Royale with Cheese Posted August 11, 2017 Posted August 11, 2017 Vic C was just on Sirius. Interestingly, he alluded to the type of mentality/character player McD wanted and it didn't sound like he thought McD was thrilled with either of them in that respect. I think Sammy was more to get something instead of potentially nothing after this year (although Vic said he thought Sammy's recent $$$ comments probably made McD "cringe"), I think Darby might have been more personality TBH. It's not like he has ever exuded the type of leadership/confidence McD cherishes so much (See Gilmore, Stephon). When Lofton said they basically have 3 slot receivers and no deep threat, Vic said that is correct, and the brass is fine with that. Dennison wants to run more of a 'horizontal' passing game, and the offense will be based on the running game and grind it out short passing game. That's what I said earlier...it makes sense if you view it from that perspective.
Augie Posted August 11, 2017 Posted August 11, 2017 Hey, it's just a game! (I keep telling myself....but it's not working.)
Big C Posted August 11, 2017 Posted August 11, 2017 Vic C was just on Sirius. Interestingly, he alluded to the type of mentality/character player McD wanted and it didn't sound like he thought McD was thrilled with either of them in that respect. I think Sammy was more to get something instead of potentially nothing after this year (although Vic said he thought Sammy's recent $$$ comments probably made McD "cringe"), I think Darby might have been more personality TBH. It's not like he has ever exuded the type of leadership/confidence McD cherishes so much (See Gilmore, Stephon). When Lofton said they basically have 3 slot receivers and no deep threat, Vic said that is correct, and the brass is fine with that. Dennison wants to run more of a 'horizontal' passing game, and the offense will be based on the running game and grind it out short passing game. Thank you. Sounds OK to me, although it'd be nice to have a deep threat too. That's the best part of TT's passing game.
Roundybout Posted August 11, 2017 Author Posted August 11, 2017 Apologies if posted: NFL Draft Profile OVERVIEW Cornerback-running back who also played basketball and ran track as a Missouri prep. Played in 13 games as a true freshman in 2010 and recorded 26 tackles, one pass breakup and no interceptions as a special-teams player and reserve defensive back. Took over as a starting cornerback in 2011 and tallied 69 tackles, 16 pass breakups and two INTs with three tackles for loss and one forced fumble. The combined 18 passes defended set a Mizzou record and ranked fourth in the NCAA. Returned nine punts for 98 yards (10.9-yard average) and one touchdown, a 44-yard scamper against Western Illinois. In 2012, he totaled 74 tackles, 11 pass breakups and one INT with seven tackles for loss and two forced fumbles. Scored on a 13-yard fumble recovery against Kentucky. In 2013, recorded 75 tackles, three pass breakups and five INTs with four tackles for loss. In the SEC championship game against Auburn, he had an 11-yard fumble recovery for a TD. Missed two games with a quad strain. Team captain. Bench pressed at the combine but was medically excluded otherwise (pelvis). ANALYSIS STRENGTHS Good muscularity and thin ankles. Fills aggressively and supports the run. Likes to hit. Plays with confidence and carries a swagger. Good attitude and football demeanor. Competes hard and brings energy to the field. Good eyes and route recognition. Has experience matching up with slot receivers in nickel coverage and has returned punts. Very good career production on the ball. Proven special teams coverage defender. WEAKNESSES Is short and short-armed. Plays a lot into the boundary. Shows some tightness in his hips. Average transitional quickness -- lacks ideal burst and acceleration to recover and close ground. Can do a better job disengaging from blocks. Most of interception production stemmed from tips and overthrown balls (not created). Average hands. DRAFT PROJECTION Rounds 4-5 BOTTOM LINE Strong, physical zone corner with the toughness, awareness and football IQ to function highly in short spaces. A solid tackler, Gaines plays bigger than his size and takes a professional approach. Can make an immediate impact on special teams and work his way into a lineup.
Canadian Bills Fan Posted August 11, 2017 Posted August 11, 2017 I'll ask again. If they are moving up for a Qb that'll be giving up picks they have acquired. They will draft a young guy who fans will demand start. There won't be patience. Who the heck is this young QB going to throw to? Shady will be a year older, Cog will be a year older. Wood is probably gone. This seems like a plan to set up a young QB to fail. The Bills can trade up and still have picks in rounds 2 and 3..not to mention there is also free agency CBF
Buff808 Posted August 11, 2017 Posted August 11, 2017 Well Bolden is more important now. Don't have to worry if Sammy was going to get hurt again. Darby we have to see if he can rebound from poor season he had last year. The trades can't hurt plus draft choices. Only deficit if Sammy stays healthy and has a pro bowl season.
Bleeding Bills Blue Posted August 11, 2017 Posted August 11, 2017 I'll ask again. If they are moving up for a Qb that'll be giving up picks they have acquired. They will draft a young guy who fans will demand start. There won't be patience. Who the heck is this young QB going to throw to? Shady will be a year older, Cog will be a year older. Wood is probably gone. This seems like a plan to set up a young QB to fail. Just roll with Tyrod again...
RyanC883 Posted August 11, 2017 Posted August 11, 2017 Very depressing....Jordan Matthews sucks.... Matthews does not suck. Clearly the Bills prefer WR's who stay healthy and produce. Over 800 yards and 65 catches in each of his first 3 years.
Wayne Cubed Posted August 11, 2017 Posted August 11, 2017 The Bills can trade up and still have picks in rounds 2 and 3..not to mention there is also free agency CBF You think the 2 firsts are going to be enough to get where the Bills need to get for one of the QBs? The Jets/9ers are still worse teams and they be in the market. That's if said QBs even come out. This is all assuming these QBs look good again.
RyanC883 Posted August 11, 2017 Posted August 11, 2017 Well Bolden is more important now. Don't have to worry if Sammy was going to get hurt again. Darby we have to see if he can rebound from poor season he had last year. The trades can't hurt plus draft choices. Only deficit if Sammy stays healthy and has a pro bowl season. Then Sammy can face Matthews and McCoy in the Pro Bowl
Doc Brown Posted August 11, 2017 Posted August 11, 2017 If this is a bad move, it can't be in the top ten disasters of the last 20 years. One of them being trading two 1st rounders to draft Sammy Watkins.
Canadian Bills Fan Posted August 11, 2017 Posted August 11, 2017 You think the 2 firsts are going to be enough to get where the Bills need to get for one of the QBs? The Jets/9ers are still worse teams and they be in the market. That's if said QBs even come out. This is all assuming these QBs look good again. They can trade both 1st's and a 2nd and a 3rd and still have a pick in rounds 2 and 3 CBF
billsherd Posted August 11, 2017 Posted August 11, 2017 Wth ....I just woke up. I thought this was a joke. All these trades ? Wow no one saw this coming.
DisplacedBillsFan Posted August 11, 2017 Posted August 11, 2017 Nope. The folks that are upset realize that it's a terrible decision to trade away one of your two best offensive players when that player also happens to be under 25 years old. And tell me, when is the last time you were actually happy with a season's worth of on-field production from this "one of two best offensive players"? Go ahead, I'll wait. With Sammy, it has always been about the prospect and potential of what he can do, and aside from a good/great game here and there, it has never been about what he has actually done or contributed to this team.
Nervous Guy Posted August 11, 2017 Posted August 11, 2017 Let's be honest here... while Watkins is a stud the production hasn't been there due to injury and it's a sign the Bills weren't going to pay him in the offseason so might as well get rid of him now. Darby is confusing but was lost last year and with the new trade not needed. Glad they got Mathews though. Solid WR. Thank you...I feel better now...seriously.
RyanC883 Posted August 11, 2017 Posted August 11, 2017 apparently darby is not a great zone corner. So this is a good 2 trades, IMO.
boco357 Posted August 11, 2017 Posted August 11, 2017 I wonder if the wanting going against Gilmore comment from interview on facebook may have been a final straw?
row_33 Posted August 11, 2017 Posted August 11, 2017 One of them being trading two 1st rounders to draft Sammy Watkins. still too soon.....
RyanC883 Posted August 11, 2017 Posted August 11, 2017 Wth ....I just woke up. I thought this was a joke. All these trades ? Wow no one saw this coming. they have cleaned up the "leaks".
Doc Brown Posted August 11, 2017 Posted August 11, 2017 Matthews does not suck. Clearly the Bills prefer WR's who stay healthy and produce. Over 800 yards and 65 catches in each of his first 3 years. Do we look to extend him right now then? Same thing with Gaines?
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