Dr.Sack Posted August 10, 2017 Share Posted August 10, 2017 Every worker in the U.S. pays 1.45% into Medicare. Medicare polls at 78% positive favorability. Over 60% of Americans now support Medicare For All. The median American household income is $56,516. That's $820 a year already to Medicare. That same household is paying $450 a month in employer sponsor insurance, or $5,400 a year while their employer pays the other half. These costs are before prescription drugs, doctor visits, copays, or deductibles. That's $5,850 before additional medical expenses. Healthcare Savings Accounts, are you F'ing kidding the average Joe The Plumber? If we went to Medicare For All at 5% that family would pay $2,750 with no other expenses. And their employers would save on the the cost of administering & paying for the other half of their employee healthcare. This is a no brainer and would make American business more competitive with the rest of the industrialized world. Don't fall into the tired socialist cliches. Medicare For All is the answer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted August 10, 2017 Share Posted August 10, 2017 Every worker in the U.S. pays 1.45% into Medicare. Medicare polls at 78% positive favorability. Over 60% of Americans now support Medicare For All. The median American household income is $56,516. That's $820 a year already to Medicare. That same household is paying $450 a month in employer sponsor insurance, or $5,400 a year while their employer pays the other half. These costs are before prescription drugs, doctor visits, copays, or deductibles. That's $5,850 before additional medical expenses. Healthcare Savings Accounts, are you F'ing kidding the average Joe The Plumber? If we went to Medicare For All at 5% that family would pay $2,750 with no other expenses. And their employers would save on the the cost of administering & paying for the other half of their employee healthcare. This is a no brainer and would make American business more competitive with the rest of the industrialized world. Don't fall into the tired socialist cliches. Medicare For All is the answer. [This is an automated response.] Created by DC Tom-bot, beta version 0.11. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr.Sack Posted August 10, 2017 Author Share Posted August 10, 2017 [This is an automated response.] Created by DC Tom-bot, beta version 0.11. D.C. Tom, resorting to name calling instead of debating on the merits of facts since 1996. But I'll ask that DC Tom two questions. Question 1, do you use "socialist" programs Social Security & Medicare? If yes, why? Question 2, name one country where a free market Healthcare system exists? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grinreaper Posted August 10, 2017 Share Posted August 10, 2017 Every worker in the U.S. pays 1.45% into Medicare. Medicare polls at 78% positive favorability. Over 60% of Americans now support Medicare For All. The median American household income is $56,516. That's $820 a year already to Medicare. That same household is paying $450 a month in employer sponsor insurance, or $5,400 a year while their employer pays the other half. These costs are before prescription drugs, doctor visits, copays, or deductibles. That's $5,850 before additional medical expenses. Healthcare Savings Accounts, are you F'ing kidding the average Joe The Plumber? If we went to Medicare For All at 5% that family would pay $2,750 with no other expenses. And their employers would save on the the cost of administering & paying for the other half of their employee healthcare. This is a no brainer and would make American business more competitive with the rest of the industrialized world. Don't fall into the tired socialist cliches. Medicare For All is the answer. Have you given any thought about why some doctors will not accept Medicare patients? Or why some doctors limit Medicare patients? Why is that? Do you realize that they need the people that pay full retail to make up for the people on Medicare/Medicaid that don't even pay wholesale? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr.Sack Posted August 10, 2017 Author Share Posted August 10, 2017 (edited) Have you given any thought about why some doctors will not accept Medicare patients? Or why some doctors limit Medicare patients? Why is that? Do you realize that they need the people that pay full retail to make up for the people on Medicare/Medicaid that don't even pay wholesale? Most doctors accept Medicare. 93% to be precise. Apparently 7% of doctors can afford to be more selective in their clientele. I would assume that would continue after implementation of a universal healthcare system. http://www.kff.org/medicare/issue-brief/primary-care-physicians-accepting-medicare-a-snapshot/ Edited August 10, 2017 by Dr.Sack Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr.Sack Posted August 10, 2017 Author Share Posted August 10, 2017 (edited) Perhaps we could reallocate some of this defense spending? Edited August 10, 2017 by Dr.Sack Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4merper4mer Posted August 10, 2017 Share Posted August 10, 2017 Every worker in the U.S. pays 1.45% into Medicare. Medicare polls at 78% positive favorability. Over 60% of Americans now support Medicare For All. The median American household income is $56,516. That's $820 a year already to Medicare. That same household is paying $450 a month in employer sponsor insurance, or $5,400 a year while their employer pays the other half. These costs are before prescription drugs, doctor visits, copays, or deductibles. That's $5,850 before additional medical expenses. Healthcare Savings Accounts, are you F'ing kidding the average Joe The Plumber? If we went to Medicare For All at 5% that family would pay $2,750 with no other expenses. And their employers would save on the the cost of administering & paying for the other half of their employee healthcare. This is a no brainer and would make American business more competitive with the rest of the industrialized world. Don't fall into the tired socialist cliches. Medicare For All is the answer. Ponzi schemes only work if everyone pays but far fewer collect. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grinreaper Posted August 10, 2017 Share Posted August 10, 2017 (edited) Perhaps we could reallocate some of this defense spending? Conversation closed. Tom was right. You are an idiot. Edited August 10, 2017 by grinreaper Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Brown Posted August 10, 2017 Share Posted August 10, 2017 (edited) Perhaps we could reallocate some of this defense spending? There are many reasons (too many I care to explain) that it is absolutely essential we spend that much on our defense and some would argue more. Also, a better graph would be the % of our GDP we spend on defense compared to other countries as that graph is misleading due to our population % compared to others on that graph. I'm all for looking into how our defense spending is distributed to cut down on wasteful spending, but I can't stress enough how important it is to maintain the strongest military and defense system on this planet. Edited August 10, 2017 by Doc Brown Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted August 10, 2017 Share Posted August 10, 2017 There are many reasons (too many I care to explain) that it is absolutely essential we spend that much on our defense and some would argue more. Also, a better graph would be the % of our GDP we spend on defense compared to other countries as that graph is misleading due to our population % compared to others on that graph. I'm all for looking into how our defense spending is distributed to cut down on wasteful spending, but I can't stress enough how important it is to maintain the strongest military and defense system on this planet. Doc...you're seriously one of the better, brighter liberal posters we've had in a while. Keep it up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B-Large Posted August 10, 2017 Share Posted August 10, 2017 Have you given any thought about why some doctors will not accept Medicare patients? Or why some doctors limit Medicare patients? Why is that? Do you realize that they need the people that pay full retail to make up for the people on Medicare/Medicaid that don't even pay wholesale? Private insurance contracts place Medicare rate plus a percentage above. Nobody plays full list charges in healthcare. We close to Medicare front time to time because the patients are often veryvtime consuming, and resource heavy- yes the reimbursement is lower, but it's more nuanced than justvdollars and cents. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted August 10, 2017 Share Posted August 10, 2017 D.C. Tom, resorting to name calling instead of debating on the merits of facts since 1996. But I'll ask that DC Tom two questions. Question 1, do you use "socialist" programs Social Security & Medicare? If yes, why? Question 2, name one country where a free market Healthcare system exists? You presented no facts to debate. That's what makes you an idiot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B-Large Posted August 10, 2017 Share Posted August 10, 2017 I like the idea of a single risk pool for all citizens, coupled with some sort off individual annual deductible and HSA. The shell game of subsidizing expensive private individual insurance plans hopefully is coming to an end. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nanker Posted August 10, 2017 Share Posted August 10, 2017 Private insurance contracts place Medicare rate plus a percentage above. Nobody plays full list charges in healthcare. We close to Medicare front time to time because the patients are often veryvtime consuming, and resource heavy- yes the reimbursement is lower, but it's more nuanced than justvdollars and cents. Oh, yes they do. Worker's Comp and accident insurers do. They pay bust-out-retail and the providers set their "list price" accordingly. Everyone else gets a discount off of that whether it's from a group plan, or individually insured. Of course, the indigent get their health care for free. Doc...you're seriously one of the better, brighter liberal posters we've had in a while. Keep it up. Agreed, though I suspect Doc's been around here a lot longer under a different nom de plume. I like the idea of a single risk pool for all citizens, coupled with some sort off individual annual deductible and HSA. The shell game of subsidizing expensive private individual insurance plans hopefully is coming to an end. Yes. Individual insurance policies are horrible. Their rates are grossly high. That's what the ACA was supposed to be centered around - putting all those individuals into some kind of a "Group" so the insurers could provide coverage at better rates. Of course, the fact that men had to have OBGYN visits covered and seniors paying for birth control, etc., (because... "fair") just helped sink that ship down the toilet of bad ideas. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B-Man Posted August 10, 2017 Share Posted August 10, 2017 Why Sanders’ Medicare-For-All Will Fail Dr. Deane Waldman Democrat Senator: You Know, Single-Payer Really Isn’t The Best Option ED MORRISSEY http://hotair.com/archives/2017/08/09/dem-senator-know-single-payer-really-isnt-best-option/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALF Posted August 10, 2017 Share Posted August 10, 2017 (edited) https://go.berniesanders.com/page/s/bernie-sanders-mfa?source=em170809-full Will introduce Medicare for all Now let me be totally clear: if Republicans try again to repeal Obamacare, we will fight them with everything we have. But our ultimate goal is to understand that in the wealthiest country in the history of the world, health care must be a right, not a privilege, for every man, woman and child.That is why, in just a few weeks, I am going to introduce a Medicare-for-all, single-payer health care bill in the United States Senate. It is time to wage a moral and political war against a dysfunctional health care system in this country. Say you’re with me: Edited August 10, 2017 by ALF Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted August 10, 2017 Share Posted August 10, 2017 There are many reasons (too many I care to explain) that it is absolutely essential we spend that much on our defense and some would argue more. Also, a better graph would be the % of our GDP we spend on defense compared to other countries as that graph is misleading due to our population % compared to others on that graph. I'm all for looking into how our defense spending is distributed to cut down on wasteful spending, but I can't stress enough how important it is to maintain the strongest military and defense system on this planet. I'm not disagreeing with you on spending, but why bring up populations %? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chef Jim Posted August 10, 2017 Share Posted August 10, 2017 Doc...you're seriously one of the better, brighter liberal posters we've had in a while. Keep it up. I'm not sure he's a liberal. I think he was when he got here but now? Not so much. You presented no facts to debate. That's what makes you an idiot. Liberals rarely do. It's mostly emotional debate and you can't argue with hysterics. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grinreaper Posted August 10, 2017 Share Posted August 10, 2017 Most doctors accept Medicare. 93% to be precise. Apparently 7% of doctors can afford to be more selective in their clientele. I would assume that would continue after implementation of a universal healthcare system. http://www.kff.org/medicare/issue-brief/primary-care-physicians-accepting-medicare-a-snapshot/ Doctors accept some Medicare patients. Sort of like some lawyers will do some pro bono work. Drs. can't survive if all their patients are on Medicare just as lawyers couldn't survive if all their clients were pro bono. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr.Sack Posted August 10, 2017 Author Share Posted August 10, 2017 You presented no facts to debate. That's what makes you an idiot. You are an idiot because you have one line of attack. That means you are an idiot. Doctors accept some Medicare patients. Sort of like some lawyers will do some pro bono work. Drs. can't survive if all their patients are on Medicare just as lawyers couldn't survive if all their clients were pro bono. Physicians accept 93% of Medicare patients, 94% of private insurance. Did you click the link? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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