Kelly the Dog Posted August 11, 2017 Posted August 11, 2017 I say no. To evaluate the Watkins trade, I think back to the baffling decision to not exercise his option. If Watkins had his 5th year on his deal, we would've gotten more for him, as we would've been trading a longer rental. The Bills tanked Watkins' value by not exercising it. Then sold low. Idiotic. I personally thought he was an idiot as a person, but a talented idiot. He was arguably our youngest, best player. The exact player you keep in a rebuild, not sell low to the highest bidder. Darby on the other hand is different. Still say no, but if he was not having a good camp, couldn't do much in zones, I get it. As a superb athlete 1 year removed from a great year, I still say no, but I get it. That's a solid take.
Mike in Horseheads Posted August 11, 2017 Posted August 11, 2017 Yes. INitially very pissed. Now like it. Has a lot to do with thinking Pats are a lock this year, and possibly next if Brady still plays. Build for when he is gone Exact same initial reaction. Then looked at it as we're no better or worse off and added two good draft picks.
Wayne Cubed Posted August 11, 2017 Posted August 11, 2017 I say no. To evaluate the Watkins trade, I think back to the baffling decision to not exercise his option. If Watkins had his 5th year on his deal, we would've gotten more for him, as we would've been trading a longer rental. The Bills tanked Watkins' value by not exercising it. Then sold low. Idiotic. I personally thought he was an idiot as a person, but a talented idiot. He was arguably our youngest, best player. The exact player you keep in a rebuild, not sell low to the highest bidder. Darby on the other hand is different. Still say no, but if he was not having a good camp, couldn't do much in zones, I get it. As a superb athlete 1 year removed from a great year, I still say no, but I get it. Exactly what I've thought and argued in the Watkins thread. The 5th year option makes him more valuable. Do the Pats give up a 1st if Cook doesn't have the 5th year option? I doubt it.
Gavin in Va Beach Posted August 11, 2017 Posted August 11, 2017 Yes. Problem is the full benefits of this deal likely won't be felt until the 2019 season, and I hate waiting. But I don't believe our chances to win this year have been seriously downgraded. This season's success will depend on the running game and the defense, same as it ever was. If we can tweak the passing game into some sort of quasi west coast offense we should be fine.
DrDawkinstein Posted August 11, 2017 Posted August 11, 2017 Do I "like" the moves? No. Would I have done the same thing as GM? Probably, so I voted yes. I get it. I just dont like it "right now" and that is what we're voting on, so I'm torn.
PromoTheRobot Posted August 11, 2017 Posted August 11, 2017 I say no. To evaluate the Watkins trade, I think back to the baffling decision to not exercise his option. If Watkins had his 5th year on his deal, we would've gotten more for him, as we would've been trading a longer rental. The Bills tanked Watkins' value by not exercising it. Then sold low. Idiotic. I personally thought he was an idiot as a person, but a talented idiot. He was arguably our youngest, best player. The exact player you keep in a rebuild, not sell low to the highest bidder. Darby on the other hand is different. Still say no, but if he was not having a good camp, couldn't do much in zones, I get it. As a superb athlete 1 year removed from a great year, I still say no, but I get it. Agree. We burned the first bridge by not taking the fifth year. Then we get rid of him for questionable value in return. If they hit home runs in the 2018 Draft I'm sure I'll feel better but right now this sucks. I'm also convinced Sammy will be a Patriot next year.
SinceThe70s Posted August 11, 2017 Posted August 11, 2017 The player with the highest ceiling went the wrong direction so as I sit here today contemplating what to drown my sorrow with I do not like this trade. Hopefully in time I'll find I was wrong.
BringBackOrton Posted August 11, 2017 Posted August 11, 2017 Exactly what I've thought and argued in the Watkins thread. The 5th year option makes him more valuable. Do the Pats give up a 1st if Cook doesn't have the 5th year option? I doubt it. Looks bad if Beane's vision included getting the least amount back for a young promising player.
plenzmd1 Posted August 11, 2017 Posted August 11, 2017 I say no. To evaluate the Watkins trade, I think back to the baffling decision to not exercise his option. If Watkins had his 5th year on his deal, we would've gotten more for him, as we would've been trading a longer rental. The Bills tanked Watkins' value by not exercising it. Then sold low. Idiotic. I personally thought he was an idiot as a person, but a talented idiot. He was arguably our youngest, best player. The exact player you keep in a rebuild, not sell low to the highest bidder. Darby on the other hand is different. Still say no, but if he was not having a good camp, couldn't do much in zones, I get it. As a superb athlete 1 year removed from a great year, I still say no, but I get it. Good points on Watkins that I had not thought of before, but I never in the world thought they would trade Sammy. So I thought not picking up the option was worth the couple $M risk.
BillsFan17 Posted August 11, 2017 Posted August 11, 2017 I think the Darby trade was good, especially if they get Matthews to resign. Watkins I think they could have played it a bit differently.
Kirby Jackson Posted August 11, 2017 Author Posted August 11, 2017 Yes. The Watkins deal was particularly good. The team was moving on from him after this season and he didn't want to stay here. We got what will almost certainly be a very high 2nd round pick and a CB who showed real potential in 2014 prior to injury in return. That's stealing.I didn't know that he didn't want to stay here? I hadn't read that.
BringBackOrton Posted August 11, 2017 Posted August 11, 2017 Really good stuff here JMC. I've been known to deliver from time to time
Wayne Cubed Posted August 11, 2017 Posted August 11, 2017 Looks bad if Beane's vision included getting the least amount back for a young promising player. He even admitted, in the Pc, that they weren't shopping him but the Rams had enquiries back in June. Things finally ramped up. So Beane honestly thinks the best value he could get from Sammy was a 2nd round pick?
Heavy Kevi Posted August 11, 2017 Posted August 11, 2017 Here is my "bs in between" answer: I like them but feel we could have gotten more for SW.
Brianmoorman4jesus Posted August 11, 2017 Posted August 11, 2017 We will be fine at WR, but I'm concerned about CB
Kelly the Dog Posted August 11, 2017 Posted August 11, 2017 I didn't know that he didn't want to stay here? I hadn't read that.People are saying that because last week he said he absolutely wanted to be in Buffalo.
K D Posted August 11, 2017 Posted August 11, 2017 (edited) Here is my "bs in between" answer: I like them but feel we could have gotten more for SW. I agree. I would do the Darby trade in a second. I would have asked for more for Sammy (better CB or an additional pick). That's my final answer Edited August 11, 2017 by kdiggz
C.Biscuit97 Posted August 11, 2017 Posted August 11, 2017 That's probably not much different than everyday, amirite? You're 100% right. She's a saint for putting up with me. I'm complaining about the Watkins trade since I got home. She looked at his picture, said he was ugly, and she didn't care.
Maddog69 Posted August 11, 2017 Posted August 11, 2017 (edited) yes, because they weren't making a run to the playoffs before the trade and they aren't after. And now they have 2 extra picks to use as bait to get their QB of the future. The biggest IF in the whole thing is Sammy's health. If he stays healthy all year, he is a dynamic playmaker and much more helpful to the team than Matthews. If not, Matthews durability should help the Bills. The think Darby and the CB we acquired are basically the same guys. So that, to me, is a wash. The gravy in the deal is the extra picks. I love draft currency/flexibility. Edited August 11, 2017 by Maddog69
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