ALF Posted August 24, 2017 Posted August 24, 2017 I'm sure they will draft a QB high in 2018. I would not start him in 2018 until he is NFL ready. That's where Peterman might be ready and play till the new QB is ready.
Big Gun Posted August 24, 2017 Posted August 24, 2017 People... Pump the brakes on all this Peterman as the starter talk. Right now, he's a 50% passer with a YPA of 6.2 while playing against backups in the preseason--yes, he produced 1 TD. Hooray. For reference, last offseason, Cardale Jones was a 50% passer with a YPA of 6.1 while playing against backups in the preseasons--he also produced 1 TD. I'll continue to say it: if Peterman can develop into a solid NFL backup QB, we should be very happy with that result stemming from a 5th round pick...but him seeing the field with the 1's during the regular season is quite terrifying at this point. Not pumping any brakes, Tyrod sucks. 50% in preseason doesn't matter, right, because when it's brought up that Tyrod has looked terrible, it's said it's only preseason and preseason doesn't count. Tyrod stinks get him the hell off my team.
LeGOATski Posted August 24, 2017 Posted August 24, 2017 I don't recall how Cardale did last year, but I noticed a lot of dropped passes with Peterman that would've pushed his percentage and touchdown total higher. Peterman looks much better than Cardale did at this point. That is for sure. Still needs to put things together mentally. I'm definitely in the camp that wants to see him on the bench for a year and then compete with the rookie next year. Not pumping any brakes, Tyrod sucks. 50% in preseason doesn't matter, right, because when it's brought up that Tyrod has looked terrible, it's said it's only preseason and preseason doesn't count. Tyrod stinks get him the hell off my team. It's not your team. And Tyrod is better.
PolishDave Posted August 24, 2017 Posted August 24, 2017 Not pumping any brakes, Tyrod sucks. 50% in preseason doesn't matter, right, because when it's brought up that Tyrod has looked terrible, it's said it's only preseason and preseason doesn't count. Tyrod stinks get him the hell off my team. Somebody woke up feeling poopy this morning. Mom ran out of Lucky Charms and made you eat Bran flakes this morning?
JM2009 Posted August 24, 2017 Posted August 24, 2017 Not pumping any brakes, Tyrod sucks. 50% in preseason doesn't matter, right, because when it's brought up that Tyrod has looked terrible, it's said it's only preseason and preseason doesn't count. Tyrod stinks get him the hell off my team.
GG Posted August 24, 2017 Posted August 24, 2017 Peterman looks much better than Cardale did at this point. That is for sure. Just for kicks - 3 of the lowest 4 QB ratings in the preseason so far belong to Cardale. Tyrod & Fitz
JM2009 Posted August 24, 2017 Posted August 24, 2017 Somebody woke up feeling poopy this morning. Mom ran out of Lucky Charms and made you eat Bran flakes this morning? If you don't let facts and basic football knowledge get in the way, then his posting is just fine.
DaBillsFanSince1973 Posted August 24, 2017 Posted August 24, 2017 (edited) Not pumping any brakes, Tyrod sucks. 50% in preseason doesn't matter, right, because when it's brought up that Tyrod has looked terrible, it's said it's only preseason and preseason doesn't count. Tyrod stinks get him the hell off my team. your agenda sucks. why don't you repeat it another 500 times. Edited August 24, 2017 by DaBillsFanSince1973
thebandit27 Posted August 24, 2017 Posted August 24, 2017 (edited) I don't recall how Cardale did last year, but I noticed a lot of dropped passes with Peterman that would've pushed his percentage and touchdown total higher. Perhaps...but to me, he looks like a guy that's a ways off--which is all I'm really saying. Don't be surprised if by the last third of the season when the Bills are predictably out of playoff contention that HC will be replacing TT as a starter. It won't be because Peterman is an elite prospect but because the staff knows what they have in TT and they then want to get a more extensive view of Peterman and his capabilities. There might be a secondary not publicly acknowledged reason that they wouldn't be too upset in maintaining its better draft position. There would not be anything sinister or inappropriate about playing younger players as the season winds down for non-playoff teams. It happens all the time. It is a smart approach to take when assessing what you have on the roster. I wouldn't have a real problem with that unless he was in the same situation as Jones last year--where he's simply not ready, and throwing him into the fire would do more harm than good (which is where I believe he is now). Not pumping any brakes, Tyrod sucks. 50% in preseason doesn't matter, right, because when it's brought up that Tyrod has looked terrible, it's said it's only preseason and preseason doesn't count. Tyrod stinks get him the hell off my team. 1. No, Tyrod doesn't suck. Not by any metric that you can find...but feel free to show me why with more than just your opinion. 2. Don't attribute made-up arguments to me. You've never seen me say that Tyrod hasn't looked lousy this preseason, or that it doesn't matter because it's preseason. Debate the actual point being made as opposed to simply tossing out straw men to suit your fancy. 3. It makes less than zero sense to get rid of a QB that's had a record of 15-14 and lead an offense that ranked 7th in points scored last season (save for after the EJ debacle in Week 17) because you simply don't like the guy. I don't think there's anyone on this board that believes he's great, or even capable of winning in the playoffs; he's simply the best that this team is going to do for 2017. Edited August 24, 2017 by thebandit27
billsfan60 Posted August 24, 2017 Posted August 24, 2017 Perhaps...but to me, he looks like a guy that's a ways off--which is all I'm really saying. I wouldn't have a real problem with that unless he was in the same situation as Jones last year--where he's simply not ready, and throwing him into the fire would do more harm than good (which is where I believe he is now). 1. No, Tyrod doesn't suck. Not by any metric that you can find...but feel free to show me why with more than just your opinion. 2. Don't attribute made-up arguments to me. You've never seen me say that Tyrod hasn't looked lousy this preseason, or that it doesn't matter because it's preseason. Debate the actual point being made as opposed to simply tossing out straw men to suit your fancy. 3. It makes less than zero sense to get rid of a QB that's had a record of 15-14 and lead an offense that ranked 7th in points scored last season (save for after the EJ debacle in Week 17) because you simply don't like the guy. I don't think there's anyone on this board that believes he's great, or even capable of winning in the playoffs; he's simply the best that this team is going to do for 2017. And after two preseason games we know this how?
thebandit27 Posted August 24, 2017 Posted August 24, 2017 And after two preseason games we know this how? Know what? I said that I don't think there's anyone on the board that believes that Tyrod is great or even win-in-the-playoffs caliber. What did I claim to know? Or are you referring to the idea that he's the best that the team is going to do for 2017? Yes, that's basically a known quantity. Peterman is a rookie that is completing 50% of his passes against backups and 3rd stringers. If you somehow believe that makes him better than the 7-year vet that's been 15-14 as a starter in the last 2 years, well, I think the onus is on you to prove your point rather than on me to prove mine. No?
JohnC Posted August 24, 2017 Posted August 24, 2017 (edited) And after two preseason games we know this how? You don't have to have to watch him play in this year's preseason games to determine the caliber of qb he is. It's not a knock on him to recognize what he can do and can't do as a qb. He has had two years of starting with little elevation of his game. He is what he is: An adequate bridge qb. We are fortunate to have him in the short run but need to do better in the long run. Edited August 24, 2017 by JohnC
MAJBobby Posted August 24, 2017 Posted August 24, 2017 He should have. Thomas was uncovered from the snap. By looking at his head the 1st Read was O'Leary.so not even sure where thomas was in the progression on that route package
Doc Posted August 24, 2017 Posted August 24, 2017 Perhaps...but to me, he looks like a guy that's a ways off--which is all I'm really saying. Fair enough.
JohnC Posted August 24, 2017 Posted August 24, 2017 Know what? I said that I don't think there's anyone on the board that believes that Tyrod is great or even win-in-the-playoffs caliber. What did I claim to know? Or are you referring to the idea that he's the best that the team is going to do for 2017? Yes, that's basically a known quantity. Peterman is a rookie that is completing 50% of his passes against backups and 3rd stringers. If you somehow believe that makes him better than the 7-year vet that's been 15-14 as a starter in the last 2 years, well, I think the onus is on you to prove your point rather than on me to prove mine. No? I firmly don't believe that TT is a caliber starting qb. But that doesn't mean that he can't carve out a long term and lucrative back up roll in this league. There is a useful role for him in this league. Fitz has parlayed his limited skills into a wealthy career that is still going on. TT is better in some respects and not so in other respects. If he is as smart as I think he is he can have had a career when it is finished in which he is financially set for the rest of his life.
JM2009 Posted August 24, 2017 Posted August 24, 2017 I firmly don't believe that TT is a caliber starting qb. But that doesn't mean that he can't carve out a long term and lucrative back up roll in this league. There is a useful role for him in this league. Fitz has parlayed his limited skills into a wealthy career that is still going on. TT is better in some respects and not so in other respects. If he is as smart as I think he is he can have had a career when it is finished in which he is financially set for the rest of his life. I think the best definition of TT is low end starter and excellent backup. We've had worse.
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted August 24, 2017 Posted August 24, 2017 (edited) People... Pump the brakes on all this Peterman as the starter talk. Right now, he's a 50% passer with a YPA of 6.2 while playing against backups in the preseason--yes, he produced 1 TD. Hooray. For reference, last offseason, Cardale Jones was a 50% passer with a YPA of 6.1 while playing against backups in the preseasons--he also produced 1 TD. I'll continue to say it: if Peterman can develop into a solid NFL backup QB, we should be very happy with that result stemming from a 5th round pick...but him seeing the field with the 1's during the regular season is quite terrifying at this point. Stats don't matter in preseason He passes the Eye Test (sarc) I'll only comment on Peterman and not other QB's current or former. When "not pressured" by an full on blitz he's @ 75% completion rate. The preseason blitzing is more than we usually see in vanilla packages. Not pumping any brakes, Tyrod sucks. 50% in preseason doesn't matter, right, because when it's brought up that Tyrod has looked terrible, it's said it's only preseason and preseason doesn't count. Tyrod stinks get him the hell off my team. trying to play nice I didn't go there. (fully) Know what? I said that I don't think there's anyone on the board that believes that Tyrod is great or even win-in-the-playoffs caliber. What did I claim to know? Or are you referring to the idea that he's the best that the team is going to do for 2017? Yes, that's basically a known quantity. Peterman is a rookie that is completing 50% of his passes against backups and 3rd stringers. If you somehow believe that makes him better than the 7-year vet that's been 15-14 as a starter in the last 2 years, well, I think the onus is on you to prove your point rather than on me to prove mine. No? I said I didn't want to do it but in 2017 preseason what is TT completion %, then with and w/o pressure? Last I looked TT was @ 52% or close too it. Edited August 24, 2017 by ShadyBillsFan
Kipers Hair Posted August 24, 2017 Posted August 24, 2017 This is an honest question - had Drew Bledsoe not have gotten his lung collapsed, would Tom Brady have ever gotten the opportunity to show the world what he can do? Perhaps he would have, but it wouldn't be the Cinderella story it has become. That said, who is to say Peterman can't surprise us similarly? I guess I am saying, who is to say it is not possible? I don't think T-Mobile is getting traded, but an injury to his playing style is quite possible....and then we may see.... BTW - With all those picks, I still take a QB high, that's draft capital that has value.
DaBillsFanSince1973 Posted August 24, 2017 Posted August 24, 2017 This is an honest question - had Drew Bledsoe not have gotten his lung collapsed, would Tom Brady have ever gotten the opportunity to show the world what he can do? Perhaps he would have, but it wouldn't be the Cinderella story it has become. That said, who is to say Peterman can't surprise us similarly? I guess I am saying, who is to say it is not possible? I don't think T-Mobile is getting traded, but an injury to his playing style is quite possible....and then we may see.... BTW - With all those picks, I still take a QB high, that's draft capital that has value. yeah, I would definitely compare brady's situation to peterman. can't say it is possible anymore than it is not but the probability is very unlikely.
thebandit27 Posted August 24, 2017 Posted August 24, 2017 I said I didn't want to do it but in 2017 preseason what is TT completion %, then with and w/o pressure? Last I looked TT was @ 52% or close too it. Does it make more sense to judge what a 6-year vet can do in the NFL based on what he's done over the course of 2 regular seasons as a starter, or based on what he's done in 2 quarters of a preseason?
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