YoloinOhio Posted August 8, 2017 Posted August 8, 2017 I would also be in favor of pursuing a wink-nod agreement to release and re-sign Ryan Davis after week 1 if it meant gaining the 3rd round comp pick. As for Holmes and Ducasse, well, I didn't want either in the first place, so please, by all means, bring on Streater and Mudge/Ola/etc regarding Ducasse, I read that the recently signed Barton has looked pretty good
thebandit27 Posted August 8, 2017 Posted August 8, 2017 Lets hope they field the best possible 53 and let the chips(comp draft picks) fall where they may. Playing a strategy like that might work if your bottoming out like Cleveland. I agree that keeping the best players is what's important, but my point is simply that I doubt keeping Andre Holmes vs. Rod Streater will be the difference between 8-8 and 10-6 for this team, so why not make the more prudent move in terms of draft pick capitol if you can?
Estro Posted August 9, 2017 Author Posted August 9, 2017 (edited) I agree that keeping the best players is what's important, but my point is simply that I doubt keeping Andre Holmes vs. Rod Streater will be the difference between 8-8 and 10-6 for this team, so why not make the more prudent move in terms of draft pick capitol if you can? Precisely. Couple that with McDermott, Beane and even Pegula all claiming you build through the draft. You can't say that & then forgo valuable & more importantly free mid round draft picks in favor of singing C-level FA's when you have a team predicted to win 7 games. At some point this team needs to get smart and backup their words with intelligent roster building. Edited August 9, 2017 by Estro
wilcoam Posted August 9, 2017 Posted August 9, 2017 The mistake mgmt made wasn't necessarily singing fringe depth players like Holmes, Ducasse, and Davis, it was that they signed them b4 June 1st or whatever the deadline was, or didn't make an arrangement with their agents to be signed after x date so they would not count as a negative towards the comp count If we lose, what should be easy lower 3rd and 4th round picks, it makes that much harder to trade up in 2018 for the players mgmt really wants, which now that you can trade the picks, is likely their best value, not so much actually drafting any players but to be used to move up Sons eno one really knows all the cap rules, other than what is listed on the overthecap website, I am not convinced releasing these players b4 week 10 changes the formula, where we are presently have singed 7 and lost 5, meaning there would have to a swing of 3 players just to get one comp pick jc
kota Posted August 9, 2017 Posted August 9, 2017 Picks are nice but unfortunately people feel that a GM is failing if he doesn't get those picks. People want to blame the Bills playoff drought on it when in reality its been lack of a solid coach and QB.
thebandit27 Posted August 9, 2017 Posted August 9, 2017 Picks are nice but unfortunately people feel that a GM is failing if he doesn't get those picks. People want to blame the Bills playoff drought on it when in reality its been lack of a solid coach and QB. I have never heard a single person say that. The mistake mgmt made wasn't necessarily singing fringe depth players like Holmes, Ducasse, and Davis, it was that they signed them b4 June 1st or whatever the deadline was, or didn't make an arrangement with their agents to be signed after x date so they would not count as a negative towards the comp count ^Also a relevant point.
Kirby Jackson Posted August 9, 2017 Posted August 9, 2017 I agree that keeping the best players is what's important, but my point is simply that I doubt keeping Andre Holmes vs. Rod Streater will be the difference between 8-8 and 10-6 for this team, so why not make the more prudent move in terms of draft pick capitol if you can? If the Bills were offered a 3rd and Rod Streater for Andre Holmes it'd be a no-brainer. It's not quite that simple but isn't far from that either.
26CornerBlitz Posted August 9, 2017 Posted August 9, 2017 Beane was on WGR the other day and he responded to a question about compensatory picks by saying he wouldn't be doing his job if it weren't part of his consideration with respect to the final roster. He went on to say that he won't construct a roster he thinks has less talent just to get more comp picks.
BillnutinHouston Posted August 9, 2017 Posted August 9, 2017 I liked Beane's answer to the question earlier this week, because as I recalled it mirrored my thinking. As I recall, it was basically, yes I'm aware of the comp pick formulas, but we balance that awareness with making sure we're putting the best team on the field. I didn't get the impression Beane considers preserving comp picks as a driver of decision-making, which is precisely where I am.
26CornerBlitz Posted August 9, 2017 Posted August 9, 2017 @RobQuinn619 Bills fans turned this comment into releasing 3 players they signed 5 months ago and getting a 3rd round pick. amazing @SalSports Replying to @RobQuinn619 I used to think it was completely crazy-talk. But I don't anymore after being around Beane and listening to him. Still think doubtful though @RobQuinn619 Replying to @SalSports I just can't see it. There's literally no DE depth, WR questions, and he said "not throwing a worse team out there" @SalSports Again, I don't think it will happen. But I think it's wrong to completely discount it after watching practice every day and hearing him.
eball Posted August 9, 2017 Posted August 9, 2017 You know what's better than a compensatory pick? Signing a FA who actually makes your roster better, now.
26CornerBlitz Posted August 9, 2017 Posted August 9, 2017 You know what's better than a compensatory pick? Signing a FA who actually makes your roster better, now. Not for the Tankers Brigade.
Mark Vader Posted August 9, 2017 Posted August 9, 2017 You know what's better than a compensatory pick? Signing a FA who actually makes your roster better, now. Not for the Tankers Brigade.
Kirby Jackson Posted August 9, 2017 Posted August 9, 2017 Not for the Tankers Brigade. I guess for me it's not about tanking as much as it is asset collection. If I have the choice of a 3rd and Streater or Holmes I'm taking the 3rd and Streater 8 days a week. It's just a better move. Preston Brown was a 3rd as was John Miller. You can get 2 contributing players for the price of 1 (that may not even be an upgrade).
eball Posted August 9, 2017 Posted August 9, 2017 I guess for me it's not about tanking as much as it is asset collection. If I have the choice of a 3rd and Streater or Holmes I'm taking the 3rd and Streater 8 days a week. It's just a better move. Preston Brown was a 3rd as was John Miller. You can get 2 contributing players for the price of 1 (that may not even be an upgrade). I guess it depends upon just how crucial they believe Holmes' ST skills are. If you believe you have another gunner on the roster then you let Holmes go and grab the pick. Doesn't really change my point, though.
BarleyNY Posted August 9, 2017 Posted August 9, 2017 https://overthecap.com/compensatory-draft-picks-cancellation-chart/ Here's a good link to OverTheCap's comp pick projections. They're always very close or spot on. Bills don't seem in the running for a 2018 comp pick.
Kirby Jackson Posted August 9, 2017 Posted August 9, 2017 I guess it depends upon just how crucial they believe Holmes' ST skills are. If you believe you have another gunner on the roster then you let Holmes go and grab the pick. Doesn't really change my point, though. I guess we just see it differently. I'd trade the best gunner in the league for a 3rd at any time. https://overthecap.com/compensatory-draft-picks-cancellation-chart/ Here's a good link to OverTheCap's comp pick projections. They're always very close or spot on. Bills don't seem in the running for a 2018 comp pick. I believe that it is Holmes, Ducasse and Davis but it could end up less or more based on snap counts of Blanton and Hunter as well as Ducasse.
Jamie Muellers Ghost Posted August 11, 2017 Posted August 11, 2017 (edited) I think this is going to be almost a given now with what happened. Don't we also have until week 10 on these players that are involved in the compensatory formula? Based on Camp and play so far though I think we can pencil in Ducasse as a cut. I know it's three players for an additional third what does a 4th player get us again is it a sixth ? Edited August 11, 2017 by Jamie Muellers Ghost
BringBackOrton Posted August 11, 2017 Posted August 11, 2017 Cut Ducasse, Davis and Holmes today. Let's go McBean Not for the Tankers Brigade. RIP in peace.
QCity Posted August 11, 2017 Posted August 11, 2017 Start packing your bags Andre, Vlad, and Ryan. If Justin Hunter winds up qualifying this season (it's possible), we may even get an extra 4th! If Beane pulls this off, I may have to consider adjusting my "dead buffalo" avatar into something more positive. This is an exciting day.
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