dave mcbride Posted September 6, 2017 Share Posted September 6, 2017 I misread you, sorry. And yes, it is a somewhat arbitrary formula, although less so IMO than passer rating (which awards the equivalent of 80 yards for a TD and 100 for an INT, as well as places too heavy an emphasis on completions by essentially counting them twice in the final calculation) and has as mentioned shown the greatest correlation with winning of all the metrics I'm familiar with. They (ANY/A and Y/A) do reside in the same family in that they're both relative measures of efficiency, but one is a better predictor IMO of true performance and successful quarterbacking as it relates to wins. Yup, although i always thought team passer rating differential was the best predictive stat ever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cba fan Posted September 6, 2017 Share Posted September 6, 2017 Someone please put this thread out of it's misery. The same arguments keep repeating like the same storefronts going by as Fred Flintstone drives along. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrags Posted September 6, 2017 Share Posted September 6, 2017 Someone please put this thread out of it's misery. The same arguments keep repeating like the same storefronts going by as Fred Flintstone drives along.you don't have enough time here to truly appreciate how old school TBDers can argue the same point over and over and over and over without changing anyone's minds. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gugny Posted September 6, 2017 Share Posted September 6, 2017 you don't have enough time here to truly appreciate how old school TBDers can argue the same point over and over and over and over without changing anyone's minds. Exactly! There are still some people who think Spiller wasn't good, even though Chan Gailey proved that all he needed was some space! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrags Posted September 6, 2017 Share Posted September 6, 2017 Exactly! There are still some people who think Spiller wasn't good, even though Chan Gailey proved that all he needed was some space! dont forget Roscoe Parrish, and then there's Lee Evans being a true #1. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBillsGospel Posted September 6, 2017 Share Posted September 6, 2017 Agreed. And we're back to this point, huh? So the failure of the last 2 years was on the QB and his favorite WR, both of whom assisted in a top-10 scoring unit, and not on a defense that underachieved horribly in perpetuity? You mean the same QB and WR who finished in the bottom 3 in passing in the league last season? That same duo? We were top 10 because our OL is prominant in run blocking and Tyrod can run the ball. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JerseyBills Posted September 6, 2017 Share Posted September 6, 2017 (edited) So the Bills were able to win without him last year and they have the same offensive line? Deeper RB stable, best blocking FB in the game, and the biggie, a much improved D, I guarantee it. Interested what Taylor could do without a bi polar D,one he can count on,I'm sure it takes some pressure off him,and can allow him to be more aggressive... And with our elite run game, defense's are very tired by the 4th, maybe just maybe this staff knows exactly what it's doing and we are contending this year, which I genuinely expect Edited September 6, 2017 by JerseyBills Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billsfan1972 Posted September 6, 2017 Share Posted September 6, 2017 Philadelphia's passing offense yards 6th 2014 12th 2015 24th 2016 Buffalo's passing offense yards 18th 2014 28th 2015 30th 2016 I'd say Matthews had a lot more opportunities then Sammy to be involved. Maybe he just wasn't open as often. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Best Player Available Posted September 6, 2017 Share Posted September 6, 2017 High priced WR are hardly ever worth it unless you have a big time QB who throws the ball a lot. Better places to spend the $$ IDK if extending a now very average center with huge bucks is money well spent though. Wood has been a trooper but no team in the league would give him anywhere close to what Beane gave him. I understand the Bills are building from the center out. That extension is the craziest off season move IMO. I guess Groy will be fresh though. Break a leg.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted September 6, 2017 Share Posted September 6, 2017 IDK if extending a now very average center with huge bucks is money well spent though. Wood has been a trooper but no team in the league would give him anywhere close to what Beane gave him. I understand the Bills are building from the center out. That extension is the craziest off season move IMO. I guess Groy will be fresh though. Break a leg.... Yeah, this is a move by them I cannot understand at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebandit27 Posted September 6, 2017 Share Posted September 6, 2017 You mean the same QB and WR who finished in the bottom 3 in passing in the league last season? That same duo? We were top 10 because our OL is prominant in run blocking and Tyrod can run the ball. Yep, the same ones...ranking dead last in the NFL in passing attempts for 2 consecutive seasons will do that. The data on Sammy is out there, and it's hardly inconclusive. When he's been targeted with a similar ratio to guys like Jones/Brown/Beckham, he's been at least as good. Philadelphia's passing offense yards 6th 2014 12th 2015 24th 2016 Buffalo's passing offense yards 18th 2014 28th 2015 30th 2016 I'd say Matthews had a lot more opportunities then Sammy to be involved. Maybe he just wasn't open as often. Opportunity has been the #1 factor...availability comes in at a [relatively] distant second. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted September 6, 2017 Share Posted September 6, 2017 Yep, the same ones...ranking dead last in the NFL in passing attempts for 2 consecutive seasons will do that. The data on Sammy is out there, and it's hardly inconclusive. When he's been targeted with a similar ratio to guys like Jones/Brown/Beckham, he's been at least as good. Opportunity has been the #1 factor...availability comes in at a [relatively] distant second. He wouldn't have seen the targets here. And even with the Rams getting the targets will be tough. Do you ignore Gurley, Austin, and Woods, to whom you've committed far more dollars, in favor of Sammy just because you traded a player and a 2nd rounder? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebandit27 Posted September 6, 2017 Share Posted September 6, 2017 He wouldn't have seen the targets here. And even with the Rams getting the targets will be tough. Do you ignore Gurley, Austin, and Woods, to whom you've committed far more dollars, in favor of Sammy just because you traded a player and a 2nd rounder? No...you make Sammy the centerpiece of the passing game because he's better than those guys. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted September 6, 2017 Share Posted September 6, 2017 It's not the only one... No, it's pretty much the only one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wayne Cubed Posted September 6, 2017 Share Posted September 6, 2017 He wouldn't have seen the targets here. And even with the Rams getting the targets will be tough. Do you ignore Gurley, Austin, and Woods, to whom you've committed far more dollars, in favor of Sammy just because you traded a player and a 2nd rounder? Um, if he is the more dynamic player you certainly do. Any smart coach would do that. They haven't committed any money to Gurley, he's still on a rookie deal and the Rams can get out of the Austin contract next year with only a $5M dead cap hit, so he might be gone anyways. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldmanfan Posted September 6, 2017 Share Posted September 6, 2017 We'll see how Sammy does in LA. God has to step up gig time and in preseasonhe was targeting Krupp primarily. My guess is Sammy won't get the touches he wants out there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted September 6, 2017 Share Posted September 6, 2017 No...you make Sammy the centerpiece of the passing game because he's better than those guys. Looks like they'll have to do that. It will be interesting to see how this season plays out for him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted September 6, 2017 Share Posted September 6, 2017 No...you make Sammy the centerpiece of the passing game because he's better than those guys. That's exactly what they are planning according to Snead and Mcvay. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boyst Posted September 6, 2017 Share Posted September 6, 2017 Looks like they'll have to do that. It will be interesting to see how this season plays out for him. he's in the NFC West. Those teams covering him are world different than our AFC E. He is going to get beat around by Seattle. Field day with SF until those safeties hit him. Arizona and Peterson will be on him like glue, with matheiu giving him grief too. Sammy has no reason not to out up 1000 yards, though and everyone will annoint him Savior Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billsfan1972 Posted September 7, 2017 Share Posted September 7, 2017 Just listened to Bill Simmons say Watkins was wide open everytime the Bills played the Pats, but understood the trade as they could not sign him (and injury concerns, however forgetting that they could have extended him). BTW if OBJ doesn't play this weekend will he be deemed injury prone? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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