McNubbins Posted August 11, 2017 Posted August 11, 2017 I'll say yes. At first I was like what the hell, and I'm still a little bummed about this season. It could pay off in the future.As it goes with the Bills, there's always next year!
Apocalypse Nuts Posted August 11, 2017 Posted August 11, 2017 I'm still stunned but it's a good move all around. It's basically a bet on Sammy's foot or any other ailment that might pop up. Let's face it - he's been pretty fragile in a Bills uniform. If you're going with his proven track record then you can only count on him for maybe 10-12 games this season without even knowing what the docs are saying to the FO. That's quite a load of draft picks now for a supposedly QB- rich draft. Clearly indicates this FO is looking at all of them hard and more. Clearly a refreshing change from the "hope a franchise QB lands in our laps" philosophy of the last 20 years.
Perry Turtle Posted August 11, 2017 Posted August 11, 2017 I will bet anyone here my entire yearly salary that the Bills will not lose any more games in 2017 because of these trades....any takers? I will one up my own bet: I guarantee the Buffalo Bills will lose no more than 16 games this year. I'd bet your life on it. Takers? How about next year, when they get their franchise QB and he has nobody to throw to, except Zay Jones? And when the Bills secondary looks like Carolina's secondary from last season without Josh Norman? Watkins, as injury prone as he is, would have given a rookie QB a true #1 WR from day 1.
Chilly Posted August 11, 2017 Posted August 11, 2017 I can't make the trades make any sense. We traded a #1 WR for a guy who is a #3 at best. We traded a #1 or #2 CB for a guy who just had the 5th worse CB season of the past decade. In return, we got a 2nd and a 3rd. Success rates for 2nd and 3rd round picks are significantly lower than 50%. If we keep the picks, the most likely outcome is that we will not get talent anywhere near the talent we traded away. If we trade everything to get a QB, that QB is then setup to fail with a 30 year old McCoy and our only WR is Zay Jones. Both of these are worse than keeping our talent and having the option to franchise Sammy after the year.
Watching since 1964 Posted August 11, 2017 Posted August 11, 2017 I hear what people are saying about Bflo not picking up the 5th year option. However, it would have much riskier for teams trading for him, being obligated to the 5th year when his health is still a big question mark. This way the Rams have a lot more flexibility. They can evaluate if his health and performance warrant a long term deal. Or, at the minimum, they could still franchise tag him.
EasternOHBillsFan Posted August 11, 2017 Posted August 11, 2017 YES, YES, and YES in case the first two are missed. Watkins, often hurt, under contract year, OUT. Matthews, rarely hurt, under contract year, IN. Darby, inconsistent and not dominant, OUT. Gaines, a solid veteran yet who is often hurt, IN. The Gaines trade is a gamble, but we got the Rams's second round pick. Looking at the count, it goes like this: 1st, Bills 1st, Chiefs 2nd, Rams (HIGH PICK) 2nd, Bills 3rd, Bills 3rd, Eagles (MID RANGE PICK) That Rams pick could very well be like having a low round 1st round pick. THREE high picks in the top 40 is an excellent way for Beane to show us what he's got. I am EXTREMELY EXCITED.
NoSaint Posted August 11, 2017 Posted August 11, 2017 Let's go on record as to our feelings on the deals today. There are no bs in between answers either. It is a yes or a no. If you were the GM and had the exact same deals on the table would you have made the moves? We are not seperating them out either because they are tied together. I think both the offense and defense got worse today in order to benefit next year. I don't know why we have Tyrod, Kyle, and a few others in this roster to help 2017 if 2018 and beyond is the push and they won't be a part of it
Perry Turtle Posted August 11, 2017 Posted August 11, 2017 I can't make the trades make any sense. We traded a #1 WR for a guy who is a #3 at best. We traded a #1 or #2 CB for a guy who just had the 5th worse CB season of the past decade. In return, we got a 2nd and a 3rd. Success rates for 2nd and 3rd round picks are significantly lower than 50%. If we keep the picks, the most likely outcome is that we will not get talent anywhere near the talent we traded away. If we trade everything to get a QB, that QB is then setup to fail with a 30 year old McCoy and our only WR is Zay Jones. Both of these are worse than keeping our talent and having the option to franchise Sammy after the year. I would add that they already had the assets to trade up into the top 5 before the trade.
Big Gun Posted August 11, 2017 Posted August 11, 2017 Like it Trade away starting WR, CB, 6th round 2018 Returned starting WR, CB, 2nd round, 3rd round 2018 Play on the field is equal imo. Good haul
oldmanfan Posted August 11, 2017 Posted August 11, 2017 Would have done the Darby trade but not the Sammy trade.
JM2009 Posted August 11, 2017 Posted August 11, 2017 Like it Trade away starting WR, CB, 6th round 2018 Returned starting WR, CB, 2nd round, 3rd round 2018 Play on the field is equal imo. Good haul Matthews is equal to Watkins? A healthy Watkins can be a star in this league. Not Matthews. Would have done the Darby trade but not the Sammy trade. me too.
Big Blitz Posted August 11, 2017 Posted August 11, 2017 Update on the Greatest WR class of all times.... 3 of them have been traded. Allen Robinson is apparently trash. And Landry's 5th year option not picked up. I have no idea what this means. Sent from my SM-G928V using Tapatalk
Bangarang Posted August 11, 2017 Posted August 11, 2017 These moves are only good if they help us get a franchise QB. If we end up taking more DBs and WRs just to replace these guys then it's a failure
Perry Turtle Posted August 11, 2017 Posted August 11, 2017 Like it Trade away starting WR, CB, 6th round 2018 Returned starting WR, CB, 2nd round, 3rd round 2018 Play on the field is equal imo. Good haul Mathews, Boldin, and Jones are all slot receivers. The Bills lack outside receivers. Watkins was a top-tier downfield threat. Despite the numbers, Matthews and Watkins are not equal. Especially since Matthews gained a large percentage of his yards in Chip Kelly's offense, which is nothing like the offense the Bills will run. And with Brady still going strong, and the Patriots adding to their WR Corp, the Bills should not be trading starting caliber DBs.
Formerly Allan in MD Posted August 11, 2017 Posted August 11, 2017 If Matthews produces and we can resign him, it's a solid move. If he produces and leaves, as Sammy would have, it's a gimme. Darby really fell off last season and wasn't showing much in camp. Something is going on. Good move.
May Day 10 Posted August 11, 2017 Posted August 11, 2017 Im no bills apologist... but im on board. With where i view this team, any move made for the future is great. This franchise hasnt given attention to the future in a long time
JM2009 Posted August 11, 2017 Posted August 11, 2017 Buffalo News SportsVerified account @TBNSports 23m23 minutes ago More Bills trades distance team from Doug Whaley, pivot roster squarely in Brandon Beane's direction. @bytimgraham: http://bit.ly/2hSM6lJ
Big C Posted August 11, 2017 Posted August 11, 2017 I think both the offense and defense got worse today in order to benefit next year. I don't know why we have Tyrod, Kyle, and a few others in this roster to help 2017 if 2018 and beyond is the push and they won't be a part of it I believe Beane when he says we aren't throwing in the towel with these moves. Tyrod (regardless of anyone's thoughts on him) and Kyle are two leaders in the locker room. I would wager that our success in 2017 was tied more to Tyrod than Sammy, and without guarantees as to what QB we get next year they have to keep a known commodity in Tyrod just in case all else fails regarding the draft next year.
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