CommonCents Posted August 11, 2017 Posted August 11, 2017 Thanks Common sense ! and to you as well. I am not one for stats. I and even worse at defending a position I might take. I have too many numbers in my head already. And i do not care to secure my reasoning for another. How do your perceive Gaines ? Haven't seen a ton of him TBH but from what I have read he is a tackler, I like corners that can tackle. He is shorter than an ideal zone CB and according to various scouting reports he is tight in the hips. Not the kind of guy I'd go home with but I'm sure he play CB in a pinch. From reading up on him he is another "good attitude" "proffesional" player, I have been begging for an attitude change in the locker room but I am concerned he is doing it in exchange for talent.
3rdand12 Posted August 11, 2017 Posted August 11, 2017 Haven't seen a ton of him TBH but from what I have read he is a tackler, I like corners that can tackle. He is shorter than an ideal zone CB and according to various scouting reports he is tight in the hips. Not the kind of guy I'd go home with but I'm sure he play CB in a pinch. From reading up on him he is another "good attitude" "proffesional" player, I have been begging for an attitude change in the locker room but I am concerned he is doing it in exchange for talent. I have read both good and bad. Have not watched him play. Just trying to catch up on him. Lets us hope the secondary is a sum of it's parts and not about the individual as much. The Poyer Hyde experiment worries me enough already Pray for good Coaching is what i do. Thanks for the good note back
Big C Posted August 11, 2017 Posted August 11, 2017 Haven't seen a ton of him TBH but from what I have read he is a tackler, I like corners that can tackle. He is shorter than an ideal zone CB and according to various scouting reports he is tight in the hips. Not the kind of guy I'd go home with but I'm sure he play CB in a pinch. From reading up on him he is another "good attitude" "proffesional" player, I have been begging for an attitude change in the locker room but I am concerned he is doing it in exchange for talent. Perhaps, but Darby was not very good last year and the defense was virtually unchanged from the year before. The two trades go hand-in-hand, essentially we traded a WR and a CB for another WR and CB + draft picks. We are taking a downgrade this year to improve long term and I think that's OK, and the reality is that Matthews is a productive NFL receiver and Gaines has potential (though he needs to regain his 2014 form which may not happen). Our forte is still in the run game and we've added two productive receivers in Boldin and Matthews plus a solid prospect in Jones as our top three. No reason to think we can't be competitive this year. Sammy missed a ton of time last year and we still could have made the playoffs if Rex and Rob's defense wasn't so pathetic.
DriveFor1Outta5 Posted August 11, 2017 Posted August 11, 2017 Haven't seen a ton of him TBH but from what I have read he is a tackler, I like corners that can tackle. He is shorter than an ideal zone CB and according to various scouting reports he is tight in the hips. Not the kind of guy I'd go home with but I'm sure he play CB in a pinch. From reading up on him he is another "good attitude" "proffesional" player, I have been begging for an attitude change in the locker room but I am concerned he is doing it in exchange for talent. This is where I am at. I've been asking for smarter good attitude guys for a long time, but you still need a soild talent base. It reminds me of the Pats assistants who failed as head coaches. They tried to follow BB's character guy philosophy, but didn't have any talent (Brady).
CanadianFan Posted August 11, 2017 Posted August 11, 2017 SI is calling this a tank job: https://www.si.com/mmqb/2017/08/11/sammy-watkins-trade-los-angeles-rams-buffalo-bills-jordan-matthews-philadelphia-eagles?utm_campaign=themmqb&utm_source=twitter.com&utm_medium=social Watkins was the most purely talented player on Buffalo’s roster, and obviously more valuable than Gaines, a starter for the Rams who struggled in his return from the Lisfranc injury
Roundybout Posted August 11, 2017 Author Posted August 11, 2017 SI is calling this a tank job: https://www.si.com/mmqb/2017/08/11/sammy-watkins-trade-los-angeles-rams-buffalo-bills-jordan-matthews-philadelphia-eagles?utm_campaign=themmqb&utm_source=twitter.com&utm_medium=social good. Embrace the tank.
boyst Posted August 11, 2017 Posted August 11, 2017 That's where I'm at now. I'd trade Shady, Tyrod and maybe even Hughes. Let Kyle retire and Wood walk. If you've decided not to compete for the playoffs you shouldn't try to win 7 games.trading shady would be hard but I would
CanadianFan Posted August 11, 2017 Posted August 11, 2017 good. Embrace the tank. Many Rams fans are calling Gaines their 4th CB. And they got a legit #1 WR in return.
BringBackOrton Posted August 11, 2017 Posted August 11, 2017 That's where I'm at now. I'd trade Shady, Tyrod and maybe even Hughes. Let Kyle retire and Wood walk. If you've decided not to compete for the playoffs you shouldn't try to win 7 games. Jettison them all. Offer Kyle to trade him to whatever team he wants.
TroutDog Posted August 11, 2017 Posted August 11, 2017 This is a good day. Taking the long view with a new and, seemingly, more sane FO is a sign that the future is planned. I like that. While Sammy is a game changing player, the FO is the one who has access to the medical records. There may have been something there. Conversely, it may simply be a case of stack the draft. Either way, I trust this FO until they give me a reason not to.
Bangarang Posted August 11, 2017 Posted August 11, 2017 SI is calling this a tank job: https://www.si.com/mmqb/2017/08/11/sammy-watkins-trade-los-angeles-rams-buffalo-bills-jordan-matthews-philadelphia-eagles?utm_campaign=themmqb&utm_source=twitter.com&utm_medium=social If we were tanking then Peterman would be our starting QB. We're going to do what we always do and be bad enough to not make the playoffs but good enough to not have a top pick. Get ready for a 6-10 or 7-9 season with the 9th pick in the draft. We'll get to watch other teams take QBs while we draft a CB to replace Darby. Or maybe we'll take another WR in the top 10. That'd be fun.
Roundybout Posted August 11, 2017 Author Posted August 11, 2017 Many Rams fans are calling Gaines their 4th CB. And they got a legit #1 WR in return. When he is healthy sure. We get long term gains imo.
Boatdrinks Posted August 11, 2017 Posted August 11, 2017 This is a good day. Taking the long view with a new and, seemingly, more sane FO is a sign that the future is planned. I like that. While Sammy is a game changing player, the FO is the one who has access to the medical records. There may have been something there. Conversely, it may simply be a case of stack the draft. Either way, I trust this FO until they give me a reason not to. Nonsense. The Rams team physician will get SWs medical records. This was about not being able to resign SW after they blew off his 5th year option.
CanadianFan Posted August 11, 2017 Posted August 11, 2017 stephen @postmalowensFollow More Just picked up my Sammy Watkins jersey! Can’t wait for the season #BillsMafia
dave mcbride Posted August 11, 2017 Posted August 11, 2017 This is a good day. Taking the long view with a new and, seemingly, more sane FO is a sign that the future is planned. I like that. While Sammy is a game changing player, the FO is the one who has access to the medical records. There may have been something there. Conversely, it may simply be a case of stack the draft. Either way, I trust this FO until they give me a reason not to. "In the long run, we'll all be dead."--John Maynard Keynes
Deranged Rhino Posted August 11, 2017 Posted August 11, 2017 "In the long run, we'll all be dead."--John Maynard Keynes
HappyDays Posted August 11, 2017 Posted August 11, 2017 There is no tank. The offseason moves taken together don't make any sense in that context, like why sign Boldin? Beane said in his presser he tries to win today and win tomorrow and I genuinely believe him.
Putin Posted August 11, 2017 Posted August 11, 2017 Perhaps, but Darby was not very good last year and the defense was virtually unchanged from the year before. The two trades go hand-in-hand, essentially we traded a WR and a CB for another WR and CB + draft picks. We are taking a downgrade this year to improve long term and I think that's OK, and the reality is that Matthews is a productive NFL receiver and Gaines has potential (though he needs to regain his 2014 form which may not happen). Our forte is still in the run game and we've added two productive receivers in Boldin and Matthews plus a solid prospect in Jones as our top three. No reason to think we can't be competitive this year. Sammy missed a ton of time last year and we still could have made the playoffs if Rex and Rob's defense wasn't so pathetic. Makes sense ! Sammy is a free agent next year and will be asking for a big payday , so at least we got a 2nd round pick for him , and I guess Darby was not a good fit for what we're trying to do on defense , the good thing is that will have some fire power at the next year's draft
CanadianFan Posted August 11, 2017 Posted August 11, 2017 "In the long run, we'll all be dead."--John Maynard Keynes lololololllllllllllllllll
BillsFan4 Posted August 11, 2017 Posted August 11, 2017 I'm still not too happy about seeing Watkins go, but let's be real here. We have zero shot at winning the division this year, and a very small chance at best at a wild card birth. Tom Brady is 40 and has maybe a few good years left (we hope). This trade is about the future. From what I've read/heard, the 2018 draft is supposed to be very strong and deep. We now have 6 picks in the top 90,maybe more when all is said and done. This team has tried the bandaid approach for way too long. They haven't legitimately built through the draft in a long time. Beane hired what looks to be a top end front office and scouting/personnel staff. So let's allow them to build this team from the ground up through the draft and see what happens. It doesn't seem to make a whole lot of sense to pay Watkins $15-$20M per season when Tyrod could very likely be gone after this year and they would be starting over at QB. How willing would Sammy Watkins be to re-sign here if the Bills start from scratch yet again at QB (or even if TT stays if he's not consistently able to get Watkins the ball)? That would be the 3rd time in his 4 years here. Until the Bills become a legitimate threat as a passing offense, it doesn't seem to make a whole lot of sense to employ a $17+M WR... This trade is basically just correcting a previous mistake. The Watkins trade made no sense with EJ Manuel as your #1 QB. It was trying to prop up a bad 1st round pick by trading away multiple 1sts and a 4th for a WR they were basically incapable of getting the ball to in the first place. I feel like LA might be doing a similar thing to what the Bills did - trying to fix a bad QB pick. Maybe Goff breaks out though, who knows. But If he plays anything like he did last year, Sammy ain't signing an extension there. It sucks giving up on the potential Sammy Watkins has. But I'm willing to let this play out and see what type of team theee new guys build. From what I've read on Matthews, he does seem to fit the new culture better. Super hard worker, outstanding teammate and total team first guy. Fits the scheme well too. That's a somewhat similar approach to what the Patriots have used for years for team building. Let's hope it works...
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