BuffaloHokie13 Posted August 8, 2017 Posted August 8, 2017 And Matt Barkley versus Jordan Howard last year? Matt Barkley had less total attempts than Jordan Howard last year. He was asked to do less and had less of an overall impact on their offense for the season as a whole. Barkley also only started 6 games last year, so a bit of a special circumstance. If you want to know any others you can look them up yourself though. I am consistent in my message and I have yet to see any response that indicates otherwise other than Commonsense looking at positional values and applying rates and qualifiers which seems to me like a way to conform the data to what you want, but that's just my opinion on it.
Maury Ballstein Posted August 8, 2017 Posted August 8, 2017 Same tired arguements from the same people who are not gonna come off their stance Thursday cannot come soon enough It's preseason and it'll only get louder. We got a guy bragging about practice Td's running around hea.
JM2009 Posted August 8, 2017 Posted August 8, 2017 Same tired arguements from the same people who are not gonna come off their stance Thursday cannot come soon enough Pre season games mean nothing. Just hope for no injuries. It's the Jets game where it begins.
grb Posted August 8, 2017 Posted August 8, 2017 It really isn't anticipation. It's recognition and reaction, and those are athletic skills. Reading Dennison's comments which started this farrago, that was my reaction : He was talking about decisiveness and quick decisions rather than the infamous "throw with anticipation". The two may be related but they're not the same thing. Of course Taylor could improve in both, so maybe it's a moot point.
Royale with Cheese Posted August 8, 2017 Posted August 8, 2017 After all this arguing, has it been determined who has the biggest penis in this thread?
Meathead Posted August 8, 2017 Author Posted August 8, 2017 He may attempt to get rid of the ball sooner, but he's been delivering the ball late his whole career. The great qbs like Brady & Rodgers throw a man open. I've heard Peterman also has this ability. This will be TT's final chance to change a very bad habit. We'll see? right which is why dennison is so blunt in his characterization so we shouldnt be surprised that dennison feels that way. im just a little surprised that he was so obvious and outspoken about it he might as well have said "as any fan could tell you, tyrod doesnt anticipate receivers coming open very well. we've told him until we are blue in the face. now its up to him, he either does it or we're looking for a new qb" its just surprising that dennison just comes right out with it like he did this early in camp. its almost like hes already growing frustrated trying to get tyrod to do it
BuffaloHokie13 Posted August 8, 2017 Posted August 8, 2017 After all this arguing, has it been determined who has the biggest penis in this thread? it's from the other Tyrod thread, but I'm guessing this guy I wish for a 12" pianist.
BringBackOrton Posted August 8, 2017 Posted August 8, 2017 (edited) Matt Barkley had less total attempts than Jordan Howard last year. He was asked to do less and had less of an overall impact on their offense for the season as a whole. Barkley also only started 6 games last year, so a bit of a special circumstance. If you want to know any others you can look them up yourself though. I am consistent in my message and I have yet to see any response that indicates otherwise other than Commonsense looking at positional values and applying rates and qualifiers which seems to me like a way to conform the data to what you want, but that's just my opinion on it. I guess if a QB touches the ball more than an RB, you believe they had more of an impact on the offense? I think that's kind of a narrow-minded argument. Just IMO. Especially when it's argued consistently how much of an impact TT has when he's not touching the ball. Just seems a little unbalanced. Edited August 8, 2017 by jmc12290
starrymessenger Posted August 8, 2017 Posted August 8, 2017 Good to hear a coach confirm what many of us here already observed... It's one of a few spots TT leaves his throat open for a kid like Peterman... Can't wait 'til' Thursday... I think there is a real chance Tyrod does not start after the break. If he can't do what the OC and others have asked, and there is no reason to think that he can, I just don't think this staff will stick with him. They have no committment to him and they may want to see what Peterman can do i.e. ideally as a starter/placeholder after they get their guy next year. The QB needs to have good chemistry with his receivers to run a WC offence variant and for Tyrod thats a tall order, especially when having to deal with NFL corners, safeties and outside LBs. It just isn't easy to do, even if your name is Brady or Manning. If it can be learned I hope Tyrod figures it out. If he does, this O can make some noise.
Cripple Creek Posted August 8, 2017 Posted August 8, 2017 right which is why dennison is so blunt in his characterization so we shouldnt be surprised that dennison feels that way. im just a little surprised that he was so obvious and outspoken about it he might as well have said "as any fan could tell you, tyrod doesnt anticipate receivers coming open very well. we've told him until we are blue in the face. now its up to him, he either does it or we're looking for a new qb" its just surprising that dennison just comes right out with it like he did this early in camp. its almost like hes already growing frustrated trying to get tyrod to do it He didn't say anything different from what's been written here, you're right though, he was pretty blunt about it. That doesn't bother me a bit. I don't think it will have an appreciable effect, but, you never know. What coach/QB combination had a timer during training camp a few years back? Was that JP? Bledsoe? I honestly can't remember.
Captain Murica Posted August 8, 2017 Posted August 8, 2017 After all this arguing, has it been determined who has the biggest penis in this thread? Did you just assume all the Anti-Tyrod folks gender? I kid.
26CornerBlitz Posted August 8, 2017 Posted August 8, 2017 RICK DENNISON: "WE'RE CATCHING ON" (10:16) People should take a listen to this for context.
MAJBobby Posted August 8, 2017 Posted August 8, 2017 There is no "option". There is just year 2 of a 2 year deal that pays him (I think) $18m in 2018. Even as someone who believes there is next to no chance he is long term answer I think if he performs the same again then you keep him for that year draft his replacement in the 1st and let that guy sit and learn for a few weeks before throwing him in. If the rookie decisively beats Tyrod out in camp - great... you know he has beaten out a legit NFL starter not a bloke who can't even stand up on a mat. But unless Tyrod wows me in 2017 and proves beyond doubt to be a franchise guy then 2018 should be his 4th and final season on the Bills. Sure there is a 6M bonus due the third day of new league year. That is the option. Dont pay it save 10M in cap space. Pay it and have TT at an 18M cap hit (and some change)
Shaw66 Posted August 8, 2017 Posted August 8, 2017 Reading Dennison's comments which started this farrago, that was my reaction : He was talking about decisiveness and quick decisions rather than the infamous "throw with anticipation". The two may be related but they're not the same thing. Of course Taylor could improve in both, so maybe it's a moot point.I think they're different. I think a lot of the west coast throws are read and react, which any good athlete can learn. The anticipation throws that I think most people talk about are longer routes where the qb has to make a judgment about whether a receiver will get open. That's different. People talk about Brady like he's God. I think a lot of his throws are read and react. He sees the defense, takes the snap, makes one read and throws. The read is something like did the LB drop or not? Is the safety poaching? Depending on what he sees he throws it. He doesn't wait to see if the guy is going to open up because he knows if the LB dropped the guy will be open.
MAJBobby Posted August 8, 2017 Posted August 8, 2017 (edited) No other NFL qbs throw for TDs in garbage time or against bad teams--only Tyrod.Were did i say that. I said Points run up against bad teams ie how many we hang against a bad San Fran team? 33 against Bad AZ 30 against Bad Rams 45 against Bad San Fran 33 against Bad Cle So 141 of Bills 399 against 4 teams. Leaving 21.5 ppg against remaining 12 teams. So yes scoring was run up against bad teams (drops even more if you take out Defensive scores) both on the run up against bad teams and overall Edited August 8, 2017 by MAJBobby
Foxx Posted August 8, 2017 Posted August 8, 2017 The OC's biggest takeaway so far? Taylor needs to work on anticipating where the receiver is supposed to be open and delivering to that spot rather than waiting for him to gain separation. "He understands what we want done," Dennison said Monday, before the Bills' 10th practice of training camp at St. John Fisher College. "It's just keeping him on the same page, listening to his feet, getting the ball out on time. That's the biggest thing for (us) working on it. "He's bought into it. He knows what he needs to do, he knows that the ball will get out. He knows where everybody is, that's the biggest thing for me. Distribution and (when) his feet tell him to move on, he's got to move on. He can't wait for a route to open up. http://buffalonews.com/2017/08/07/bills-oc-tyrod-taylor-cant-wait-route-open/ rut roh this cant be the first time tyrod has heard this. like i would expect hes heard it for the last decade at least. once he got to the pros the only reason they wouldnt say it is bc they got tired of repeating it all the time ive always just assumed that he was weak at that and would have to be productive in other ways cough running cough, not turning the ball over, etc. of course that means he would always be a middling qb in the nfl, but middling can make a living and middling is better than suck. once in a while middling even breaks through and becomes a stud ala rich gannon, but its kinda rare dennison hammering on it so bluntly now means sink or swim son. sink or swim. they are telling tyrod now or never, and if its never you aint gonna be here for long its a bit stunning in its public frankness, tbh. you dont often see that direct of pressure aired in the media for a standing starting qb so its pretty obvious dennisions clicker has run out of notches on this issue with tyrod. ty knows what denny wants. the whole world knows what denny wants. do it or dun dun duuuun what's the over/under on when Peterman starts? game 8?
26CornerBlitz Posted August 8, 2017 Posted August 8, 2017 what's the over/under on when Peterman starts? game 8? Peterman will start zero games this season because unless Tyrod is injured. He's TJ Yates with less experience.
Foxx Posted August 8, 2017 Posted August 8, 2017 (edited) I disagree that this is not an offense suited to Taylor. I think it's likely to be perfect for him. First, this offense requires a simple read and throw. It's decision making that a good athlete like Taylor can learn. Look for a key; if you see it, throw it. It really isn't anticipation. It's recognition and reaction, and those are athletic skills. Second, it's an offense based on stretch runs to the outside, and that's an offense that leads to moving pockets and rollouts. Those are strengths for Taylor. Third, the stretch runs, with zone blocking, also fit his running style. I think people will be surprised at how well Taylor runs the offense. lol. the WCO is all about read and react. he hasn't been able to learn how to anticipate in his 7 years since being out of college. what in heavens name makes anyone think he is suddenly going to learn how to do this? anticipation----- recognition and reaction... tomato/tomatoe, same same. but for arguments sake, i'll take what the OC chooses to call it over a BB jockey any day of the week. Edited August 8, 2017 by Foxx
NoSaint Posted August 8, 2017 Posted August 8, 2017 I saw a lot of chatter about throwing with anticipation but in the couple pages I read I didn't see a ton on the half of the quote about moving through his progressions on time. Did we cover that too?
starrymessenger Posted August 8, 2017 Posted August 8, 2017 Peterman will start zero games this season because unless Tyrod is injured. He's TJ Yates with less experience. 26 I've filed this one away for future reference.
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