thebandit27 Posted August 17, 2017 Posted August 17, 2017 He ran out of bounds once against the Dolphins, so... Bills fans might just be morons. Not physical is the last thing I think of with Sammy. Just watch his release off the line--he straight plows DBs. It's one of the reasons that teams give up the short stuff to him so willingly--if you get in his face he's going to steamroll through you and climb over the top with his speed.
HappyDays Posted August 17, 2017 Posted August 17, 2017 When is Sammy physical? He doesn't make contested catches, he doesn't get a lot of YAC. I can't see him plowing through a LB to get an extra few yards on a screen. Frankly I wouldn't want him to because I'd worry he'll be grabbing his leg when he gets up.
jethro_tull Posted August 17, 2017 Posted August 17, 2017 Nope. Bad deal. Maybe one of the worst ever if Sammy is fully recovered from the foot. And yes...it does speak volumes. As in it tells me that the Rams value him and will do everything in their power to make sure he stays healthy and performs at his best. The Watkins hate here is absurd and it honestly reeks of bitterness that you just won't own up to. Possibly more like a huge rationalization- that trading away the best receiver on the team, with developed chemistry with our QB, and is ready to play for the first time in a over a year- is somehow a good thing. Bills fans are nothing if not supremely talented rationalists. The reality is that our shiny new GM might not know what he is doing. This is a frightening thought that many fans do not want to consider.
HappyDays Posted August 17, 2017 Posted August 17, 2017 Not physical is the last thing I think of with Sammy. Just watch his release off the line--he straight plows DBs. It's one of the reasons that teams give up the short stuff to him so willingly--if you get in his face he's going to steamroll through you and climb over the top with his speed. Whatever elite traits Sammy has, they come from his speed/agility and ball tracking skills. I don't think of him as a physical receiver like Julio Jones or AJ Green. I'm surprised anyone does.
thebandit27 Posted August 17, 2017 Posted August 17, 2017 When is Sammy physical? He doesn't make contested catches, he doesn't get a lot of YAC. I can't see him plowing through a LB to get an extra few yards on a screen. Frankly I wouldn't want him to because I'd worry he'll be grabbing his leg when he gets up. You don't remember him running over Ryan Shazier in his final game at Clemson? It's hard to make contested catches when the QB doesn't really throw contested balls. Though I would say that his 2015 game against KC almost exclusively featured contested catches against Smith/Parker/Berry. I remember the one that set up his 2nd TD vividly--he beat Berry to the ball and then finished the catch by tossing Parker to the ground with one hand. Whatever elite traits Sammy has, they come from his speed/agility and ball tracking skills. I don't think of him as a physical receiver like Julio Jones or AJ Green. I'm surprised anyone does. Again, you need to watch him operate from his release. He routinely mauls his way through the jam.
Crusher Posted August 17, 2017 Posted August 17, 2017 Whatever elite traits Sammy has, they come from his speed/agility and ball tracking skills. I don't think of him as a physical receiver like Julio Jones or AJ Green. I'm surprised anyone does. This is probably because you're football takes are on par with Stevie Wonder
GG Posted August 17, 2017 Posted August 17, 2017 You don't remember him running over Ryan Shazier in his final game at Clemson? Unfortunately Shazier's payback has hurt Sammy much more
row_33 Posted August 17, 2017 Posted August 17, 2017 Your just realizing this now? The ****ty football the past 17 years has made them idiots. Wait until they win a game and the bandwagon starts piling up on here. On the BBMB the GDT would have 3 or 4 until the Bills took the lead, then 35 jumped in immediately.
jethro_tull Posted August 17, 2017 Posted August 17, 2017 Wait until they win a game and the bandwagon starts piling up on here. On the BBMB the GDT would have 3 or 4 until the Bills took the lead, then 35 jumped in immediately. They could very well win some games and wind up being better- but it will be in spite of trading Watkins, not because of it.
26CornerBlitz Posted August 17, 2017 Posted August 17, 2017 Wait until they win a game and the bandwagon starts piling up on here. On the BBMB the GDT would have 3 or 4 until the Bills took the lead, then 35 jumped in immediately. Why, Oh Why did the BBMB have to die???
row_33 Posted August 17, 2017 Posted August 17, 2017 Why, Oh Why did the BBMB have to die??? There were a few really good threads at the time, one with a fan in a dire health crisis getting support from us. Oh well... They could very well win some games and wind up being better- but it will be in spite of trading Watkins, not because of it. Eventually you'll move on from Sammy, I just assumed he would get hurt doing a Paula Abdul dance routine on a 5 yard reception and miss the first 8 games anyways.
thebandit27 Posted August 17, 2017 Posted August 17, 2017 There were a few really good threads at the time, one with a fan in a dire health crisis getting support from us. Oh well... Eventually you'll move on from Sammy, I just assumed he would get hurt doing a Paula Abdul dance routine on a 5 yard reception and miss the first 8 games anyways. that's a really poor assumption considering that it would be 180 degrees opposite of his performance to date.
row_33 Posted August 17, 2017 Posted August 17, 2017 that's a really poor assumption considering that it would be 180 degrees opposite of his performance to date. He's prone to injury. Simple as that. A half-gimp. A pity, had a lot of potential.
26CornerBlitz Posted August 17, 2017 Posted August 17, 2017 (edited) He's prone to injury. Simple as that. A half-gimp. A pity, had a lot of potential. Unfounded silliness. No doubt you would have said the same about Julio Jones and Dez Bryant. Past injuries that Sammy has sustained are not predictive moving forward. Edited August 17, 2017 by 26CornerBlitz
thebandit27 Posted August 17, 2017 Posted August 17, 2017 (edited) He's prone to injury. Simple as that. A half-gimp. A pity, had a lot of potential. Football players are prone to injury; that's not precisely a hot-take. He missed 3 games in his first 2 seasons, playing through most of his issues. One season of missing substantial time out of 3 doesn't mean that it's the norm. For you to characterize him as missing half-seasons with regularity based on injuries accumulated celebrating is categorically false, as is calling him a half-gimp...and, for that matter, so is stating his "potential" in the past-tense. You're talking about a guy that produces on par with the Julio/Brown/OBJ types whenever he's been given similar target shares, which I know is unpopular to acknowledge these days, but true nevertheless. Edited August 17, 2017 by thebandit27
26CornerBlitz Posted August 17, 2017 Posted August 17, 2017 @DailyNewsVinny 1. When you watch Sammy Watkins practice with #Rams, the impact is like putting Giancarlo Stanton in the middle of teams batting order. 2. The whole dynamic of the batting order changes. Including how other teams attack it
dave mcbride Posted August 17, 2017 Posted August 17, 2017 Whatever elite traits Sammy has, they come from his speed/agility and ball tracking skills. I don't think of him as a physical receiver like Julio Jones or AJ Green. I'm surprised anyone does. He's certainly physical. He's good at beating the jam -- the most important "physical" component of being a WR in the NFL. @DailyNewsVinny 1. When you watch Sammy Watkins practice with #Rams, the impact is like putting Giancarlo Stanton in the middle of teams batting order. 2. The whole dynamic of the batting order changes. Including how other teams attack it great comp. I've been following training camp reports, and he is apparently the best player out there right now. This trade was so dumb ... He's prone to injury. Simple as that. A half-gimp. A pity, had a lot of potential. Weak post.
thebandit27 Posted August 17, 2017 Posted August 17, 2017 @DailyNewsVinny 1. When you watch Sammy Watkins practice with #Rams, the impact is like putting Giancarlo Stanton in the middle of teams batting order. 2. The whole dynamic of the batting order changes. Including how other teams attack it Yep...the biggest statistical indicator of how much of a difference he makes is Taylor's YPA with Watkins (8.8) vs without (6.2) great comp. I've been following training camp reports, and he is apparently the best player out there right now. This trade was so dumb ... Shocking.
26CornerBlitz Posted August 17, 2017 Posted August 17, 2017 Yep...the biggest statistical indicator of how much of a difference he makes is Taylor's YPA with Watkins (8.8) vs without (6.2) Shocking. Can Jordan Matthews (or any other current Bills' WR) impact defenses even when he's not getting the ball? Nope!
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