Kirby Jackson Posted August 11, 2017 Posted August 11, 2017 I don't know where to post this and figured that this was as good a place as any. In short, no, I don't trust them. They have accomplished nothing in this league and have a LOT of power at the moment. It may work out and it may be a disaster. There's no reason though to give them the benefit of the doubt. That hasn't been earned. This trade is a disaster. This is "half-pregnant." If you wanted to tank you shouldn't have re-signed Tyrod, you shouldn't have brought back KW, and you shouldn't have brought in Boldin. If you want to compete you shouldn't trade a CB & WR for a worse CB & WR.
Buffalo Boy Posted August 11, 2017 Author Posted August 11, 2017 Beane wasn't here for the draft... Conspiracy theorists will say he actually was. This is beyond comprehension. Makes no sense in anyones world. McDerma and Beane can just go **** themselves. Great tank job setup. I hate all of you. McCoy is probably next if he does not walk out on his own. Boldin probably trying to rescind his deal. This place is a full blown dumpster fire now. Bring back Whaley and let him hire a coach. I trust him.
Royale with Cheese Posted August 11, 2017 Posted August 11, 2017 are you freakin kidding me? You give away the most physically gifted WR of the best WR draft for WHAT??? a MEDIOCRE WR with an EXPIRING CONTRACT??? It's like hey let me trade in a Rolls Royce for a Chrysler and a scooter. woot! I got 2 vehicles! Son, that's how the poor gets poorer and the rich gets richer. Sammy Watkins isn't the most physically gifted WR. He's not a Rolls Royce. Watkins when healthy is a top 7 WR but the problem is he isn't healthy. Chrysler's are also garbage and Matthews isn't garbage. Watkins is a BMW. A lot of maintenance issues but runs very well and exciting when it's not in the shop. Matthews is Toyota, reliable, more cost effective but gets the job done.
dezertbill Posted August 11, 2017 Posted August 11, 2017 (edited) Thus far they get the benefit of the doubt from me. I see where they are going with this. It's really about setting up long term sustainable success more than this season. Tough pill to swallow for a fan base that hasn't seen a playoff game in 17 years. Only results will define whether they were schrewed or stupid. Edited August 11, 2017 by dezertbill
Buffalo Boy Posted August 11, 2017 Author Posted August 11, 2017 (edited) They traded a WR for a WR. Boldin can catch three in a row also. I'm sure of it. Our Pass Pro looks abysmal ( I know it's only one pre season game, but still) Our run game looks like it can stay where it was. They traded a CB for a CB. While, I'm not happy with the value they got for Sammy, if he continues on the same course, we won that trade. Darby isn't up to McD snuff? I trust them. Edited August 11, 2017 by Buffalo Boy
Kirby Jackson Posted August 11, 2017 Posted August 11, 2017 Thus far they get the benefit of the doubt from me. I see where they are going with this. It's really about setting up long term sustainable success more than this season. Tough pill to swallow for a fan base that hasn't seen a playoff game in 17 years. Only results will define whether they were schrewed or stupid. I just don't see trading a 24 year-old receiver with the potential to be a top 3 player as a good plan for the future.
BillsCelticsAngelsBama Posted August 11, 2017 Posted August 11, 2017 (edited) A second round pick and an iffy CB for Sammy fukkin Watkins?!!!! I think maybe Bellichick made this trade. I think they got hoodwinked. Gaines was losing his job in L.A.. GM/ coach get a D+ for value and an F for what they will have done for team morale. Who tries to lose more in week 1, Jets or Bills?? TankBowl Edited August 11, 2017 by MOVALLEYRANDY
dezertbill Posted August 11, 2017 Posted August 11, 2017 I don't see them being done either. I see them having their pulse on this team all the way until trade deadline. I also see them shedding the necessary 3 free agent signings in order to get an extra 3rd round pick. If your a name FA signing you have to ball out or be an exceptional team leader to stay on. Period.
PrimeTime101 Posted August 11, 2017 Posted August 11, 2017 I think I know how Philly fans felt when Chip Kelly Traded McCoy... Proof is in the Pudding! if it works.. it works.. if not.. Grab the puke buckets folks. These moves today all depend on how good our draft picks are next year..
Dorkington Posted August 11, 2017 Posted August 11, 2017 I don't trust any coach or GM on this team until we make the playoffs. All I know is they made us worse on paper today to bet on the future.
dezertbill Posted August 11, 2017 Posted August 11, 2017 I just don't see trading a 24 year-old receiver with the potential to be a top 3 player as a good plan for the future. Normally you have a point. But that 24 year old also has a history of injuries and based on his injury history may not have a greater value this season than now. Also, the Bills picked up a younger CB that was an all rookie before he was injured and is pretty much in the same boat as Watkins's. Even if Watkins had a 1200 yard season and 15 TDs that injury history will always be looming with any big time contract he signs. Oh, and they also picked up a 2nd round pick. Amo for our franchise QB. Also picking up a young Jordan Matthews will ease the loss of Watkins and from what I'm hearing fits more into Dennisons offense than Watkins. It's all subjective and no one will know for sure until years down the road. But the logic of the trade makes sense to me.
Doc Brown Posted August 11, 2017 Posted August 11, 2017 I'm never buying a freaking jersey again. The last four jerseys I've bought were McGahee, Edwards, Manuel, and Watkins.
Buffalo Boy Posted August 11, 2017 Author Posted August 11, 2017 Normally you have a point. But that 24 year old also has a history of injuries and based on his injury history may not have a greater value this season than now. Also, the Bills picked up a younger CB that was an all rookie before he was injured and is pretty much in the same boat as Watkins's. Even if Watkins had a 1200 yard season and 15 TDs that injury history will always be looming with any big time contract he signs. Oh, and they also picked up a 2nd round pick. Amo for our franchise QB. Also picking up a young Jordan Matthews will ease the loss of Watkins and from what I'm hearing fits more into Dennisons offense than Watkins. It's all subjective and no one will know for sure until years down the road. But the logic of the trade makes sense to me. Remember how we got screwed when Byrd left....?
Kirby Jackson Posted August 11, 2017 Posted August 11, 2017 Normally you have a point. But that 24 year old also has a history of injuries and based on his injury history may not have a greater value this season than now. Also, the Bills picked up a younger CB that was an all rookie before he was injured and is pretty much in the same boat as Watkins's. Even if Watkins had a 1200 yard season and 15 TDs that injury history will always be looming with any big time contract he signs. Oh, and they also picked up a 2nd round pick. Amo for our franchise QB. Also picking up a young Jordan Matthews will ease the loss of Watkins and from what I'm hearing fits more into Dennisons offense than Watkins. It's all subjective and no one will know for sure until years down the road. But the logic of the trade makes sense to me. If your plan was to deal Watkins why would you pick up his 5th year option to up his trade value? This wasn't done with foresight. Obviously he has injury concerns but he's healthy at the moment (healthier than Matthews). Matthews is a high end number 2, like Zay will be. They need a #1 now. If they get that they could be good. In terms of Gaines, he's not a very good player. He's a downgrade from Darby for sure. Hopefully, he can be in the rotation and help them. The picks are nice but you don't deal stars for role players.
Magox Posted August 11, 2017 Posted August 11, 2017 I don't know where to post this and figured that this was as good a place as any. In short, no, I don't trust them. They have accomplished nothing in this league and have a LOT of power at the moment. It may work out and it may be a disaster. There's no reason though to give them the benefit of the doubt. That hasn't been earned. This trade is a disaster. This is "half-pregnant." If you wanted to tank you shouldn't have re-signed Tyrod, you shouldn't have brought back KW, and you shouldn't have brought in Boldin. If you want to compete you shouldn't trade a CB & WR for a worse CB & WR. We'll know for sure if this was a good trade by the end of 2018 season.
Buffalo Boy Posted August 11, 2017 Author Posted August 11, 2017 The timing is questionable unless you used the beginning of camp to demonstrate watkins health. Or his recent comments were becoming a distraction. Either way - season tickets are printed and in peoples hands and you're dumping players for picks. Boo hoo. For all the condescension on this board towards those of us who have wanted changes made, questioning our fandom, real fans are down with this😘
Gordio Posted August 11, 2017 Posted August 11, 2017 To everyone caterwauling: Was Sammy going to take us to the promised land? How about Darby? Until the QB situation is resolved, these guys are like $10000 rims on a 1985 honda civic. You don't improve your team by getting rid of high quality young ball players. We got rid of 2 of them today. FU MCD you piece of sh*t.
Beast Posted August 11, 2017 Posted August 11, 2017 (edited) I don't know where to post this and figured that this was as good a place as any. In short, no, I don't trust them. They have accomplished nothing in this league and have a LOT of power at the moment. It may work out and it may be a disaster. There's no reason though to give them the benefit of the doubt. That hasn't been earned. This trade is a disaster. This is "half-pregnant." If you wanted to tank you shouldn't have re-signed Tyrod, you shouldn't have brought back KW, and you shouldn't have brought in Boldin. If you want to compete you shouldn't trade a CB & WR for a worse CB & WR. Yet, Matthews has been much more productive AND Darby sucked so bad last season he was benched. Edited August 11, 2017 by Binghamton Beast
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted August 11, 2017 Posted August 11, 2017 Boo hoo. For all the condescension on this board towards those of us who have wanted changes made, questioning our fandom, real fans are down with this THIS. For the better part of a decade I've begged for this kind of thing. Finally, the day's come. A team leadership with a plan.
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