thebandit27 Posted August 13, 2017 Share Posted August 13, 2017 All my favorite reasonable posters are getting sucked into this guys silliness At first I thought he was actually serious; now I feel silly for ever considering that a possibility Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boatdrinks Posted August 13, 2017 Share Posted August 13, 2017 As a precaution at OTAs certainly, but not since camp at SJF opened. He's been full go every day. Given the successful history of players who undergo 2nd procedures for Jones fractures, I would have kept him around in anticipation of acquiring a new franchise QB next season. And that is exactly the crux of this. Why a move by the Bills now? It seems very premature. Since he was under contract for this year and they could have kept him at his 5th year option number for 2018 before making any big decision if they were " leery" now, what's the explanation? It's rather obvious that SW being healthy and putting up numbers this season was a distinct possibility, leaving much potential fallout upon his departure from the team next offseason. Our brain trust was trying to avoid a PR disaster next spring. Doesn't inspire much confidence for me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted August 13, 2017 Share Posted August 13, 2017 No he hasnt been a full go. Mcdermott stated that they have managed his repa and brought him along gently. Where are you getting this bs from? You obviously haven't paying attention to what has happened at camp on a daily basis. Educate yourself. See ya! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boatdrinks Posted August 13, 2017 Share Posted August 13, 2017 Clearly you cant read one guy said hes been 100% in training camps. To whcih I countered with just one article that happened 7 days ago to which he left the field for a while. What motivates your complete understanding of the english language. Is leaving the field for awhile the same as missing a practice? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill_with_it Posted August 13, 2017 Share Posted August 13, 2017 Just don't. This poster is just messing with you. Re-read that last sentence I went to school I'm sure there will come a day when something you post is finally proven to be correct...I'll raise a glass to you on that fine day. But today ain't it You stated that i have an aversion for facts. Aversion is dislike. All of this was in response to where a poster said sammy has been 100% in tc. He hasnt. That is 100% a fact. If you are going to use a word you arent familiar with look it up prior to posting on a message board. Is leaving the field for awhile the same as missing a practice?Is being 100% not mean without injury? Or are we just rounding 90 something percent to 100 because sammy? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boatdrinks Posted August 13, 2017 Share Posted August 13, 2017 Agree. But my sense is there are things behind the scenes we are not aware of nor will be aware of. Those behind the scenes things are likely along the lines of SW agent telling Beane that he won't be signing with them after they didn't pick up his option. That mistake then led to the next mistake, the player being traded for a minimal return. You stated that i have an aversion for facts. Aversion is dislike. All of this was in response to where a poster said sammy has been 100% in tc. He hasnt. That is 100% a fact. If you are going to use a word you arent familiar with look it up prior to posting on a message board. Is being 100% not mean without injury? Or are we just rounding 90 something percent to 100 because sammy? Lots of guys leave the field during practice for various things. It doesn't mean they don't come back or they miss a practice. It certainly doesn't mean they aren't healthy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magox Posted August 13, 2017 Share Posted August 13, 2017 (edited) I definitely recognize that it played a role I simply believe that it was still a bad decision That's fine, if the argument that was out there was balanced and true to what the real calculus was about. Potential to be an elite WR in this league VS. durability issues and $17M + price tag They made the determination that they didn't believe he was going to be worth that price over the long-term for whatever reason it may be, so they decided to try to get as much value as they could from him. I think the vast majority of Bills fans will miss that homerun ability that he had. It sucks that we won't be able to see him play considering that he very well may be fully healthy. But I get it, I totally get where McD/Beane are coming from, they aren't sold on him and they decided to move forward without him. And that is the bottom line. You can dislike the decision as you stated earlier but this was the calculus. Edited August 13, 2017 by Magox Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted August 13, 2017 Share Posted August 13, 2017 Just don't. This poster is just messing with you. Re-read that last sentence I went to school I'm sure there will come a day when something you post is finally proven to be correct...I'll raise a glass to you on that fine day. But today ain't it Good advice. Not wasting another second. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldmanfan Posted August 13, 2017 Share Posted August 13, 2017 Those behind the scenes things are likely along the lines of SW agent telling Beane that he won't be signing with them after they didn't pick up his option. That mistake then led to the next mistake, the player being traded for a minimal return. I disagree about minimal return. From Beane's presser he said teams have been inquiring about Sammy for a couple months. And I would imagine they weren't offering first round picks and/or numerous players for a guy they were not assured was injury free. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebandit27 Posted August 13, 2017 Share Posted August 13, 2017 That's fine, if the argument that was out there was balanced and true to what the real calculus was about. Potential to be an elite WR in this league VS. durability issues and $17M + price tag They made the determination that they didn't believe he was going to be worth that price over the long-term for whatever reason it may be, so they decided to try to get as much value as they could from him. I think the vast majority of Bills fans will miss that homerun ability that he had. It sucks that we won't be able to see him play considering that he very well may be fully healthy. But I get it, I totally get where McD/Beane are coming from, they aren't sold on him and they decided to move forward without him. And that is the bottom line. You can dislike the decision as you stated earlier but this was the calculus. Yeah, that basically sums it up Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boatdrinks Posted August 13, 2017 Share Posted August 13, 2017 If he did get hurt it would have left the Bills with nothing. With the trade they get another starting WR and a draft pick. Not saying I wanted the trade, but I can see their thought process. The WR came in a different trade, so no need to dump Sammy to acquire him. A 2nd round pick is not near the value of a Watkins if he's healthy. They would lose nothing if he didn't pan out except an injured player that they no longer wanted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldmanfan Posted August 13, 2017 Share Posted August 13, 2017 The WR came in a different trade, so no need to dump Sammy to acquire him. A 2nd round pick is not near the value of a Watkins if he's healthy. They would lose nothing if he didn't pan out except an injured player that they no longer wanted.. If he's healthy. If the opportunity to get Matthews hadn't been there the Rams trade may not have happened. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boatdrinks Posted August 13, 2017 Share Posted August 13, 2017 I disagree about minimal return. From Beane's presser he said teams have been inquiring about Sammy for a couple months. And I would imagine they weren't offering first round picks and/or numerous players for a guy they were not assured was injury free. The return was minimal vs the potential return if he was healthy and playing for the Bills. SW was acquired with a sunk cost for this group, they didn't draft him they inherited him. Zero to lose if he didn't pan out and a big gain if he did. Teams started inquiring after the option wasn't picked up leaving Beane in a panic. He took a minimal return now vs an even smaller one later if SW had a good year and it became clear he wouldn't re- sign in Buffalo . Then it would have been a fire sale price of say a fourth rounder. Just a grossly incompetent mismanagement of a team asset . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldmanfan Posted August 13, 2017 Share Posted August 13, 2017 The return was minimal vs the potential return if he was healthy and playing for the Bills. SW was acquired with a sunk cost for this group, they didn't draft him they inherited him. Zero to lose if he didn't pan out and a big gain if he did. Teams started inquiring after the option wasn't picked up leaving Beane in a panic. He took a minimal return now vs an even smaller one later if SW had a good year and it became clear he wouldn't re- sign in Buffalo . Then it would have been a fire sale price of say a fourth rounder. Just a grossly incompetent mismanagement of a team asset .. All you have are words like if and potential and crap like that. And Beane did not panic. Teams have been approaching him for several months. I didn't want him traded, but you're being absurd at this point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boatdrinks Posted August 13, 2017 Share Posted August 13, 2017 (edited) . All you have are words like if and potential and crap like that. And Beane did not panic. Teams have been approaching him for several months. I didn't want him traded, but you're being absurd at this point. He panicked when he realized that Watkins was healthy and what that could mean in the upcoming offseason . He obviously took time to make the move just weeks before the season, but the entire move was based on a panic of not being able to re-sign the player. That's far from absurd. SW was a team asset already acquired. There was no further cost to the team to keep him this season and a reasonable cost for 2018. Why is that hard to understand? He knew he screwed up and lost the player, so it was look bad now or look worse later. He pretty much admitted that when he talked about " signability". That's what this was about . They screwed up, regardless of the spin they are trying to put on it now. Edited August 13, 2017 by Boatdrinks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted August 13, 2017 Share Posted August 13, 2017 @mikerodak Jim Kelly said Sunday that Tyrod Taylor losing Sammy Watkins is "like me losing Andre Reed," but urges Bills fans to "stay on the wagon." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boatdrinks Posted August 13, 2017 Share Posted August 13, 2017 @mikerodak Jim Kelly said Sunday that Tyrod Taylor losing Sammy Watkins is "like me losing Andre Reed," but urges Bills fans to "stay on the wagon." That about sums it up. But some will believe the OBD spin that this is somehow a good move. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldmanfan Posted August 13, 2017 Share Posted August 13, 2017 He panicked when he realized that Watkins was healthy and what that could mean in the upcoming offseason . He obviously took time to make the move just weeks before the season, but the entire move was based on a panic of not being able to re-sign the player. That's far from absurd. SW was a team asset already acquired. There was no further cost to the team to keep him this season and a reasonable cost for 2018. Why is that hard to understand? He knew he screwed up and lost the player, so it was look bad now or look worse later. He pretty much admitted that when he talked about " signability". That's what this was about . They screwed up, regardless of the spin they are trying to put on it now.Saying he panicked is completely absurd. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rico Posted August 13, 2017 Share Posted August 13, 2017 I found Shady's quotes to be interesting. This one in particular - "Sammy's one of them guys where, he's been like a superstar his whole life," McCoy said. "He hasn't had a real older mentor that has done more than him that can really give him advice. It's one thing to take advice from older guys that he's probably better than or done more than. But a guy that can really talk about success on the field and off the field, and listen to ... that's something we've been developing even in my short period of time here" Maybe it's just me, but I kind of felt that McCoy was implying that Sammy never had any real interest in listening to or taking advise from any veteran players that were not as talented as he was. Maybe I'm misinterpreting, but that's what I got from it. I think that McCoy is saying that Sammy never had anyone on the team that knew anything about winning in the NFL. Could've used Anquan a lot earlier than this year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldmanfan Posted August 13, 2017 Share Posted August 13, 2017 @mikerodak I will say again I didn't like the trade. But Jimbo is just being silly now. Reed was his slot guy, and played a different role than Sammy had been playing. Plus Andre was durable. I didn't like the trade because I thought Dennison was going to use Sammy the way he should have been used, slants, screens, etc. And I think Sammy if healthy would have thrived. I remain thinking other factors were going on behind the scenes. Jim Kelly said Sunday that Tyrod Taylor losing Sammy Watkins is "like me losing Andre Reed," but urges Bills fans to "stay on the wagon." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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