DriveFor1Outta5 Posted August 10, 2017 Posted August 10, 2017 Many of the posters on this forum have Western NY ties. I can see why Western NY was never a hotbed of football talent. Being Bills fans are deeply ingrained in our hearts. High school and college football culture is not. I don't see parents in Texas or Alabama stopping their sons from playing football anytime soon. Football will remain alive and well.
MAJBobby Posted August 10, 2017 Posted August 10, 2017 There is absolutely nothing wrong with your beliefs. In fact I commend you for doing what you think is best for your children. However, I think it all comes down to differing parental philosophies. You mention it being a parents job to make decisions for 8 teenage years. I don't necessarily agree with that. I hope to give my children the information they need to make informed decisions. Decision making is a critical life skill. If that is taken away for eight years how do people ever learn the skill? As parents we are not often able to be around at the most critical times. Our children are constantly making choices, even when we are unaware they are doing so. In these instances I would trust a child who has been given the ability to make decisions more than one who hasn't. How can you trust your child going away to college who hasn't been given the opportunity to ever make their own choices? I think that over parenting has become one of the biggest problems with my generation. My peers weren't given the opportunity to make decisions. When they are presented with opportunities to do so they make poor decisions. It's difficult to do something that someone else has always done for you. I attribute a great deal of young people's immaturity to this. Our children hear everything that we say. We've been saying for years that teenagers are incapable of making decisions. This essentially gives them the belief that they have a free pass for anything they do. If they are incapable of decision making, how can they be held accountable for their actions? My ultimate point is that I wouldn't tell me child that they can't play football. I'd allow them to make whatever decision they feel feasible with the information we have. I'm not going to stop my child for living their life and pursuing their dreams, just as I wouldn't stop them from joining the Marine Corps. Please don't be mistaken. I don't believe in parents doing nothing. There are plenty of rules that need to be established for kids. There are many things that I will simply not allow. I just won't go as far as saying that a parents job is to make every decision for my children. Saying no to play a sport seems like helicopter parenting to me. I remember in my school district that around two or three kids seemed to die in car accidents every year. A 16 year old driving scares me far more than football. I think i was a little misunderstood i agree decision making is critical and yes a teenager can make an infromed decision. Inwas more talking 8,9,10,11 years. Even the younger teenage years. Heck we all know how kids feel they are invincible nothing will happen to me. I look at it this way too. I loved when I played from 8 years old to 22 (paid my college education too). Now 6 knee surgeries, shoulder and various orher INJ later people would ask me if you had it all to do over would you still play. Answer was an easy YES. Now with CTE coming to light and knowing i have had concussions, but the sub concussive impacts also still impact it when people aske me if i woukd do it all again. Answer is an easy No. I would play a much less violent sport. I do think sports is an important part for kids growth. But my question is what does contact Pop Warner do for a Kid that non contact football wouldnt. No reason to start putting their body through that stress at such a young age. Doesnt hurt them from learning the game. You dont need contact to learn how to play football. Many of the posters on this forum have Western NY ties. I can see why Western NY was never a hotbed of football talent. Being Bills fans are deeply ingrained in our hearts. High school and college football culture is not. I don't see parents in Texas or Alabama stopping their sons from playing football anytime soon. Football will remain alive and well. Stationed in Texas now. Was stationed in FL before. Yes there are alot of parent not allowing thier kids to play contact youth football (no need) that is why there are alot of flag leagues springing up in these states.
CodeMonkey Posted August 10, 2017 Posted August 10, 2017 Many of the posters on this forum have Western NY ties. I can see why Western NY was never a hotbed of football talent. Being Bills fans are deeply ingrained in our hearts. High school and college football culture is not. I don't see parents in Texas or Alabama stopping their sons from playing football anytime soon. Football will remain alive and well. I agree with what you say regarding HS and college football in the south. I once was in a small town in Texas on business and someone there told me I would need to either go eat dinner somewhere by 5pm on Friday, or plan on eating at the high school football stadium because nothing else would be open ... and they were right.
RyanC883 Posted August 10, 2017 Posted August 10, 2017 My dad's argument against football when we were kids (1980's) was that we were still growing, and the potential for neck/spine injuries was high. Weren't allowed to play til high school. By that time, my athletic "prowess" was obviously not good enough to make a team. My brother, however, went out for JV in 10th grade and started o-line right away. He went varsity next year and ended up starting for two years, and got a couple "All WNY Team" nods. Point here is you don't necessarily need to start all kids at an early age for them to eventually excel. I would say my dad mitigated the risks quite well. I had a similar experience, couldn't play till middle school. I think tackle football in pop-warner, etc. will go away. As you point out, you don't need to start young. Actually, flag football at a younger age may teach the "fundamentals" of how to catch, run, cover a man, etc. better. I think i was a little misunderstood i agree decision making is critical and yes a teenager can make an infromed decision. Inwas more talking 8,9,10,11 years. Even the younger teenage years. Heck we all know how kids feel they are invincible nothing will happen to me. I look at it this way too. I loved when I played from 8 years old to 22 (paid my college education too). Now 6 knee surgeries, shoulder and various orher INJ later people would ask me if you had it all to do over would you still play. Answer was an easy YES. Now with CTE coming to light and knowing i have had concussions, but the sub concussive impacts also still impact it when people aske me if i woukd do it all again. Answer is an easy No. I would play a much less violent sport. I do think sports is an important part for kids growth. But my question is what does contact Pop Warner do for a Kid that non contact football wouldnt. No reason to start putting their body through that stress at such a young age. Doesnt hurt them from learning the game. You dont need contact to learn how to play football. Stationed in Texas now. Was stationed in FL before. Yes there are alot of parent not allowing thier kids to play contact youth football (no need) that is why there are alot of flag leagues springing up in these states. football is also huge in Western PA where I live. And there are a lot of flag football leagues. I agree with you, no need to put the body through the "hits" when they are that young. I have two sons and wouldn't let them do that. But flag would be fine. I can also see soccer becoming more mainstream in the future, esp. at the high school level.
Buffalo716 Posted August 10, 2017 Posted August 10, 2017 I had two friends who went to the nfl. Both were offensive lineman. The one kid started when he was 5. He was groomed to be a LT from day 1. His father was a LT at Maryland and a premier HS coach. He was the best lineman I ever played with. Perfect technique and student of the game The other started when he was 12. He was super strong and an athletic freak. He played TE and D end. Blew out his knee and switched to Oline in college where he started at every position through 4 years Both took different routes but both made it to the league. Some kids are groomed to be NFL players from day 1, while others will play 4 sports in 4 different seasons and do that through HS I played 4 different HS sports so I definitely understand how cross training between sports makes one a better football player. If you are gifted enough to wait till your 15 to play football go for it. But there will always be that kid who was groomed from birth
MAJBobby Posted August 10, 2017 Posted August 10, 2017 (edited) I had two friends who went to the nfl. Both were offensive lineman. The one kid started when he was 5. He was groomed to be a LT from day 1. His father was a LT at Maryland and a premier HS coach. He was the best lineman I ever played with. Perfect technique and student of the game The other started when he was 12. He was super strong and an athletic freak. He played TE and D end. Blew out his knee and switched to Oline in college where he started at every position through 4 years Both took different routes but both made it to the league. Some kids are groomed to be NFL players from day 1, while others will play 4 sports in 4 different seasons and do that through HS I played 4 different HS sports so I definitely understand how cross training between sports makes one a better football player. If you are gifted enough to wait till your 15 to play football go for it. But there will always be that kid who was groomed from birth Yes there is. But let me ask what part of Contact Football helps make a player better in his later years? Technique and everything can be taught, learned and ingrained without one once of contact right? Not trying to demonize any parent allowing or even pushing youth football. I learned at a very early two things you never do. 1. Tell your wife what to do (always ask nicely and gifts help) 2. Tell another parent how to raise their child. Edited August 10, 2017 by MAJBobby
Buffalo716 Posted August 10, 2017 Posted August 10, 2017 Yes there is. But let me ask what part of Contact Football helps make a player better in his later years? Technique and everything can be taught, learned and ingrained without one once of contact right? Definitely. And the contact definitely adds up. By my sophomore year of college ball I was beat I was undersized , concussed , and had 14+ years of wear and tear
Bray Wyatt Posted August 10, 2017 Posted August 10, 2017 I had a similar experience, couldn't play till middle school. I think tackle football in pop-warner, etc. will go away. As you point out, you don't need to start young. Actually, flag football at a younger age may teach the "fundamentals" of how to catch, run, cover a man, etc. better. football is also huge in Western PA where I live. And there are a lot of flag football leagues. I agree with you, no need to put the body through the "hits" when they are that young. I have two sons and wouldn't let them do that. But flag would be fine. I can also see soccer becoming more mainstream in the future, esp. at the high school level. If soccer becomes more popular it shouldn't be because of concussions in football http://www.newsleader.com/story/sports/2015/06/25/concussions-soccer-football-wrestling/29268651/
Big Blitz Posted August 10, 2017 Posted August 10, 2017 Pretty sure we're about to enter a golden age of running backs.. David Johnson Leveon Jordan Howard Zeke Fournette Sent from my SM-G928V using Tapatalk
Prickly Pete Posted August 10, 2017 Posted August 10, 2017 (edited) They will probably continue to mess with the rules, and eventually make it less physical, so women will be able to compete. I could see them having certain positions be off limit for contact (or just touched). QB, and kickers first. They will get women on the field. Edited August 10, 2017 by HoF Watkins
DriveFor1Outta5 Posted August 10, 2017 Posted August 10, 2017 I think i was a little misunderstood i agree decision making is critical and yes a teenager can make an infromed decision. Inwas more talking 8,9,10,11 years. Even the younger teenage years. Heck we all know how kids feel they are invincible nothing will happen to me. I look at it this way too. I loved when I played from 8 years old to 22 (paid my college education too). Now 6 knee surgeries, shoulder and various orher INJ later people would ask me if you had it all to do over would you still play. Answer was an easy YES. Now with CTE coming to light and knowing i have had concussions, but the sub concussive impacts also still impact it when people aske me if i woukd do it all again. Answer is an easy No. I would play a much less violent sport. I do think sports is an important part for kids growth. But my question is what does contact Pop Warner do for a Kid that non contact football wouldnt. No reason to start putting their body through that stress at such a young age. Doesnt hurt them from learning the game. You dont need contact to learn how to play football. Stationed in Texas now. Was stationed in FL before. Yes there are alot of parent not allowing thier kids to play contact youth football (no need) that is why there are alot of flag leagues springing up in these states. If Pop Warner became flag football I wouldn't lose sleep over it. I wouldn't necessarily agree 100%, but I wouldn't be annoyed either. I was addressing statements like "I wouldn't let my kid play football". I didn't know that we were just talking about Pop Warner. I assumed that statement applied to any and all football. Obviously it's a personal choice that I don't want to criticize. It's just something that I find to be an intriguing discussion. After all that is the purpose of these forums.
North Buffalo Posted August 10, 2017 Posted August 10, 2017 golf is a dying sport. courses are trying to attract members here with freebies. I heard everyone playing is over 50 or 60. nobody younger. LOL. golf is a dying sport. courses are trying to attract members here with freebies. I heard everyone playing is over 50 or 60. nobody younger. LOL. It was always an old man's sport, only golfer in my family was my grandfather... we have had a group of younger guys invade for a while, but its going back to its rightful placean old man's sport... so by definition its dying.
BobbyC81 Posted August 10, 2017 Posted August 10, 2017 They need to fix the helmets and find a cure for the brain disease. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk A friend once read an article about a new technology helmet somebody came up with but it seemed to be squashed. Anyways, a helmet made of concrete still wouldn't stop the brain from sloshing around in the skull. You'd almost need an Iron Man or Robocop uniform where the head can't be moved side-to-side.
Prickly Pete Posted August 23, 2017 Posted August 23, 2017 I wonder what the life expectancy, or health prognosis for a construction worker is?
EasternOHBillsFan Posted August 23, 2017 Posted August 23, 2017 My kids two Boys will NOT be allowed to play football. As a parent and former player through college I would not be doing my job in keeping them safe if i allowed them to play. But my two and the 25,000 that didnt play last year will affect nothing. Football will still be used by alot of kids as an "out" and a solution to a better life LIFE isn't safe... that's how it goes. To shelter kids from football isn't a solution if they want to play. If my son wants to join the military like me, or football, then I say GO FOR IT because everyone eventually suffers from something- we are human beings.
Dr.Sack Posted August 23, 2017 Posted August 23, 2017 Football is dying because they have failed to protect the players from concussions.
leonbus23 Posted August 23, 2017 Posted August 23, 2017 LIFE isn't safe... that's how it goes. To shelter kids from football isn't a solution if they want to play. If my son wants to join the military like me, or football, then I say GO FOR IT because everyone eventually suffers from something- we are human beings. Jerry was a race car driver.
North Buffalo Posted August 23, 2017 Posted August 23, 2017 LIFE isn't safe... that's how it goes. To shelter kids from football isn't a solution if they want to play. If my son wants to join the military like me, or football, then I say GO FOR IT because everyone eventually suffers from something- we are human beings. Yeah but soccer Mom's get a hold of that and foget about it. That being said my 13 wants to play. His mom isn't encouraging it but will support him if he does. This year is gonna be flag football. Kid is 5'8" just turned 13 and solid 160lbs. I have height in my family, I'm 6'1" 200, but I am one of the short ones and her brother is 6'3" and father was 6'5". I expect him to be in that range. His feet are already bigger than mine. Coaches are trying to get him to play. We shall see. P.S. I still play hockey and get hit no and then. Need to learn how to take a hit and be hit. Football is dying because they have failed to protect the players from concussions. Football is dying because the NFL is boring with too many advertisement timeouts. Not enough continuous play... I can't go to a game anymore. I watching at a bar where there is other entertainment or other games going on. At least I can eat during timeouts. Even at home it gets boring on TV.
Mat68 Posted August 23, 2017 Posted August 23, 2017 Check out what Riddell and Vicis are doing with helmets. The new helmets that are coming out are significantly better at absorbing the impact than the current helmets. Kind of like when cars went from rigid bodies to bodies with crumple zones. Remove shoulder pads and helmets. Without a helmet technique changes. Concussions will come way down.
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