Sig1Hunter Posted August 11, 2017 Posted August 11, 2017 Emotionally, it sucks. The excitement for a fresh season is suddenly gone. Couldn't even get to week 4, like usual, before that happened. Intellectually, I understand. More waiting to see playoff caliber football is getting extremely tiresome though.
Buddy Hix Posted August 11, 2017 Posted August 11, 2017 2017 was trending towards a 7-8 win season yesterday and now a 4-5 win season... I'll take the extra draft picks and hope to hit on a franchise QB in next year's draft. I'm fine with the trades and am happy this team seems to have a direction.
JM57 Posted August 11, 2017 Posted August 11, 2017 (edited) I'm a STH and I'll say on the record that I'm on board. It sucks, I liked Sammy. I hated he had injury troubles but don't blame him for that. I think he has an enormous amount of talent. I think it's going to go to waste in LA with Goff under center and he's going to have to sign a 1 year prove it deal for next season, a la Jeffery or Pryor, even if he stays healthy. I think we can say the same thing about Matthews and Gaines vs. Watkins and Darby. Less pure talent perhaps, but a better scheme fit and possibly lower cost on contract number 2. Gaines is a zone corner, Matthews is a prototype West Coast offense WR. I like Tyrod, but he has his limitations. I'll gladly take a season of sitting in my seats with a "come what may" attitude if it means that I'm watching a potential franchise QB next year. Unless this team somehow outperforms expectations immensely, they aren't making the playoffs. Two picks in each of the first three rounds should provide Beane with more than enough ammo to move up as far as he needs to get a franchise QB. I'm 29 years old and barely remember anything before the Home Run Throwback. The first game I remember attending, Todd Collins was the QB. I don't remember the good old glory years. All I know is sadness and mediocrity. I'm ready for Darnold, or Rosen, or Allen, or Rudolph. Let's do this. Edited August 11, 2017 by JM57
Guest NeckBeard Posted August 11, 2017 Posted August 11, 2017 I wish there was a maybe here. I am glad that the Bills got something of value from Watkins. I am glad that they have a bunch of picks in 2018, where I really hope that they don't draft players that don't make sense (this is an open statement, because who knows how this season will play out in terms of which positions need replacements, if THAT QB will be available to draft, etc). I am somewhat boggling about Darby: given what they gave up, and what they got back. Still, this is the dream scenario for many Bills' fans. They are finally doing something new, and they have rolled the dice here, since this year's draft, in a major way. Now let's hope it pays off.
Over 29 years of fanhood Posted August 11, 2017 Posted August 11, 2017 Basically the haul is: Sammy for Mathews + production, availability - flash, unrealized potential Darby for Gains + run support (scheme critical) - man press (not scheme critical) - contract lock A 6th for a 2nd and a 3rd The sheer economics of this move is pretty rock solid, provided these guys can prove they know how to draft. Once you get beyond the emotions of the loss of a bonafide "superstar"
thurst44 Posted August 11, 2017 Posted August 11, 2017 I like the trades long term (only the draft picks). Mathews is one year here and gone as a FA and Gaines is of no consequence. This year is going to be very painful to watch - think nearly 2016 Browns bad. Sadly, the thing that could screw everything up for next year would be Tyrod sandlotting his way to 5 or 6 wins thus keeping us out of reach of a good QB prospect next year. Watkins will be a FA next year and they did not expect that they would be willing to pay enough to keep him. Really? Why particularly this year?! LeSean McCoy's still there and has better blockers. The Bills were the #7 points-scoring offense last year with WRs getting hurt every week (and Watkins mostly not playing)? There's a good chance this defense is better with a healthy Lawson and Dareus and McD/Frazier taking over from the Ryan Family Circus. I can see expecting a 7-9 or 6-10 season, but why would you feel this team is historically bad when it's not much different than last year's, except maybe better (or at least more sane) coaching?!
Boatdrinks Posted August 11, 2017 Posted August 11, 2017 If signability was a concern why didn't they exercise the option???? Exactly, Coach. That would have been the best move and a better bet on realizing some payoff for the high price paid to draft SW. Surely there is another player that could have fetched a 2nd round pick on the roster to facilitate a move up if needed.
OldTimer1960 Posted August 11, 2017 Posted August 11, 2017 So franchise tag him. What is so wrong with keeping good young players? They now have to find another #1 receiver. The point is that they weren't willing to pay him what the Franchise tag would require.
thurst44 Posted August 11, 2017 Posted August 11, 2017 2017 was trending towards a 7-8 win season yesterday and now a 4-5 win season... I'll take the extra draft picks and hope to hit on a franchise QB in next year's draft. I'm fine with the trades and am happy this team seems to have a direction. Let's keep in mind that last year, Watkins had fewer than 500 yards and Darby was lit up like a torch. I really, truly liked the players and it pains me to see them go, but I don't see this as that impactful on this season as people think.
OldTimer1960 Posted August 11, 2017 Posted August 11, 2017 Really? Why particularly this year?! LeSean McCoy's still there and has better blockers. The Bills were the #7 points-scoring offense last year with WRs getting hurt every week (and Watkins mostly not playing)? There's a good chance this defense is better with a healthy Lawson and Dareus and McD/Frazier taking over from the Ryan Family Circus. I can see expecting a 7-9 or 6-10 season, but why would you feel this team is historically bad when it's not much different than last year's, except maybe better (or at least more sane) coaching?! My view is that the LBs and secondary are going to be very big weaknesses. With Darby gone, you have Seymour or Gaines (both downgrades) starting at corner. One CB injured and I don't know how they could even play nickel. No safety depth and only 2 starting caliber LBs on the team.
Roundybout Posted August 11, 2017 Posted August 11, 2017 At first, it was a kick in the nuts. Thinking about it more made me realize that this was the right thing to do for the long run.
voodoo poonani Posted August 11, 2017 Posted August 11, 2017 Limited options here. Dunno if i like it or dislike it. Certainly shocked by it. Is it a moneyball play? Idk.
Adam Posted August 11, 2017 Posted August 11, 2017 I'm on record as neutral to ok with the Darby trade, but I think trading Sammy was a huge mistake. I think his value is much higher than what he's shown so far...some his fault, but alot is on the QB as well. This trade will make us look worse than trading Lynch if he stays healthy, and this move hurts the offense for the foreseeable future. Yes, but if we have a piece that we think may be good right now, with a big payday coming, then we have a problem. What if we invest a lot to keep him and don't end up with the other parts. I'm for the full reset and build everything from the ground up. Sammy had some skills but I think he was very overrated
Perk71 Posted August 11, 2017 Posted August 11, 2017 Basically the haul is: Sammy for Mathews + production, availability - flash, unrealized potential Darby for Gains + run support (scheme critical) - man press (not scheme critical) - contract lock A 6th for a 2nd and a 3rd The sheer economics of this move is pretty rock solid, provided these guys can prove they know how to draft. Once you get beyond the emotions of the loss of a bonafide "superstar" Great, logical post
billsfan1960 Posted August 11, 2017 Posted August 11, 2017 Imo, these are good trades for the future with the additional picks in 2018. The last 17 years, there was no direction coming from the front office. I believe this team will be better than last year. Imo, the future is finally looking bright for this franchise. GO BILLS
Big C Posted August 11, 2017 Posted August 11, 2017 I say no. To evaluate the Watkins trade, I think back to the baffling decision to not exercise his option. If Watkins had his 5th year on his deal, we would've gotten more for him, as we would've been trading a longer rental. The Bills tanked Watkins' value by not exercising it. Then sold low. Idiotic. I personally thought he was an idiot as a person, but a talented idiot. He was arguably our youngest, best player. The exact player you keep in a rebuild, not sell low to the highest bidder. Darby on the other hand is different. Still say no, but if he was not having a good camp, couldn't do much in zones, I get it. As a superb athlete 1 year removed from a great year, I still say no, but I get it. I don't think that tanks his value. The team that traded for him is now free to work on an extension on their own terms and still have an out if he gets hurt again. Or, if the team is a so-called "competitor," they can bring the guy in for a year and pursue their title and aren't worried about crippling themselves financially in the next year or beyond. Frankly, I'm surprised the Rams went for him because they don't fit into the latter category (unless we are all sleeping on them this year).
Jauronimo Posted August 11, 2017 Posted August 11, 2017 (edited) Of all the WRs on the Iggles roster, why J-Matt? Maybe take a flier on Agholor. J-Matt is just a faster version of 2017 Boldin except with crappy hands. Edited August 11, 2017 by Jauronimo
Billsguy Posted August 11, 2017 Posted August 11, 2017 Short term the trade is a negative. Longer term the trade has the potential to be positive. The Bills are clearly looking to the future. The outlook for 2018 is to draft a top QB in the top 5 of the draft. As a result, Tyrod Taylor will be history. It will take the new QB a couple years to get enough seasoning to be effective. The Bills playoff drought might end around 2020 if things go well. The Bills have carved out a place in NFL history for futility. Go Bills!
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted August 11, 2017 Posted August 11, 2017 So Quinn early looks like I am solidly in the majority and not being a contrarian
Albwan Posted August 11, 2017 Posted August 11, 2017 (edited) Yes. The Watkins deal was particularly good. The team was moving on from him after this season and he didn't want to stay here. We got what will almost certainly be a very high 2nd round pick and a CB who showed real potential in 2014 prior to injury in return. That's stealing. This. Edited August 11, 2017 by Albwan
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