MAJBobby Posted August 6, 2017 Posted August 6, 2017 (edited) Clay gets hammered by fans because of his Production. Well look at his QBs EJ and TT. EJ well was bad TT doesnt throw where Clay does his work. Not a bad initial contract. The bad part was the restructure when there is obviously a Knee deterioration going on. Without the restructure you could have walked away anytime after last year with no major Dead Money if that knee finally goes away. Now your tied through at least next year. (BAD decision to do the restructure) If the QB can finally find an open Clay (was alot last year) you are gonna see his numbers get big in this system. If NOT people will still call Clays contract bad Edited August 6, 2017 by MAJBobby
BringBackOrton Posted August 6, 2017 Posted August 6, 2017 On 8/5/2017 at 11:35 PM, The Wiz said: there at least a chance to be able to trade/cut Clay. Marcell is neither. CLay's contract is effectively fully guaranteed for another year or two, I think.
MAJBobby Posted August 6, 2017 Posted August 6, 2017 On 8/6/2017 at 12:05 AM, jmc12290 said: CLay's contract is effectively fully guaranteed for another year or two, I think. Two. This year and next. Next year you can cut his 9M cap hit and gain 9M in dead $. So not really until 2019 can you do anything with Clay (thanks to bad restructure decision)
The Wiz Posted August 6, 2017 Posted August 6, 2017 On 8/6/2017 at 12:05 AM, jmc12290 said: CLay's contract is effectively fully guaranteed for another year or two, I think. it is. Actually more than that. But his contract at least has numbers that can be worked with. 13m vs 25m in dead space over the next 2 years.
Mark Vader Posted August 6, 2017 Posted August 6, 2017 On 8/5/2017 at 10:53 PM, PromoTheRobot said: The Bills never sign anyone, except the players we do.
Gunsgoodtime Posted August 6, 2017 Posted August 6, 2017 On 8/5/2017 at 10:53 PM, PromoTheRobot said: The Bills never sign anyone, except the players we do. I don't sign players often, but when I do its a bust
26CornerBlitz Posted August 6, 2017 Posted August 6, 2017 The Bills better not sign Sammy to an extension because as soon as his name is on the dotted line both of his feet will be shattered.
Pbomb Posted August 6, 2017 Posted August 6, 2017 On 8/5/2017 at 10:50 PM, Buffalo716 said: We would still be drastically worse with him off the roster. He is by far the best TE we have had here in a long long time. He can do it all Top 12 in the league easily. Just gotta stay healthy. I'd rather have him on the roster this, dont understand why people want to have so much cap room. Id rather have good players. I remember the ralph is cheap days when we had 50 mil every year. While glenn, dareus, and clay have been banged up and missed time they have still played the majoritu of games. Every team has injuries
Bill from NYC Posted August 6, 2017 Posted August 6, 2017 On 8/5/2017 at 10:50 PM, Buffalo716 said: We would still be drastically worse with him off the roster. He is by far the best TE we have had here in a long long time. He can do it all Top 12 in the league easily. Just gotta stay healthy. I'd rather have him on the roster As Bills fans, it is natural to talk about whether or not players are/were "good," or even "busts." After all, what are we supposed to talk about? The thing is, Whaley used 2 1st round picks and a fourth to draft a receiver. He also gave a frequently injured "good" tight end a billion dollars. Both play on a team with quarterback issues. No matter who wins the argument, the Bills are losing and will continue to lose until this issue is solved. McDermott cannot be as bad as Ryan. It isn't possible but grabbing that 1st round corner was more of the same as far as I am concerned. The new administration had better do something soon if they want to keep this franchise in WNY.
Charles Romes Posted August 6, 2017 Posted August 6, 2017 Clay does not compare to a healthy Gronk or Jimmy Graham but he's still a top 10 tight end.
Putin Posted August 6, 2017 Posted August 6, 2017 On 8/5/2017 at 11:16 PM, Rocky Landing said: All of those guys have been productive signings. So was Mario Williams, for that matter. You have to pay for the best players, and all players get dinged up. That's not a jinx, it's just the nature of the game. This ^^^^^
Meathead Posted August 6, 2017 Posted August 6, 2017 On 8/5/2017 at 11:16 PM, Rocky Landing said: All of those guys have been productive signings. So was Mario Williams, for that matter. You have to pay for the best players, and all players get dinged up. That's not a jinx, it's just the nature of the game. stop trying to pretend like we're not dooomed
Rocky Landing Posted August 6, 2017 Posted August 6, 2017 On 8/6/2017 at 1:34 PM, Meathead said: stop trying to pretend like we're not dooomed Whoa, easy. This is all academic. We're doomed. We are doooomed.
frostbitmic Posted August 6, 2017 Posted August 6, 2017 I might be going out on a limb here but the trade for McCoy and the renegotiation of his contract seems to have worked out. Richie and Lorenzo wave hello too. On 8/6/2017 at 5:45 PM, Rocky Landing said: Whoa, easy. This is all academic. We're doomed. We are doooomed. Stop that .... We can't be doomed til week 1 is over.
Gunsgoodtime Posted August 6, 2017 Posted August 6, 2017 On 8/6/2017 at 11:41 PM, frostbitmic said: I might be going out on a limb here but the trade for McCoy and the renegotiation of his contract seems to have worked out. Richie and Lorenzo wave hello too. Stop that .... We can't be doomed til week 1 is over. I'm going to Carolina week 2, we have to at least remain in the hunt through week 2. We have a good shot at that lol
Rocky Landing Posted August 7, 2017 Posted August 7, 2017 On 8/6/2017 at 11:41 PM, frostbitmic said: I might be going out on a limb here but the trade for McCoy and the renegotiation of his contract seems to have worked out. Richie and Lorenzo wave hello too. Stop that .... We can't be doomed til week 1 is over. Haven't you been paying attention? Week one is already over IT'S ALREADY OVER!!!
Buffalo716 Posted August 7, 2017 Posted August 7, 2017 On 8/6/2017 at 11:15 AM, Bill from NYC said: As Bills fans, it is natural to talk about whether or not players are/were "good," or even "busts." After all, what are we supposed to talk about? The thing is, Whaley used 2 1st round picks and a fourth to draft a receiver. He also gave a frequently injured "good" tight end a billion dollars. Both play on a team with quarterback issues. No matter who wins the argument, the Bills are losing and will continue to lose until this issue is solved. McDermott cannot be as bad as Ryan. It isn't possible but grabbing that 1st round corner was more of the same as far as I am concerned. The new administration had better do something soon if they want to keep this franchise in WNY. Trading up for Sammy with EJ as our QB I agree is bad management... it takes 2 to tango But now we have a young 24 year old Sammy with a lot to prove Hopefully he steps up for a 1300 yard season
dulles Posted August 7, 2017 Posted August 7, 2017 On 8/5/2017 at 10:53 PM, PromoTheRobot said: The Bills never sign anyone, except the players we do. And many of them get injuries...because injuries don't happen often in football for other teams.
Call_Of_Ktulu Posted August 7, 2017 Posted August 7, 2017 On 8/5/2017 at 11:59 PM, The Wiz said: he's not overrating him, he just doesn't understand that his routes are "over the middle" What are you trying to say that he is open but Taylor can't pass over the middle?
MAJBobby Posted August 7, 2017 Posted August 7, 2017 On 8/7/2017 at 12:04 PM, Call_Of_Ktulu said: What are you trying to say that he is open but Taylor can't pass over the middle? Pretty much and is the truth
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