Nate Peterman Love .. anyone vs. 2018 QB draft??

[thebandit27]

Then what happened?

Why is it you didn'tt answer the question.

 

Which of those items does TT not need to improve on?

 

How is it possible that some of you folks continue to miss the point?

 

I did answer you; I said that I agreed that Tyrod needed to improve, but that you were conflating two different points (and you still are). That Tyrod needs to improve does not, by any measure, mean that Peterman is better than him at those traits. Right now, Peterman is showing that he's got some ability in those areas, but as I just showed you, Tyrod showed the same thing against 2's and 3's.

 

What happened? He had to start playing against starters.

 

Forgive me if Peterman completing 50% of his passes against backups and showing the same passing and anticipatory ability that Tyrod did as a backup (sans the dynamic running) doesn't exactly inspire me to believe he's a better player right now, or that he'll become one in the future.

 

Again, context matters. That is (still) the point.

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

 

Fixed

what is your problem with Peterman? Did he steal your girlfriend or something?

 

Jesus.

[HappyDays]

 

What about Peterman says he has a realistic chance to be among the NFL's elite QBs?

I didn't say what chance he has, I just said at this point he's the only one on the roster with any chance to become elite. QBs don't become elite after 7 years in the league. I still think Tyrod can be a good starter but he will never be Tom Brady. Peterman could be. It's a remote chance but the only way to find out is for him to play.

[26CornerBlitz]

what is your problem with Peterman? Did he steal your girlfriend or something?

 

Jesus.

 

My "problem" is a realistic projection based upon what I see Mrs. Peterman.

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

 

How is it possible that some of you folks continue to miss the point?

 

I did answer you; I said that I agreed that Tyrod needed to improve, but that you were conflating two different points (and you still are). That Tyrod needs to improve does not, by any measure, mean that Peterman is better than him at those traits. Right now, Peterman is showing that he's got some ability in those areas, but as I just showed you, Tyrod showed the same thing against 2's and 3's.

 

What happened? He had to start playing against starters.

 

Forgive me if Peterman completing 50% of his passes against backups and showing the same passing and anticipatory ability that Tyrod did as a backup (sans the dynamic running) doesn't exactly inspire me to believe he's a better player right now, or that he'll become one in the future.

 

Again, context matters. That is (still) the point.

Apologies ....

 

Context (cuz I'm a jerk) a 7th year vet s/b able to work an offense better than he's shown the last 2 games.

[26CornerBlitz]

I didn't say what chance he has, I just said at this point he's the only one on the roster with any chance to become elite. QBs don't become elite after 7 years in the league. I still think Tyrod can be a good starter but he will never be Tom Brady. Peterman could be. It's a remote chance but the only way to find out is for him to play.

 

Oh we'll find out, but I haven't seen any elite traits based on what he showed at the Collegiate level or thus far in the NFL. Those things usually jump right out at you.

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

 

My "problem" is a realistic projection based upon what I see Mrs. Peterman.

 

IF you choose to use college - TT's faults now are the same faults he had in college.

 

So in that train of thought Peterman won't make it and neither will Taylor

 

And finally - WE have seen very little of NP in the NFL to call him a bust or a success.

 

As a Bills fan I want him to succeed.

Edited August 24, 2017 by ShadyBillsFan

[26CornerBlitz]

 

IF you choose to use college - TT's faults now are the same faults he had in college.

 

So in that train of thought Peterman won't make it and neither will Taylor

 

And finally - WE have seen very little of NP in the NFL to call him a bust or a success.

 

As a Bills fan I want him to succeed.

 

Who's arguing anything different. Tyrod still does have warts that have carried over to his game at the NFL level.

[JM2009]

 

IF you choose to use college - TT's faults now are the same faults he had in college.

 

So in that train of thought Peterman won't make it and neither will Taylor

 

And finally - WE have seen very little of NP in the NFL to call him a bust or a success.

 

As a Bills fan I want him to succeed.

That's good. You should also want TT to succeed also.

[thebandit27]

Apologies ....

 

Context (cuz I'm a jerk) a 7th year vet s/b able to work an offense better than he's shown the last 2 games.

 

Agreed (not about the jerk part)...that says absolutely nothing about Peterman, which is what I have been saying for 3+ pages now.

 

Separate discussions.

 

Tyrod isn't good enough =/= Peterman is good enough.

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

 

Who's arguing anything different. Tyrod still does have warts that have carried over to his game at the NFL level.

[Royale with Cheese]

 

That's not accurate...if you go back and look at Tyrod's performance in the preseason as a Raven, he was able to do plenty of those things.

 

I feel that you folks are falling into the trap of comparing Tyrod vs 1's in the regular season to Peterman vs. 2's and 3's in the preseason, which is apples-to-oranges at best.

 

For example:

 

 

Plenty of accurate throws, quick releases, throws to covered targets, and stepping into the pocket there.

 

And that's the point: what Peterman is showing against 2's and 3's in the preseason is in no way uncommon for a late-round pick, and portends nothing more than that he's got the potential to be a roster-worthy NFL QB.

 

I think you're falling into a trap where you believe a rookie can't have certain aspects in their game that are better than a veterans.

 

Highlights don't mean anything. There are Ryan Leaf highlight films. I can show you highlights of Ryan Fitzpatrick completing deep balls...he still is a terrible deep ball thrower. Just because he did it here and there doesn't mean they are good at it or even competent.

 

I'm not gaga over Peterman just because of his highlight film. I expected this from him...this is what his scouting report entails. Pro Style experience, good accuracy, great anticipation thrower with average physical tools.

 

Peterman's experience in a pro-style passing attack gives him a head start headed into the league. His physical attributes are just average, but his accuracy, composure and anticipation are what sets him apart from some of the more physically gifted quarterbacks in this year's draft

http://www.nfl.com/draft/2017/profiles/nathan-peterman?id=2558191

 

Here's a Taylor scouting report from 7 years ago....he's still the same QB. This could have been written yesterday.

Although the tight window thing hasn't really worked out like the report said.

 

 

STRENGTHS Taylor is an excellent athlete with a thick muscular build. Has excellent mobility and continually evades the rush while keeping his eyes downfield. Has above average arm strength and flashes the ability to fit the ball into tight windows on short to intermediate routes. Team leader and fierce competitor.

WEAKNESSES

Does not possess adequate height and too many of his passes are knocked down at the line. Sloppy footwork prevents him from stepping into throws making him an erratic passer. Locks onto receivers and often telegraphs his throws. Struggles breaking down coverage and makes too many ill-advised throws.

Tom Melton breaks it down even more. This one to me is spot on.

https://tommeltonscouting.wordpress.com/2011/03/22/tyrod-taylor-qb-virgina-tech-scouting-report/

 

 

 

[Wayne Cubed]

Wonder what Jeff Tuel is doing these days.

[thebandit27]

 

I think you're falling into a trap where you believe a rookie can't have certain aspects in their game that are better than a veterans.

 

Highlights don't mean anything. There are Ryan Leaf highlight films. I can show you highlights of Ryan Fitzpatrick completing deep balls...he still is a terrible deep ball thrower. Just because he did it here and there doesn't mean they are good at it or even competent.

 

I'm not gaga over Peterman just because of his highlight film. I expected this from him...this is what his scouting report entails. Pro Style experience, good accuracy, great anticipation thrower with average physical tools.

 

 

No, I am not. What I am saying is that Peterman is not showing anything beyond that of what many rookie late-round picks before him have shown against backups. The highlight video was expressly intended to speak to the fact that Tyrod showed many of the same things.

 

 

 

http://www.nfl.com/draft/2017/profiles/nathan-peterman?id=2558191

 

Here's a Taylor scouting report from 7 years ago....he's still the same QB. This could have been written yesterday.

Although the tight window thing hasn't really worked out like the report said.

 

 

Nobody. Is. Arguing. Differently.

 

The point that I have made, and somehow still seems to get lost, is that just because Tyrod hasn't improved in those areas doesn't mean that Peterman is better simply because he shows a similar ability to do it against backups and 3rd stringers as Tyrod did as a rookie.

Edited August 24, 2017 by thebandit27

[Royale with Cheese]

 

No, I am not. What I am saying is that Peterman is not showing anything beyond that of what many rookie late-round picks before him have shown against backups. The highlight video was expressly intended to speak to the fact that Tyrod showed many of the same things.

 

 

 

Nobody. Is. Arguing. Differently.

 

The point that I have made, and somehow still seems to get lost, is that just because Tyrod hasn't improved in those areas doesn't mean that Peterman is better simply because he shows a similar ability to do it against backups and 3rd stringers as Tyrod did as a rookie.

 

It's not lost on me. Peterman has shown this ability more than just a few quarters in preseason. It's his strength. Tyrod's strength is his athleticism.

There are things Tyrod can do that Peterman can't and vice versa.

[DirtDart]

Cute.

 

I suspect you know this, but the passing game ranked 30th in YPG...which is pretty common when you throw the ball less than every other team in the NFL for 2 consecutive years. How does this debunk the notion that Tyrod is the best option from the current players on the roster for this team in 2017? FYI, they also ranked 20th in YPA, 19th in passer rating, and 22nd in completion percentage.

 

Guess which of those numbers matters more than points scored? I suspect you know the answer to this as well.

 

And again I'll ask: what makes you think that Peterman is a better option for this team in 2017? Furthermore, where did I say that Tyrod is a stud? Actually, I'll ask you to do me a favor: take a step back from slinging mud, read what I actually said, and then tell me where you disagree with me.

 

Thanks.

Your cute as well. Your argument still doesn't pass the sniff test. The passing game was STILL ranked 30th overall Edited August 24, 2017 by DirtDart

[thebandit27]

Your cute as well. Your argument still doesn't pass the sniff test. The passing game was STILL ranked 30th overall

 

Sniff test, eye test, what's next?

 

Seriously, read what I said and then tell me where you disagree.

[DirtDart]

Cute.

 

I suspect you know this, but the passing game ranked 30th in YPG...which is pretty common when you throw the ball less than every other team in the NFL for 2 consecutive years. How does this debunk the notion that Tyrod is the best option from the current players on the roster for this team in 2017? FYI, they also ranked 20th in YPA, 19th in passer rating, and 22nd in completion percentage.

 

Guess which of those numbers matters more than points scored? I suspect you know the answer to this as well.

 

And again I'll ask: what makes you think that Peterman is a better option for this team in 2017? Furthermore, where did I say that Tyrod is a stud? Actually, I'll ask you to do me a favor: take a step back from slinging mud, read what I actually said, and then tell me where you disagree with me.

 

Thanks.

Bandit, I am not slinging mud at you directly, but you said it yourself. We threw the ball less than any other team in the league. You pretty much summed up our QB. He lacks the ability to do much else other than pick up yards with his feet.

[JohnC]

Yes, but you aren't acquiring all of these picks to build around him. You are going to go get your guy. Peterman isn't going to play this year and they aren't going to punt on next year's draft because of him. If Tyrod gets hurt or traded and Peterman lights it up -maybe. He isn't going to enter 2018 as the starter with 0 starts under his belt.

Don't be surprised if the wrestling coach inserts Peterman in the starting lineup entering the third portion of the season when the Bills are predictably out of the playoffs. That won't alter the probability that the Bills will still use their first round pick for a qb. Ideally, the Bills won't have to deal off a lot of picks to place themselves in a positon to get the qb that they want. This team still needs an infusion of talent to bolster their thin roster.

[DaBillsFanSince1973]

 

 

You don't have to have to watch him play in this year's preseason games to determine the caliber of qb he is. It's not a knock on him to recognize what he can do and can't do as a qb. He has had two years of starting with little elevation of his game. He is what he is: An adequate bridge qb. We are fortunate to have him in the short run but need to do better in the long run.

 

I agree with this and have always thought of him in that role. I don't want to knock (but I'm going to) whaley here but with beane being an unknown rookie gm he seems aggressive and it looks like with the dealing of all those picks he is setting the team up for a QB and hopefully success. where whaley counted on EJ being the next coming of johnny u and then dragged his ass, never landing the QB of the future.

 

 

let this season ride and hope they do well instead of wasting negative energy towards players and even ourselves. it is what it is and maybe beanes is on to something?

 

 

peterman will get his shot when either taylor goes down with an injury which could be a probability with the high risk at that position. or he'll get it if taylor stinks up the joint. I just want who ever is (hopefully never yates) in there, to get the job done.

 

 

likely, not in stone, but it may be 20 years before the drought ends and it may all really depend on who is drafted in 2018? unless taylor or peterman can get it done while the rookie grooms but the consensus says otherwise, no chance at playoffs.

 

 

just keep yates off the field. be like having thigpens number called.

Edited August 25, 2017 by DaBillsFanSince1973