DriveFor1Outta5 Posted August 12, 2017 Share Posted August 12, 2017 (edited) so by this logic, Shady, Kyle, Richie, Dareus should all be traded. It wouldn't upset me, but I think that the franchise may believe they have the picks needed to make a move. There is no need to trade everyone away in that case. I made a bit of a hyperbolic statement about QB's. Of course a team needs talent, but a lot ultimately depends on the QB. Recievers without a QB don't help teams win titles. Do you really believe the Pats success has that much to do with anyone other than Brady? Edited August 12, 2017 by DriveFor1Outta5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted August 12, 2017 Share Posted August 12, 2017 QB's win in this league. Sammy's talent hasn't and wouldn't win us anything. Sometimes the "third best" QB in a deep draft turns out to be pretty good. Do you think it's a better scenario to just get the first pick? or alternatively surround that third best qb with some proven vet talent if we are not tanking? 3rd qb with day extra two rookies instead of a vet roster seems like the worst of the options there Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stinky finger Posted August 12, 2017 Share Posted August 12, 2017 The wins didn't pile up with the crappy linemen either. The DBs helped the team more than those guys that I listed. Yeah, I'm pretty sure that the Bills mess this up. My biggest fear is that they use a bunch of capital to move up and take the wrong guy at QB. Imagine dumping all of these guys and still downgrading at QB?!? If they get the QB right they'll be heading in the right direction. So which is it? The team was going nowhere pre-trades. And you're saying they'll screw up the draft. Why do we even bother? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Biscuit97 Posted August 12, 2017 Share Posted August 12, 2017 So which is it? The team was going nowhere pre-trades. And you're saying they'll screw up the draft. Why do we even bother? You could have had 2 1st round picks, picked a young qb, & given them 25 year old Sammy to throw to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Jackson Posted August 12, 2017 Share Posted August 12, 2017 I think they are trying to win games while collecting draft picks to trade up with. That is why we kept TT and signed Boldin. I'm now somewhat confused by what you attempting to say. You just stated that we will pick the wrong QB. Now you seem to be contradicting yourself by stating that we might not have a shot a QB.No, I said, "I'm pretty sure the Bills will mess this up. My nightmare scenario is that the use the draft capital and take the wrong guy." Please don't take what I said out of context. If the Bills do win some games, say 6 or 7 they are staring at the 4th or 5th QB off the board. It is a loaded class for sure (especially if Darnold comes out) but the draft capital doesn't matter without a dance partner. The teams that are awful (SF & Jets) are taking QB. The Browns, Jags, Skins could all be bad an din the market for a QB. Why are you trying to win 6-8 games and pick behind those teams? That's not how you get a franchise QB. If you want to deal Tyrod and Shady I can at least see the direction. So which is it? The team was going nowhere pre-trades. And you're saying they'll screw up the draft. Why do we even bother? See the post above Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DriveFor1Outta5 Posted August 12, 2017 Share Posted August 12, 2017 Do you think it's a better scenario to just get the first pick? or alternatively surround that third best qb with some proven vet talent if we are not tanking? 3rd qb with day extra two rookies instead of a vet roster seems like the worst of the options there Why is not possible to believe that this QB class is deep enough for the "third best" QB to be a soild option? It's possible that the front office feels the same. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stinky finger Posted August 12, 2017 Share Posted August 12, 2017 (edited) Such a good post. Their plan was half @ssed. My nightmare is we win enough games to pick like 5th and we can't move up so we settle for the 4th best qb in the draft aka The Losman. I believe in Sammy's talent a lot more than Beane's and TBG's. Talent wins in this league. This was a 6-7 win team this year - tops. Not sure if we're the worst now - but getting closer. No, I said, "I'm pretty sure the Bills will mess this up. My nightmare scenario is that the use the draft capital and take the wrong guy." Please don't take what I said out of context. If the Bills do win some games, say 6 or 7 they are staring at the 4th or 5th QB off the board. It is a loaded class for sure (especially if Darnold comes out) but the draft capital doesn't matter without a dance partner. The teams that are awful (SF & Jets) are taking QB. The Browns, Jags, Skins could all be bad an din the market for a QB. Why are you trying to win 6-8 games and pick behind those teams? That's not how you get a franchise QB. If you want to deal Tyrod and Shady I can at least see the direction. See the post above see above Edited August 12, 2017 by inaugural balls Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aristocrat Posted August 12, 2017 Share Posted August 12, 2017 Scottlaw is on the ledge Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Jackson Posted August 12, 2017 Share Posted August 12, 2017 You could have had 2 1st round picks, picked a young qb, & given them 25 year old Sammy to throw to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Biscuit97 Posted August 12, 2017 Share Posted August 12, 2017 Why is not possible to believe that this QB class is deep enough for the "third best" QB to be a soild option? It's possible that the front office feels the same. No offense but settling for the 3rd best anything is terrible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DriveFor1Outta5 Posted August 12, 2017 Share Posted August 12, 2017 (edited) No, I said, "I'm pretty sure the Bills will mess this up. My nightmare scenario is that the use the draft capital and take the wrong guy." Please don't take what I said out of context. If the Bills do win some games, say 6 or 7 they are staring at the 4th or 5th QB off the board. It is a loaded class for sure (especially if Darnold comes out) but the draft capital doesn't matter without a dance partner. The teams that are awful (SF & Jets) are taking QB. The Browns, Jags, Skins could all be bad an din the market for a QB. Why are you trying to win 6-8 games and pick behind those teams? That's not how you get a franchise QB. If you want to deal Tyrod and Shady I can at least see the direction. See the post above I'm not talking anything out of context. I just disagree that you can be so sure a poor decision will be made. After all who says this is a six win team? Edited August 12, 2017 by DriveFor1Outta5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Jackson Posted August 12, 2017 Share Posted August 12, 2017 This was a 6-7 win team this year - tops. Not sure if we're the worst now - but getting closer. see above So we were a 6-7 win team that downgraded talent to try to be a 6-7 win team? The goal is either to load up and try to go to the playoffs or tear it down and try to pick first. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stinky finger Posted August 12, 2017 Share Posted August 12, 2017 You could have had 2 1st round picks, picked a young qb, & given them 25 year old Sammy to throw to. Do you think Sammy would stay long term? Personally, I didn't think so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan4 Posted August 12, 2017 Share Posted August 12, 2017 (edited) It was impossible for the Bills to build a team without trading Watkins. Some of you are completely pathetic. That's not at all what I said or meant. Not even close. Not sure how you read everything I wrote and got that out of it. And I don't see trying to look at things rationally as pathetic. Whining and crying all over the message board on the other hand... Edited August 12, 2017 by BillsFan4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stinky finger Posted August 12, 2017 Share Posted August 12, 2017 So we were a 6-7 win team that downgraded talent to try to be a 6-7 win team? The goal is either to load up and try to go to the playoffs or tear it down and try to pick first. i am perplexed by the signing of Boldin and not moving on from TT. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DriveFor1Outta5 Posted August 12, 2017 Share Posted August 12, 2017 No offense but settling for the 3rd best anything is terrible. That's a ridiculous statement. Ben Roethlisberger was the third QB picked in the 2004 draft. What a bum that guy has been. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Haslett_Stomp Posted August 12, 2017 Share Posted August 12, 2017 (edited) Imagine how this board would have reacted to the trade that sent Greg Bell plus two first round picks and a second round pick for Biscuit. Edited August 12, 2017 by Haslett_Stomp Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill from NYC Posted August 12, 2017 Share Posted August 12, 2017 I think they are trying to win games while collecting draft picks to trade up with. That is why we kept TT and signed Boldin. I'm now somewhat confused by what you attempting to say. You just stated that we will pick the wrong QB. Now you seem to be contradicting yourself by stating that we might not have a shot a QB. Kirby and everyone else here WANTS the Bills to draft a great qb. I don't think that there is a lot of reason to believe that they will. And if you think they be able to win a decent number of games AND draft a great quarterback, I will say that imo the odds of this happening are not good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Biscuit97 Posted August 12, 2017 Share Posted August 12, 2017 Do you think Sammy would stay long term? Personally, I didn't think so. If they paid him and feed him the ball, like they should have been doing. He said that in camp. Either way, the GM should have asked him before he traded him. Props to Beane for being honest, but he admitted he didn't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stinky finger Posted August 12, 2017 Share Posted August 12, 2017 So we were a 6-7 win team that downgraded talent to try to be a 6-7 win team? The goal is either to load up and try to go to the playoffs or tear it down and try to pick first. Curious as to your opinion - would you be all in or would you prefer to tank in earnest? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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