BuffaloFan68 Posted August 30, 2017 Posted August 30, 2017 The more I look at Rudolph & Allen the more I like them. I see Darnold going to the Jets or elsewhere. Looking at Rudolph & Allen we may not have to trade up to land one of them. Let's Go Buffalo!!!!!
thebandit27 Posted August 30, 2017 Posted August 30, 2017 OK ... I'll play the game as well .. preseason only Completion Percentage - Tyrod 48% ... Nate 50% .. not much difference but numerically better (but the repeated 3rd string argument offsets for some) Interceptions - Tyrod 2 / Nate 0 ... and Nate has 68 attempts vs. Tyrod's 29 % of passes for 1st Downs ... Tyrod - 13.8% / Nate 23.5% QB Rating - Tyrod 27.9 / Nate 71.4 Non Stat related ... I'll trade the long ball that Tyrod has (call it two to three plays a game) for a guy that has better touch .. he's (Nate) dropped the ball right in to Zay Jones a few times on sideline throws ... hit tight ends on seam routes ... hits the short throws on the tree and has surprised with scrambling ... my point is ..we know Tyrod's ceiling after 6 years in the league ... we're not going to do much this year (unfortunately) .. why not give Nate a shot to gain more experience ... the short term view has potential for improvement. I've repeated this in past posts .. my issue with Tyrod is lack of 4th quarter comebacks ... given our record over the last two years he's had plenty of opportunities ...let's give the kid a chance ... at worst it's the difference between 9-7 (no playoffs) and 5-11 (better draft position). Again (and for the final time in this thread), the point is that Tyrod's middling work in 29 regular-season games should supersede Peterman's middling work against 2's and 3's in the preseason. Yes, we likely have seen Tyrod's ceiling; can you honestly say that his limitations are the reason that this team did not make the playoffs in 2015 or 2016? I don't think anyone would say that. Why not let Peterman start? I can think of 2 reasons: (1) the staff may feel (as I do) that he isn't ready, and (2) if you want to find out about your playmakers and their ability, your best bet is to put the guy out there that gives them the best chance to make plays; right now, that's Tyrod.
starrymessenger Posted August 30, 2017 Posted August 30, 2017 Yeah I don't think Mosley has a shot at the ball at all, assuming the ball is thrown after Clay starts his break. There is a defender behind Clay but a well-thrown/timed ball is at worst is a PBU. But more importantly, the QB stays healthy. His last game he was 6-18 for 93 yards and an INT. I don't see it. But time will tell. I hear you but I did say "at times". Like most talented youngsters consistency is the key objective. But I think I can see why Jeremiah was so high on him.
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted August 30, 2017 Posted August 30, 2017 I'd rather see Peterman as well. On the play where Tyrod got the concussion, you can see Clay get open after making his break, but Tyrod refuses to pull the trigger, scrambles, and then gets finished-off by Judon. I have no doubt Peterman makes that throw. The problem I think is that if they start him over a healthy Tyrod, they risk losing the team. Plus they're paying Tyrod all this money. I think Tyrod will/should get the start and Peterman should come in if the team starts losing a lot of games. In a Next Man Up scenario that chit doesn't fly. Again (and for the final time in this thread), the point is that Tyrod's middling work in 29 regular-season games should supersede Peterman's middling work against 2's and 3's in the preseason. correct Yes, we likely have seen Tyrod's ceiling; correct can you honestly say that his limitations are the reason that this team did not make the playoffs in 2015 or 2016? Yes I don't think anyone would say that. incorrect Why not let Peterman start? I can think of 2 reasons: (1) the staff may feel (as I do) that he isn't ready, and (2) if you want to find out about your playmakers and their ability, your best bet is to put the guy out there that gives them the best chance to make plays; right now, that's Tyrod. Nate may not be ready. But I'm willing to take the chance and try to enjoy the season hoping for the best than sit and expect more of the same for 17 weeks.
HT02 Posted August 30, 2017 Posted August 30, 2017 All I am reading today is the draft capital to get a QB in next year's draft .... is it just me or did no one like what Nate showed on Thursday? First drive as a pro ... drove down the field and scored ... in the fourth scrambled for good 1st downs .. and then hit Taiwan Jones perfectly on 4th down on the 5 yard line .. but he turned his head to run and dropped the ball ...likely could of been game tying score. This kid went to Clemson last year and beat #1 in a shootout against D. Watson ... I like what I saw and yes only one game and yes against 2nd/3rd string .. but certainly better than what I saw from Yates vs. the Vikes ... but given the lack of comments and I am island? I like the idea of getting as many quality guys in here until we find the right guy. If Peterman takes over and has a great year I would still draft a QB just in case. I wouldn't trade the house to get him unless its Darnold (who I think will be a superstar) but I would use a high pick to get an insurance policy.
thebandit27 Posted August 30, 2017 Posted August 30, 2017 In a Next Man Up scenario that chit doesn't fly. Nate may not be ready. But I'm willing to take the chance and try to enjoy the season hoping for the best than sit and expect more of the same for 17 weeks. So the #7 scoring offense (prior to EJ's debacle in Week 17) is responsible for the team not making the playoffs? It wasn't the vastly-underachieving defense? Okay...explain. As for enjoying the season, if the offense is markedly worse with Nate than it is with Tyrod, that's going to be more enjoyable to you? I'm sorry, but total-unknown is not automatically better than okay-but-not-good-enough.
BuffaloFan68 Posted August 30, 2017 Posted August 30, 2017 I wasn't a fan of Peterman until seeing him this preseason. Now as much as I'm looking forward to him starting, I don't want him starting against the Jets as their D will destroy QBs. Let Tyrod start that game and see how he does - Let's Go Buffalo!!!!!
Woodman19 Posted August 30, 2017 Posted August 30, 2017 I think Bills fans have unrealistic expectations of a QB because the lack of a great one has always been the excuse for 20 years of generally poor management decisions. Great QB's can toil in mediocre team success and mediocre QB's can have great success if they are in good situation and part of judging that has to do with tempering expectations with the situation being a factor.
starrymessenger Posted August 30, 2017 Posted August 30, 2017 So the #7 scoring offense (prior to EJ's debacle in Week 17) is responsible for the team not making the playoffs? It wasn't the vastly-underachieving defense? Okay...explain. As for enjoying the season, if the offense is markedly worse with Nate than it is with Tyrod, that's going to be more enjoyable to you? I'm sorry, but total-unknown is not automatically better than okay-but-not-good-enough. I would agree with you if we were in a Roman/Lynn scheme. Though of course we haven't seen all of it I suspect that Peterman is a better fit for a WC offence or even a variant thereof if thats where we land (which appears to be the case). And these coaches seem to be all about scheme suitability. If Tyrod can't cut it he will sit imo.
KOKBILLS Posted August 30, 2017 Posted August 30, 2017 No chance, the Bills aren't getting all of this draft capital to build around a guy that they passed on like 5 times in the draft. That should tell you how confident they are in him becoming the guy. Exactly... I think Peterman is going to be our modern day Reich...Smart...Good teammate...Helpful...And can win a game or two as a starter when needed...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted August 30, 2017 Posted August 30, 2017 So the #7 scoring offense (prior to EJ's debacle in Week 17) is responsible for the team not making the playoffs? It wasn't the vastly-underachieving defense? Okay...explain. As for enjoying the season, if the offense is markedly worse with Nate than it is with Tyrod, that's going to be more enjoyable to you? I'm sorry, but total-unknown is not automatically better than okay-but-not-good-enough. TT weak passing game was part of the problem. How do you keep pace with NE? By having a passing offense backed by a run game. We will never beat Brady and the Pats with TT under center.
thebandit27 Posted August 30, 2017 Posted August 30, 2017 TT weak passing game was part of the problem. How do you keep pace with NE? By having a passing offense backed by a run game. We will never beat Brady and the Pats with TT under center. Just like Denver, right?
GunnerBill Posted August 30, 2017 Posted August 30, 2017 (edited) Just like Denver, right? And just like the Giants in those two Superbowls? Look, people have tried the "go score for score with them" in the biggest games. The Ravens did it in the playoffs the famous "ineligible" game. They led 14-0 and 28-14. They lost. The Falcons tried it in the Superbowl last year.... they lost. Even the Seahawks played a Superbowl that essentially became a high scoring keep pace game - they lost. Denver, as Bandit referred to, beat them two years ago in a tight defensive AFC Championship game and the Giants beat them in two defensive Superbowls. Stopping Brady scoring is darn hard, make no mistake....... but going toe to toe and outscoring him? That is even harder. Edited August 30, 2017 by GunnerBill
26CornerBlitz Posted August 30, 2017 Posted August 30, 2017 And just like the Giants in those two Superbowls? Look, people have tried the "go score for score with them" in the biggest games. The Ravens did it in the playoffs the famous "ineligible" game. They led 14-0 and 28-14. They lost. The Falcons tried it in the Superbowl last year.... they lost. Even the Seahawks played a Superbowl that essentially became a high scoring keep pace game - they lost. Denver, as Bandit referred to, beat them two years ago in a tight defensive AFC Championship game and the Giants beat them in two defensive Superbowls. Stopping Brady scoring is darn hard, make no mistake....... but going toe to toe and outscoring him? That is even harder. Both the Seahawks and Falcons gifted the Patriots a SB win by not running the ball as I'm sure you already know.
Boatdrinks Posted August 30, 2017 Posted August 30, 2017 Both the Seahawks and Falcons gifted the Patriots a SB win by not running the ball as I'm sure you already know. This cannot be overstated. I'm not sure which was worse, Seattles single colossal blunder or Atlanta/ Shanahans mind boggling continuous one.
Magox Posted August 30, 2017 Posted August 30, 2017 When I look at the play, I see a defender underneath (CJ Mosley) just waiting for a throw from Tyrod that he can intercept.: http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000834875/article/tyrod-taylor-leaves-bills-game-with-concussion It would have been a pick six similar to the one EJ threw to Telvin Smith in the Jacksonville game in London. No way. If that ball is thrown as Clay is beginning his break (which is when QB's should make most of their throws), that is an easy reception.
26CornerBlitz Posted August 30, 2017 Posted August 30, 2017 No way. If that ball is thrown as Clay is beginning his break (which is when QB's should make most of their throws), that is an easy reception. I looked at it again and concede he should have thrown it.
Royale with Cheese Posted August 30, 2017 Posted August 30, 2017 Both the Seahawks and Falcons gifted the Patriots a SB win by not running the ball as I'm sure you already know. Yes....the Falcons did have a bone head move by not running it but they also gave up 31 points in the last 18 or so minutes of the football game.
GG Posted August 30, 2017 Posted August 30, 2017 I looked at it again and concede he should have thrown it.
26CornerBlitz Posted August 30, 2017 Posted August 30, 2017 Yes....the Falcons did have a bone head move by not running it but they also gave up 31 points in the last 18 or so minutes of the football game. The game should have been over after the great Julio Jones catch. Run the ball with the clock as your ally and the game is over. I have no idea what Shanahan was thinking about.
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