Bills trade Sammy Watkins to Rams for CB Gaines, 2nd rd pick

[26CornerBlitz]

If you were Sammy Watkins and became a free agent, can you give even one reason why you'd sign with Buffalo?

 

He had a disdain for the city and its fans, is a warm weather guy, and would OBVIOUSLY want to play with a top tier quarterback in a larger advertising market on a contending team.

 

So many people here assume that because you draft a player they just HAVE to resign there. It was never going to happen.

 

Everyone had a meltdown when Gilmore left with the Bills getting nothing to show for it.

 

And now they get market or above on a guy with a janky foot that has stayed healthy exactly never, but y'all would have rather let him walk for free. No wonder why the folks here are just little people working their little jobs and not NFL General Managers.

 

Another one making things up. Hyperbole and exaggeration do not make your point of view any more truthful or accurate.

Edited August 14, 2017 by 26CornerBlitz

[stinky finger]

Scott you know they're not just saving money for no reason. There is some logic behind what they're doing, this is not the Ralph years like you seem to think. Will it work out, who knows, but you're ignoring the logic behind it completely. They don't believe elite receivers are necessary for championships and/or Sammy's attitude bothered them and/or they didn't feel it was realistic to pay what he will want when on the field he hasn't lived up to it. So they got a pick for him because he doesn't fit into their future plans. It makes sense, we just have to see how the draft picks go.

 

yessir - agreed

 

Beyond the guys who have recently re-upped with the Bills, this Sammy didn't want to be here narrative is made up and offered without a single shred of evidence to support it.

Agree on this also.

 

The exact opposite, actually. He was not wanted.

[26CornerBlitz]

 

yessir - agreed

Agree on this also.

 

The exact opposite, actually. He was not wanted.

 

Obviously true now and he was completely caught off guard by the trade to the Rams

[stinky finger]

 

Obviously true now and he was completely caught off guard by the trade to the Rams

Right - I was merely pointing out that those in favor of this move need to get off the premise that Sammy didn't want to stay.

 

As you said, it is obvious - just not to everyone.

[DriveFor1Outta5]

. Most everything is being made up since none of us is privy to the inside story.

This ^ We are all here simply discussing our personal options that we base on our individual logic. Aside from that, I don't have much more to say on this topic.

[3rdand12]

 

 

That's fine, if the argument that was out there was balanced and true to what the real calculus was about.

 

Potential to be an elite WR in this league VS. durability issues and $17M + price tag

 

They made the determination that they didn't believe he was going to be worth that price over the long-term for whatever reason it may be, so they decided to try to get as much value as they could from him.

 

I think the vast majority of Bills fans will miss that homerun ability that he had. It sucks that we won't be able to see him play considering that he very well may be fully healthy. But I get it, I totally get where McD/Beane are coming from, they aren't sold on him and they decided to move forward without him. And that is the bottom line.

 

You can dislike the decision as you stated earlier but this was the calculus.

this is a fair perception

I think that McCoy is saying that Sammy never had anyone on the team that knew anything about winning in the NFL. Could've used Anquan a lot earlier than this year.

Yep. Never had the mentor to help him achieve his potential.

And The Ryan Circus was not good for anyone's development

[nucci]

Scott you know they're not just saving money for no reason. There is some logic behind what they're doing, this is not the Ralph years like you seem to think. Will it work out, who knows, but you're ignoring the logic behind it completely. They don't believe elite receivers are necessary for championships and/or Sammy's attitude bothered them and/or they didn't feel it was realistic to pay what he will want when on the field he hasn't lived up to it. So they got a pick for him because he doesn't fit into their future plans. It makes sense, we just have to see how the draft picks go.

If they believe this then they are idiots

Sorry if I called you pathetic.

 

The constant excuse making for the franchise is pathetic.(not you specifically)

 

It makes little sense to trade a talent like Sammy Watkins. He obviously doesn't fit into their future plans because they traded him.

 

Im suggesting these guys are morons for not having a TALENT like Sammy Watkins in their future plans. As Coach Tuesday already mentioned a couple times, they won't find another talent like Sammy for a LONG time.

 

They could've avoided him taking up that much cap space by picking up his option.

 

These guys clearly didn't like Sammy Watkins. My question is why?

 

His foot injury last season? It's football. EVERYONE gets hurt. He wants to get paid? What is wrong with paying a guy if he performs?

 

The New York Giants(a franchise we as fans can only wish our team operated like) have a complete head case who wants to get paid in OBJ. You think they'd trade him away because he wants a big pay day and is a prima donna?

 

Not a chance.

 

They undervalued Sammy, IMO. Like I've said, these are a couple of guys that think they are smarter then everyone else. We've seen that here in the past. It don't work.

Well said....not that it matters but I agree. Ridiculous that they didn't want thim

[thebandit27]

"He didn't want to be here" is ALWAYS what a certain faction of fans will say whenever a player leaves via trade or UFA.

 

It's almost never the driving factor.

 

Sammy would've played here if he were paid what he wanted, just the same as Gilmore would've re-signed here for the right price (like Hughes, Glenn, and many others over the years)

[BillsFan4]

Sorry if I called you pathetic.

The constant excuse making for the franchise is pathetic.(not you specifically)

It makes little sense to trade a talent like Sammy Watkins. He obviously doesn't fit into their future plans because they traded him.

Im suggesting these guys are morons for not having a TALENT like Sammy Watkins in their future plans. As Coach Tuesday already mentioned a couple times, they won't find another talent like Sammy for a LONG time.

They could've avoided him taking up that much cap space by picking up his option.

These guys clearly didn't like Sammy Watkins. My question is why?

His foot injury last season? It's football. EVERYONE gets hurt. He wants to get paid? What is wrong with paying a guy if he performs?

The New York Giants(a franchise we as fans can only wish our team operated like) have a complete head case who wants to get paid in OBJ. You think they'd trade him away because he wants a big pay day and is a prima donna?

Not a chance.

They undervalued Sammy, IMO. Like I've said, these are a couple of guys that think they are smarter then everyone else. We've seen that here in the past. It don't work.

Thanks for the apology. Appreciate it.

[NoSaint]

"He didn't want to be here" is ALWAYS what a certain faction of fans will say whenever a player leaves via trade or UFA.

 

It's almost never the driving factor.

 

Sammy would've played here if he were paid what he wanted, just the same as Gilmore would've re-signed here for the right price (like Hughes, Glenn, and many others over the years)

I don't think it was this thread, but I mentioned yesterday that beane using the term resignability was a great way to subtly frame this as a player that was either greedy or at odds with the team instead of simply a team that didn't value the player. It's truly a loaded word in this context that he's used for fan support.

[26CornerBlitz]

I don't think it was this thread, but I mentioned yesterday that beane using the term resignability was a great way to subtly frame this as a player that was either greedy or at odds with the team instead of simply a team that didn't value the player. It's truly a loaded word in this context that he's used for fan support.

 

He also said that they hadn't even broached the subject with Sammy or his representatives. He's just trying to sell BS sandwiches to justify jettisoning a clearly talented player that most fans were excited to finally see at 100% health. We'll find out in the long run weather their (McDermott & Beane) vision is successful.

[3rdand12]

"He didn't want to be here" is ALWAYS what a certain faction of fans will say whenever a player leaves via trade or UFA.

 

It's almost never the driving factor.

 

Sammy would've played here if he were paid what he wanted, just the same as Gilmore would've re-signed here for the right price (like Hughes, Glenn, and many others over the years)

It is a business pure and simple.

I had mentioned i felt he was less than delighted being a Bill for multiple reasons. and likely few of them his doing. But that is not why players sign or resign is it ?

 

He also said that they hadn't even broached the subject with Sammy or his representatives. He's just trying to sell BS sandwiches to justify jettisoning a clearly talented player that most fans were excited to finally see at 100% health. We'll find out in the long run weather their (McDermott & Beane) vision is successful.

Indeed we will.

Much too soon to reach long term conclusions my friend. and there is Almost Always more to the story : )

[NoSaint]

 

He also said that they hadn't even broached the subject with Sammy or his representatives. He's just trying to sell BS sandwiches to justify jettisoning a clearly talented player that most fans were excited to finally see at 100% health. We'll find out in the long run weather their (McDermott & Beane) vision is successful.

And it may come up aces for him, honestly, but it certainly leaves me very uneasy.

 

Completely dismantling the young core of the team (not just this trade) is a bold play and if it flops it's the type of strategy that takes time to come back from. If we throw this year out, and next year is a rookie qb with a lot of very green mid rounders around him, it's almost become a 3 year plan that if it flops leaves us in a deep hole to dig out of... there's some part of me that thinks the roster wasn't terrible and the cap situation not dire so we probably could've married maximizing talent with collecting resources for a trade up or trade for... or just let TT go and keep other long term talent in our pocket if tanking was the goal.

[Boatdrinks]

I don't think it was this thread, but I mentioned yesterday that beane using the term resignability was a great way to subtly frame this as a player that was either greedy or at odds with the team instead of simply a team that didn't value the player. It's truly a loaded word in this context that he's used for fan support.

There is zero doubt in my mind. The entire move was focused on damage control. A subtle smear at the player by the GM. If Sammy stayed and produced and the couldn't re-sign him BB looks worse than he does now. By a mile

So you're a veteran on this board ... with all those posts ... doesn't it show you continue to support this "inept organization" ... why continue to monitor this board ... Please name me a Top 5 player in position who was a draft pick of ours (except maybe Dareus when he decides to play and Williams two DT's) who stayed in Buffalo come free agency or went elsewhere and took the money and ran to another team.

 

Don't get me wrong .. there is Freedom of speech .. I'm speaking mine ..but my INCREDIBLY INACCURATE ASSUMPTION was based on ... and not saying these guys were top 5 in position ... but were free agent losses Gilmore, Byrd, Levitre, Whitner .. .etc etc etc.

 

You have confused being able to re sign with wanting to re sign. The team thinks that DBs are overpaid , so they draft and replace them every few years. You can't pay top $$ at every position. Levitres contract was so outrageous for an interior lineman that he was off TEN after just a couple seasons. In today's NFL you need to have a good passing game . TheBills have been deficient in this area seemingly forever . A guy of Watkins talent was worth keeping for the next two years. That would dictate if he got a long term deal after 2018 . That was the smart play , not dumping SW for a 2nd rounder instead of seeing if he can be healthy and the top WR he's capable of being

[boyst]

haha. I'm not a fan of the trade at this point in time. But now that it's mentioned, I follow most of the Bills players on twitter and didn't see anything from anyone thanking Sammy or acting sad that he's gone (unless I missed it). Maybe meaningless but just compared to what happened with Jmatt.

per one of our bills insiders here who didn't say it here but elsewhere Sammy is a cancer in the locker room and had to go. They posted this afternoon the game Thursday.

[Rico]

per one of our bills insiders here who didn't say it here but elsewhere Sammy is a cancer in the locker room and had to go. They posted this afternoon the game Thursday.

Thanks for the intel.

[26CornerBlitz]

And it may come up aces for him, honestly, but it certainly leaves me very uneasy.

 

Completely dismantling the young core of the team (not just this trade) is a bold play and if it flops it's the type of strategy that takes time to come back from. If we throw this year out, and next year is a rookie qb with a lot of very green mid rounders around him, it's almost become a 3 year plan that if it flops leaves us in a deep hole to dig out of... there's some part of me that thinks the roster wasn't terrible and the cap situation not dire so we probably could've married maximizing talent with collecting resources for a trade up or trade for... or just let TT go and keep other long term talent in our pocket if tanking was the goal.

 

It absolutely could. They have accumulated quite a bit of ammunition heading into the 2018 draft and let us all hope they use it wisely.

[26CornerBlitz]

Yepp.

 

This was Pegulas hire right?

 

Yea.... I think he !@#$ed up again.

 

As you said don't half ass it.

 

If your going to tank, tank. If you want to compete then compete. There is no plan.

 

Talking Kyle into coming back, re-signing LoRax, signing Boldin (all older players), only to subsequently trade Sammy makes no sense with an eye toward the future.

[stinky finger]

Yepp.

 

This was Pegulas hire right?

 

Yea.... I think he !@#$ed up again.

 

As you said don't half ass it.

 

If your going to tank, tank. If you want to compete then compete. There is no plan.

Boldin bad for Zay and the other young wideouts?

 

TT?

 

Eric Wood?

 

Trade Mccoy?

 

Marcel? get out from underneath his contract. He doesn't seem like their cup of tea.

 

Incognito?

 

Glenn?

 

KW?

 

What would you do to tank?

 

Talking Kyle into coming back, re-signing LoRax, signing Boldin (all older players), only to subsequently trade Sammy makes no sense with an eye toward the future.

Forgot to mention Lorenzo

[26CornerBlitz]

Boldin bad for Zay and the other young wideouts?

 

TT?

 

Eric Wood?

 

Trade Mccoy?

 

Marcel? get out from underneath his contract. He doesn't seem like their cup of tea.

 

Incognito?

 

Glenn?

 

KW?

 

What would you do to tank?

Forgot to mention Lorenzo

 

LoRax is Lorenzo.