Royale with Cheese Posted August 30, 2017 Posted August 30, 2017 The game should have been over after the great Julio Jones catch. Run the ball with the clock as your ally and the game is over. I have no idea what Shanahan was thinking about. The game should have been over at 28-3. I don't know what Shanahan was thinking about either but still...you have to put a lot of blame on that defense and some on the offense for disappearing in the 2nd half.
26CornerBlitz Posted August 30, 2017 Posted August 30, 2017 The game should have been over at 28-3. I don't know what Shanahan was thinking about either but still...you have to put a lot of blame on that defense and some on the offense for disappearing in the 2nd half. You can only shut down Brady for so long, but why give him more opportunities by keeping the ball in the air?
Royale with Cheese Posted August 30, 2017 Posted August 30, 2017 (edited) You can only shut down Brady for so long, but why give him more opportunities by keeping the ball in the air? Again...Shanahan was being an idiot and agree with you there. I know you can only shut down Brady for so long but 31 points in 18 minutes of football is ridiculous. Doesn't matter if it's Brady, Manning, Farve, Elway, Montana etc...31 ppg scoring average is a great average in a 60 minute game (in fact it would be around 15th all time)....the Falcons defense gave that up in a fraction of that. Not only that, 2 - 2 point conversions they had to get. Stop one conversion and the game is over. Edited August 30, 2017 by Teeflebees
26CornerBlitz Posted August 30, 2017 Posted August 30, 2017 Again...Shanahan was being an idiot and agree with you there. I know you can only shut down Brady for so long but 31 points in 18 minutes of football is ridiculous. Doesn't matter if it's Brady, Manning, Farve, Elway, Montana etc...31 ppg scoring average is a great average in a 60 minute game (in fact it would be around 15th all time)....the Falcons defense gave that up in a fraction of that. Not only that, 2 - 2 point conversions they had to get. Stop one conversion and the game is over. Hey. It happens. Ask the Oliers about that when the Bills were down 35-3 in the comeback game.
Royale with Cheese Posted August 30, 2017 Posted August 30, 2017 Hey. It happens. Ask the Oliers about that when the Bills were down 35-3 in the comeback game. Doesn't happen often at all.....twice in 24 years.
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted August 30, 2017 Posted August 30, 2017 You can only shut down Brady for so long, but why give him more opportunities by keeping the ball in the air? They were winning in the air, they abandoned it in the 2nd half. Shanny thought he knew better. That game was so reminiscent of the Chiefs loss in 15 and the Raiders loss in 16. You make haftime adjustments to correct what doesn't work.
Royale with Cheese Posted August 30, 2017 Posted August 30, 2017 Both the Seahawks and Falcons gifted the Patriots a SB win by not running the ball as I'm sure you already know. If you want to take this a step further, John Kasey of the Panthers kicked the ball out of bounds before the last drive of the Pats....put them in great field position to kick the FG to win it. They've been gifted 3 Super Bowls.
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted August 30, 2017 Posted August 30, 2017 If you want to take this a step further, John Kasey of the Panthers kicked the ball out of bounds before the last drive of the Pats....put them in great field position to kick the FG to win it. They've been gifted 3 Super Bowls. 4 - The Tuck
Royale with Cheese Posted August 30, 2017 Posted August 30, 2017 4 - The Tuck nice call....they've been gifted 4 Super Bowls.
WideRightRevenge Posted August 30, 2017 Author Posted August 30, 2017 Again (and for the final time in this thread), the point is that Tyrod's middling work in 29 regular-season games should supersede Peterman's middling work against 2's and 3's in the preseason. Yes, we likely have seen Tyrod's ceiling; can you honestly say that his limitations are the reason that this team did not make the playoffs in 2015 or 2016? I don't think anyone would say that. Why not let Peterman start? I can think of 2 reasons: (1) the staff may feel (as I do) that he isn't ready, and (2) if you want to find out about your playmakers and their ability, your best bet is to put the guy out there that gives them the best chance to make plays; right now, that's Tyrod. Bandit .. I took your challenge and quoted pre=season stats ...now your flipping the discussion back to Tyrod's 29 games ... your quoting offensive stats but thats run oriented .. yes as established by head coach and OC .. and Tyrod pads those stats as well with his legs .. so help me with how Tyrod has in his two years has helped us find out about our "playmakers" in the WR / TE position ... do you really think they played a lot of nickel/dime coverage on 1st and 2nd downs against us the last two years? My only point is we would all agree after all these years we are mediocre at best ... if you want to use the same ingredients and be mediocre again ... we can start with Tyrod ... but if he goes 2-3 games with a 27 rating ... then my preference is .. throw in the Rook and hopefully get more of a passing threat in the game. But if you want to look into 2016 stats .. I'll take Nate Peterman stat line last year .. AT CLEMSON ... 22-37 .. 308 Yards ... 5 TDs .. zero INTs .. in the biggest road game for him on the year hostile environment ... that's one game .. Tyrod's 2016 Road Game TD total for 2016 .... 5. Yep 5 (granted he had 3 rushing TD's in those games) .. but that's what we have RB's for.
billsfan60 Posted August 30, 2017 Posted August 30, 2017 Bandit .. I took your challenge and quoted pre=season stats ...now your flipping the discussion back to Tyrod's 29 games ... your quoting offensive stats but thats run oriented .. yes as established by head coach and OC .. and Tyrod pads those stats as well with his legs .. so help me with how Tyrod has in his two years has helped us find out about our "playmakers" in the WR / TE position ... do you really think they played a lot of nickel/dime coverage on 1st and 2nd downs against us the last two years? My only point is we would all agree after all these years we are mediocre at best ... if you want to use the same ingredients and be mediocre again ... we can start with Tyrod ... but if he goes 2-3 games with a 27 rating ... then my preference is .. throw in the Rook and hopefully get more of a passing threat in the game. But if you want to look into 2016 stats .. I'll take Nate Peterman stat line last year .. AT CLEMSON ... 22-37 .. 308 Yards ... 5 TDs .. zero INTs .. in the biggest road game for him on the year hostile environment ... that's one game .. Tyrod's 2016 Road Game TD total for 2016 .... 5. Yep 5 (granted he had 3 rushing TD's in those games) .. but that's what we have RB's for. I've watched that game half a dozen times and see the same thing from Peterman we've seen all preseason. The kid's not a fluke.
26CornerBlitz Posted August 30, 2017 Posted August 30, 2017 (edited) Bandit .. I took your challenge and quoted pre=season stats ...now your flipping the discussion back to Tyrod's 29 games ... your quoting offensive stats but thats run oriented .. yes as established by head coach and OC .. and Tyrod pads those stats as well with his legs .. so help me with how Tyrod has in his two years has helped us find out about our "playmakers" in the WR / TE position ... do you really think they played a lot of nickel/dime coverage on 1st and 2nd downs against us the last two years? My only point is we would all agree after all these years we are mediocre at best ... if you want to use the same ingredients and be mediocre again ... we can start with Tyrod ... but if he goes 2-3 games with a 27 rating ... then my preference is .. throw in the Rook and hopefully get more of a passing threat in the game. But if you want to look into 2016 stats .. I'll take Nate Peterman stat line last year .. AT CLEMSON ... 22-37 .. 308 Yards ... 5 TDs .. zero INTs .. in the biggest road game for him on the year hostile environment ... that's one game .. Tyrod's 2016 Road Game TD total for 2016 .... 5. Yep 5 (granted he had 3 rushing TD's in those games) .. but that's what we have RB's for. You're using NFL preseason and NCAA stats in one game as proof of Peterman's NFL readiness? Edited August 30, 2017 by 26CornerBlitz
billsfan60 Posted August 30, 2017 Posted August 30, 2017 You're using NFL preseason and NCAA stats in one game as proof of Peterman's NFL readiness?You're 100% right CB, but unfortunately he may have to be ready.
reddogblitz Posted August 30, 2017 Posted August 30, 2017 (edited) If you want to take this a step further, John Kasey of the Panthers kicked the ball out of bounds before the last drive of the Pats....put them in great field position to kick the FG to win it. They've been gifted 3 Super Bowls. I'm gonna disagree on this. The Beast was abysmal at short yardage (3rd or 4th down with 2 yards or less to get) that year. the problem was not the play call, but the execution. Russell Wilson tipped off Buttler. Buttler says they came out of the huddle and Wilson was signaling something to Baldwin (or whoever it was). And looked over again before the snap. he wouldn't be doing that if it was a run up the gut so he was looking for it. It was also horrible execution on the WRs. Hawks lost that one due to poor execution. Russell Wilson was like the dog that's bad at poker. Every time he gets a good hand, he wags his tail. Edited August 30, 2017 by reddogblitz
Boatdrinks Posted August 30, 2017 Posted August 30, 2017 I'm gonna disagree on this. The Beast was abysmal at short yardage (3rd or 4th down with 2 yards or less to get) that year. the problem was not the play call, but the execution. Russell Wilson tipped off Buttler. Buttler says they came out of the huddle and Wilson was signaling something to Baldwin (or whoever it was). And looked over again before the snap. he wouldn't be doing that if it was a run up the gut so he was looking for it. It was also horrible execution on the WRs. Hawks lost that one due to poor execution. Russell Wilson was like the dog that's bad at poker. Every time he gets a good hand, he wags his tail. The play call stunk. I hate harping on playcalling usually because it's overrated , but this was simply a no brainer. Collinsworth said it best after the bizarre decision. From the one? You give it to Marshawn 3 times and if the defense can stop you, well god bless 'em
reddogblitz Posted August 30, 2017 Posted August 30, 2017 Tyrod pads those stats as well with his legs .. so help me with how Tyrod has in his two years has helped us find out about our "playmakers" in the WR / TE position ... Hotrod made Sammy and Harvin look pretty darn good with the passes he delivered to them. He also hit Woods in the hands on quite a few passes some of which he dropped. Nasty Nate is just not accurate or consistent enough yet. Half of his passes look Canton worthy while other half look bust worthy. He's gonna get somebody killed out here. Against the Ravens I counted 3 EJ to JJ Watt passes the defender luckily didn't catch. Not to mention ducking and chucking into a crowd and just out and out dropping the football. He's got a lot of work to do.
JohnC Posted August 30, 2017 Posted August 30, 2017 Again (and for the final time in this thread), the point is that Tyrod's middling work in 29 regular-season games should supersede Peterman's middling work against 2's and 3's in the preseason. Yes, we likely have seen Tyrod's ceiling; can you honestly say that his limitations are the reason that this team did not make the playoffs in 2015 or 2016? I don't think anyone would say that. Why not let Peterman start? I can think of 2 reasons: (1) the staff may feel (as I do) that he isn't ready, and (2) if you want to find out about your playmakers and their ability, your best bet is to put the guy out there that gives them the best chance to make plays; right now, that's Tyrod. We discussed this before so I don't want to belabor the point. I wouldn't be surprised if Peterman is inserted as a starter by the time the second half of the season begins. From everything I have heard about Peterman he is a mature enough person who should be able to handle the pummeling and failures that rookie qbs inevitably experience. I believe that he is strong enough person where we will benefit more in the long run rather than be scarred by playing before he is fully prepared. With respect to the highlighted segment on TT and his lack of culpability for not making the playoffs the last two years I agree with you that he is not at fault for that failure. But the thing about TT as you astutely acknowledged is that we already know about his limitations and there is no getting beyond that fact. So if this is a roster cleansing year why not make a determination on another qb, Peterman? So when we enter next year's draft we have a sense of what he can do. That would be a good thing to know.
Royale with Cheese Posted August 30, 2017 Posted August 30, 2017 I'm gonna disagree on this. The Beast was abysmal at short yardage (3rd or 4th down with 2 yards or less to get) that year. the problem was not the play call, but the execution. Russell Wilson tipped off Buttler. Buttler says they came out of the huddle and Wilson was signaling something to Baldwin (or whoever it was). And looked over again before the snap. he wouldn't be doing that if it was a run up the gut so he was looking for it. It was also horrible execution on the WRs. Hawks lost that one due to poor execution. Russell Wilson was like the dog that's bad at poker. Every time he gets a good hand, he wags his tail. It was at the one yard line with 26 seconds left. You punch that ball in with Lynch or if he was that bad, you sneak it with Russell. If Tom Brady can go something like 54 straight QB sneak conversions, Wilson can too. You don't put the ball in the air because DB's are just going to be aggressive because they are backed up against a wall. When you have the likes of Max Unger and James Carpenter in the middle opening things up....you use that.
Doc Posted August 30, 2017 Posted August 30, 2017 (edited) I'm gonna disagree on this. The Beast was abysmal at short yardage (3rd or 4th down with 2 yards or less to get) that year. the problem was not the play call, but the execution. Russell Wilson tipped off Buttler. Buttler says they came out of the huddle and Wilson was signaling something to Baldwin (or whoever it was). And looked over again before the snap. he wouldn't be doing that if it was a run up the gut so he was looking for it. It was also horrible execution on the WRs. Hawks lost that one due to poor execution. Russell Wilson was like the dog that's bad at poker. Every time he gets a good hand, he wags his tail. The play call stunk. I hate harping on playcalling usually because it's overrated , but this was simply a no brainer. Collinsworth said it best after the bizarre decision. From the one? You give it to Marshawn 3 times and if the defense can stop you, well god bless 'em It should have been an option play. Then you have two running threats to deal with. Hotrod made Sammy and Harvin look pretty darn good with the passes he delivered to them. He also hit Woods in the hands on quite a few passes some of which he dropped. Nasty Nate is just not accurate or consistent enough yet. Half of his passes look Canton worthy while other half look bust worthy. He's gonna get somebody killed out here. Against the Ravens I counted 3 EJ to JJ Watt passes the defender luckily didn't catch. Not to mention ducking and chucking into a crowd and just out and out dropping the football. He's got a lot of work to do. Sure he's accurate enough. As I mentioned, there were 4, arguably 5, dropped passes by his receivers. That pushes his completion percentage to 65 to 69%. As for the 4 passes that were batted down, that's more good DL play than poor play by the QB. And they were similar plays, i.e. designed throws over the head of DL where there is a good possibility of that happening. Perhaps removing those play calls would be in order? And the toss to avoid a sack was ill-advised, but a teaching/learning moment. I doubt he does that again. Edited August 30, 2017 by Doc
Watching since 1964 Posted August 30, 2017 Posted August 30, 2017 I asked @greggabe on twitter today if he would have picked a qb before Peterman, and if so, who? He answered... "No, I like Peterman's future. Thought he could go a lot higher."
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