to one receiver, see that he was covered (or believed he was) and then go to the check down. I remember it clearly to this day. What we have seen from Peterman is nothing of the sort. No checkdowns. Maybe Peterman will end up doing the same, but nothing that we've seen from him so far indicates that to be the case, until then, anyone who says that Peterman's brand of ball is similar to Trent Edwards is taking an amateurish take on the comparison, imo. Right, I got that. In the beginning of Trents career he wasn't checking down either, he was doing almost exactly what Peterman is doing. Short routes, quick decisions and a quick release. That's where the comparassion comes from. And it's been mentioned more than just on this board. Maybe I missed it, but no one is arguing or saying he will turn out like Trent, just that he looks like early Trent Edwards. I don't think that's amateur, just an observation. There are worse players/QBs he could look like.
Magox Posted September 1, 2017 Posted September 1, 2017 (edited) Right, I got that. In the beginning of Trents career he wasn't checking down either, he was doing almost exactly what Peterman is doing. Short routes, quick decisions and a quick release. That's where the comparassion comes from. And it's been mentioned more than just on this board. Maybe I missed it, but no one is arguing or saying he will turn out like Trent, just that he looks like early Trent Edwards. I don't think that's amateur, just an observation. There are worse players/QBs he could look like. Well, that is engaging in a pure hypothetical based off of Peterman taking a parallel path to the end product of T. Edwards and that is a separate argument than the one we were having. You could literally put any rookie who is taking decisive quick throws and apply that into that argument. This is based off of what we've seen, not based off of what could happen. Edited September 1, 2017 by Magox
Marty McFly Posted September 1, 2017 Posted September 1, 2017 Well my take on NP is that earlier after PS Game 1 that there was no way he'd unseat Yates. Well, crow officially eaten, and he has impressed. Will he start this year? Again, barring injury it is unlikely, IMO. He shows promise, more so than EJ ever did, and I was an EJ fanboy for a time. I'd like to see how he handles regular season defenses, where teams will game-plan for his weaknesses. Things he does well, are the things that frustrate Bills fans about TT, but then TT does things that we haven't yet seen NP do, soooooo there's a big unknown about him at this point. I trust McD, and Beane to know who best to start, and I think TT, assuming he's healthy will in fact start against the Jets next week. Tim- I can see where youre coming from. I wanted NP to supplant yates and he did. I dont think hes played anything close to good enuff to become the starter tho. Those 2 drives everyone was going crazy for vs det was vs 2nd n 3rd string players battling for spots, hardley as impressive as some make it out to be when you see what mahomes and trubisky are doing to the same caliber players. Nps short game is good but when the take away the short and intermediate he hasnt shown any other throwing skills to think he could start slinging deep outs, posts, and seam routes. It was really let down when i saw the game a few mins ago, the hype was bigger than the plays were. Edwards throwing to quick/short routes isn't an opinion, it's a fact, because that's in fact what happened. Just like Peterman is doing. He didn't initially throw to checked down routes and wasn't constantly checking down, which is what you stated. Only AFTER defenses took away his short stuff/quick read did he start to consistently check down. And he became Captain Checkdown. Sure the comparassion is an opinion, but then it's no more amateur than you dismissing it. Its a valid comparison until we see he can hit the deeper routes n back the defense up.
Doc Posted September 1, 2017 Posted September 1, 2017 I can see where youre coming from. I wanted NP to supplant yates and he did. I dont think hes played anything close to good enuff to become the starter tho. Those 2 drives everyone was going crazy for vs det was vs 2nd n 3rd string players battling for spots, hardley as impressive as some make it out to be when you see what mahomes and trubisky are doing to the same caliber players. Nps short game is good but when the take away the short and intermediate he hasnt shown any other throwing skills to think he could start slinging deep outs, posts, and seam routes. It was really let down when i saw the game a few mins ago, the hype was bigger than the plays were. Its a valid comparison until we see he can hit the deeper routes n back the defense up. I don't know if you'll see that until the OL proves it can protect for longer than a couple seconds. As for Mahomes and Trubisky allegedly showing better, not quite.
tonyjustbcuz Posted September 1, 2017 Posted September 1, 2017 Hes certainly made the team but predicting that hell be elite is guesswork at best. If/when he does start teams will break down his tendencies and take away what he does best, just like they did to Tyrod last year and many other QBs early in their careers, and thats when well find out just how good he is. If Tyrod is putrid in the first quarter of the season Peterman might get a shot by game five or six. If Tyrod is average I think Peterman continues to sit which IMO would be the best thing for his development. It would be great to not have to pick a qb next year and use all those picks on other needs. Maybe the Bills got lucky for a change. It would be nice.
reddogblitz Posted September 1, 2017 Posted September 1, 2017 Problem is, you won't know until a defense challenges him and takes away the short/quick throws. The 2 times I saw it happen, both against the Ravens, he almost threw an interception and he almost fumbled scrambling. Need to see more of what he's capable of doing in those situations. He didn't ALMOST fumble, he did on our own 5 yard line. He did a good job to fight for it and get it back however. That almost pick was really close. The kid doesn't handle pressure well at the moment. Hopefully that's one of the things he's going to learn in "the process".
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted September 1, 2017 Posted September 1, 2017 ....this kid is showing some moxy and promise.....sure as hell hope we don't rush things and eff up another one.....OBD is THE "Mecca of QB Development (COUGH)".....
rpmfla Posted September 1, 2017 Posted September 1, 2017 I noticed Peterman's voice sounds a little like a less extreme Matthew McConaughey.
Herb62 Posted September 1, 2017 Posted September 1, 2017 So if he has no noticeable downside why do you think he was a day 3 pick? Is he a different player than 6 months ago, or do you have a better eye than everyone in the NFL? Brady was a sixth round pick and I know he would be great, so shut up and listen to me.
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted September 1, 2017 Posted September 1, 2017 Brady was a sixth round pick and I know he would be great, so shut up and listen to me. ....Peterman was a 5th as was Meatball.......maybe we he 5th round vibes in the making.....stay tuned...........
Kelly the Dog Posted September 1, 2017 Posted September 1, 2017 I posted this in another thread after someone brought up Matt Barkley, but it should go here... A lot of guys here don't want to hear this but Matt Barkley is the perfect comparison to Nathan Peterman coming out of college. Has 90% of what you want out of your quarterback except he has a rag arm, and you cannot compete in the NFL with the rag arm. Barkley had the anticipation and accuracy and quick release and all the experience and leadership. I wouldn't have drafted him in any round because he couldn't make all the throws. If Peterman's is a good amount stronger than Barkley he has a chance. But if it's closer to Barkley than not he won't succeed.
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted September 1, 2017 Posted September 1, 2017 I posted this in another thread after someone brought up Matt Barkley, but it should go here... A lot of guys here don't want to hear this but Matt Barkley is the perfect comparison to Nathan Peterman coming out of college. Has 90% of what you want out of your quarterback except he has a rag arm, and you cannot compete in the NFL with the rag arm. Barkley had the anticipation and accuracy and quick release and all the experience and leadership. I wouldn't have drafted him in any round because he couldn't make all the throws. If Peterman's is a good amount stronger than Barkley he has a chance. But if it's closer to Barkley than not he won't succeed. ...paging Brady Quinn......r u STILL in the Green Room?....."anticipation" is a major criteria.....for who I don't know.....Barkely comes from the long list of hugely successful USC QB's............
Gigs Posted September 1, 2017 Posted September 1, 2017 Honestly I hope he turns out to be the guy. He'd be another story. He'd also turn our plethora of early picks from trade ammo into luxury/foundation building picks. I'd rather have that.
Kelly the Dog Posted September 1, 2017 Posted September 1, 2017 ...paging Brady Quinn......r u STILL in the Green Room?....."anticipation" is a major criteria.....for who I don't know.....Barkely comes from the long list of hugely successful USC QB's............ Brady Quinn had a good arm. I'm only talking rag arms. And from what I have seen and read, that has been Barkley's problem.
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted September 1, 2017 Posted September 1, 2017 3 - Peterman shows rhythm Throughout much of the preseason if theres one trait that rookie QB Nate Peterman has demonstrated on a consistent basis, its an ability to throw in rhythm and on time. In Rick Dennisons timing-based passing game, its proven to be a valuable strength. I thought he was sharp. He moved the offense, said McDermott. I liked what he did and he got into a rhythm. I thought Rico (Dennison) did a good job. Then we mixed in some runs, and some passes and stayed pretty balanced and we were able to get points on the first drive, which was pretty important.
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted September 1, 2017 Posted September 1, 2017 3 - Peterman shows rhythm Throughout much of the preseason if theres one trait that rookie QB Nate Peterman has demonstrated on a consistent basis, its an ability to throw in rhythm and on time. In Rick Dennisons timing-based passing game, its proven to be a valuable strength. I thought he was sharp. He moved the offense, said McDermott. I liked what he did and he got into a rhythm. I thought Rico (Dennison) did a good job. Then we mixed in some runs, and some passes and stayed pretty balanced and we were able to get points on the first drive, which was pretty important. ...so what about this yapping citing his "noodle arm"?.....I must be watching the WRONG kid...............
Kelly the Dog Posted September 1, 2017 Posted September 1, 2017 ...so what about this yapping citing his "noodle arm"?.....I must be watching the WRONG kid............... What does noodle arm have to do with rhythm? Everything in the post you referenced has zero to do with arm strength.
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted September 1, 2017 Posted September 1, 2017 What does noodle arm have to do with rhythm? Everything in the post you referenced has zero to do with arm strength. ...believe you misunderstood.....the "detractors" cite his "suspect arm strength" whereas I have yet to see it as a deficiency in his pre-season action....for some, it is an alleged "deterrent"...for me, nope...I like his arm.....
Brianmoorman4jesus Posted September 1, 2017 Posted September 1, 2017 A solid defense, excellent running game and quick decisive QB who will get the ball out on time to the playmakers. An accurate tall fundamentally sound QB that will not be afraid to hang in the pocket...that team is a team with a shot every week. I hope somehow Peterman takes the ball week 1.
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