vincec Posted July 29, 2017 Posted July 29, 2017 They were the #2 rushing team in 2013. Yes we did get a new OC (who was fired a year into his tenure) but we also acquired Shady, Karlos, and Incognito. Who replaced the bad 2014 crew of Freddy, Boobie and Bryce Brown. All out of the leaguers. #2 in total yards (#1 in attempts so that may offer some insight into what he's saying now) but #14 in YPC and then with his influence #26 in 2014. If you believe in the running game then you bring in players like Incognito, McCoy and Taylor draft guys like Miller. During Marrone's tenure they were drafting WRs and QBs instead. You also install a system like Roman had with multiple schemes and options so that you are difficult to defend. Heck, they even brought in WRs who were run specialists like Tate and Harvin. Everything was about helping the running game. That's how you become #1 in YPC and total yards for two straight seasons. Now, whether you can win a Super Bowl this way any more is a different question...
hondo in seattle Posted July 29, 2017 Posted July 29, 2017 Great hire Jaguars....he wants to run the ball every play...let's see how well that works in years two and three after he's had a chance to ruin the offensive line... "Last month, when head coach Doug Marrone was asked how many times quarterback Blake Bortles would ideally throw in a game, he said 'Zero.' That was not really a joke. 'For me, I want to run the ball every play, Marrone told reporters. I want to go back to the old way. I want to change the game.'" I'd love to get more context because this is just dumb. There are only two weapons in an offensive arsenal: the run and the pass. Imagine you were leading soldiers into combat. You had rifles and machine guns. But you decided not to use the machine guns because you wanted to "go back to the old way" and just use rifles. It's crazy. You enthusiastically employ every weapon at your disposal if you want to win.
BringBackOrton Posted July 29, 2017 Posted July 29, 2017 (edited) #2 in total yards (#1 in attempts so that may offer some insight into what he's saying now) but #14 in YPC and then with his influence #26 in 2014. If you believe in the running game then you bring in players like Incognito, McCoy and Taylor draft guys like Miller. During Marrone's tenure they were drafting WRs and QBs instead. You also install a system like Roman had with multiple schemes and options so that you are difficult to defend. Heck, they even brought in WRs who were run specialists like Tate and Harvin. Everything was about helping the running game. That's how you become #1 in YPC and total yards for two straight seasons. Now, whether you can win a Super Bowl this way any more is a different question... Why did 2014 have more "influence" than 2013? Does that mean we should give less credit to Roman in 2015 because it was only his first year and he didn't have much "influence?" These posts are just super inaccurate. Taylor wasn't available, neither was McCoy, how was he supposed to acquire them? Incognito, I agree with, I wanted him brought in back in 2014. Here you are sitting talking about how he drafted WR's and QB's (both very good investments in the modern NFL) but then talk about run specialist WR's brought in. Who was the best run blocking WR on the Bills in the last 4 years? It was Woods. The guy, you know, drafted when Marrone was the HC? We also traded in essence Stevie for Bryce Brown. Marshawn Lynch wasn't on the block, you know. And Whaley loved him some Spiller. Harvin played 7 games, most of them hobbled, in two years for the Bills, and he's the one you give credit to for the running game? That's certainly a first. And Tate barely saw the field as a WR. He was on the field for 14% of our total offensive snaps. Not to mention the inaccuracy in the bolded below... You become a good rushing team when you have a good scheme and good players. When Marrone was here, we didn't have the latter. It's hard to say he wouldn't have been successful on the ground with McCoy, Taylor and Incognito. I'd say he probably would've been pretty good. What confuses me is how Marrone can possibly think that he can run the ball that effectively based on the horrific rushing game he had here in Buffalo. They were in the bottom half of the league both years I believe. When he left, the Bills hired an OC who actually knew something about the running game and the immediately moved to #1 in the league. If you are going to base your offense on the running game then you need a real running back and more than 4 rushing plays in your playbook. Edited July 29, 2017 by jmc12290
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted July 29, 2017 Posted July 29, 2017 .....the Marrone/Coughlin marriage sure as hell should be interesting..........
3rdand12 Posted July 29, 2017 Posted July 29, 2017 .....the Marrone/Coughlin marriage sure as hell should be interesting.......... I am going to be forced to watch this develop. wishing Ole Doug well
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted July 29, 2017 Posted July 29, 2017 I am going to be forced to watch this develop. wishing Ole Doug well ....could be the "Real Housewives of Jacksonville"....better get your popcorn ready.................
vincec Posted July 29, 2017 Posted July 29, 2017 (edited) Why did 2014 have more "influence" than 2013? Does that mean we should give less credit to Roman in 2015 because it was only his first year and he didn't have much "influence?" These posts are just super inaccurate. Taylor wasn't available, neither was McCoy, how was he supposed to acquire them? Incognito, I agree with, I wanted him brought in back in 2014. Here you are sitting talking about how he drafted WR's and QB's (both very good investments in the modern NFL) but then talk about run specialist WR's brought in. Who was the best run blocking WR on the Bills in the last 4 years? It was Woods. The guy, you know, drafted when Marrone was the HC? We also traded in essence Stevie for Bryce Brown. Marshawn Lynch wasn't on the block, you know. And Whaley loved him some Spiller. Harvin played 7 games, most of them hobbled, in two years for the Bills, and he's the one you give credit to for the running game? That's certainly a first. And Tate barely saw the field as a WR. He was on the field for 14% of our total offensive snaps. Not to mention the inaccuracy in the bolded below... You become a good rushing team when you have a good scheme and good players. When Marrone was here, we didn't have the latter. It's hard to say he wouldn't have been successful on the ground with McCoy, Taylor and Incognito. I'd say he probably would've been pretty good. My assertion is that Marrone talks about creating a dominating running game (OP) and runs the heck out of the ball (#1 in rushing attempts in 2013) but doesn't do anything to improve the running attack (employs a basic run scheme, didn't pick up any improvements at RB or OL while in Buffalo). That is why his running attacks have been ineffective (#14 and #26 in YPC). Which one of these facts is inaccurate? Do you think Marrone put the same amount of effort into developing a strong running game as Ryan did when he got here? Be honest and stop with the cherry picking above. Edited July 29, 2017 by vincec
3rdand12 Posted July 29, 2017 Posted July 29, 2017 My assertion is that Marrone talks about creating a dominating running game (OP) and runs the heck out of the ball (#1 in rushing attempts in 2013) but doesn't do anything to improve the running attack (employs a basic run scheme, didn't pick up any improvements at RB or OL while in Buffalo). That is why his running attacks have been ineffective (#14 and #26 in YPC). Which one of these facts is inaccurate? Do you think Marrone put the same amount of effort into developing a strong running game as Ryan did when he got here? Be honest and stop with the cherry picking above. Moving Pears to guard and sitting Urbik tells the whole story for me. Doug? Your and idiot
BringBackOrton Posted July 29, 2017 Posted July 29, 2017 (edited) My assertion is that Marrone talks about creating a dominating running game (OP) and runs the heck out of the ball (#1 in rushing attempts in 2013) but doesn't do anything to improve the running attack (employs a basic run scheme, didn't pick up any improvements at RB or OL while in Buffalo). That is why his running attacks have been ineffective (#14 and #26 in YPC). Which one of these facts is inaccurate? Do you think Marrone put the same amount of effort into developing a strong running game as Ryan did when he got here? Be honest and stop with the cherry picking above. Who should he have picked up in 2013 and 2014? His GM was the guy who shoved EJM down his throat, and didn't even want to sign a decent backup. Do you think Whaley was saying "whatever you want, I'll get for you, Saint Doug?" Marrone on the Jags just acquired a RB with the #4 overall pick so that kills your "he doesn't even try to improve the running attack" argument in its crib. You said he had horrific running games. An above average YPC and top 2 gross yards attack is not "horrific" by any metric or standard by reasonable folks. Edited July 29, 2017 by jmc12290
vincec Posted July 29, 2017 Posted July 29, 2017 (edited) Who should he have picked up in 2013 and 2014? His GM was the guy who shoved EJM down his throat, and didn't even want to sign a decent backup. Do you think Whaley was saying "whatever you want, I'll get for you, Saint Doug?" Marrone on the Jags just acquired a RB with the #4 overall pick so that kills your "he doesn't even try to improve the running attack" argument in its crib. You said he had horrific running games. An above average YPC and top 2 gross yards attack is not "horrific" by any metric or standard by reasonable folks. It does? OK. Drafting one OL or RB in the top 3 rounds in his 3 NFL drafts (Kouandjio) doesn't really make a strong case to me. But you obviously have a different perspective on what it takes to create a strong running game so maybe Marrone has it figured out. Oh, and Whaley absolutely was trying to get him the players he wanted. Edited July 29, 2017 by vincec
dulles Posted July 29, 2017 Posted July 29, 2017 I mean...theoretically, if you can do that and win, then you're amazing. Marrone just wants to be amazing. Obviously.
BringBackOrton Posted July 29, 2017 Posted July 29, 2017 It does? OK. Drafting one OL or RB in the top 3 rounds in his 3 NFL drafts (Kouandjio) doesn't really make a strong case to me. But you obviously have a different perspective on what it takes to create a strong running game so maybe Marrone has it figured out. Oh, and Whaley absolutely was trying to get him the players he wanted. Oh, that's why there was the screaming match about signing Orton . Marrone only had 2 drafts with the Bills.... Rex only drafted 1 RB or OL in the top 3 rounds of his two drafts. But he was committed, I guess. This is what I'm talking about with the bad arguments.
Thrivefourfive Posted July 29, 2017 Posted July 29, 2017 As a low level play caller, I've always said this. It was never a knock on the quarterback, as I've said it not even knowing my roster. It's just old school, and the most sure fire, powerful, punch you in the mouth type of physical domination in a game of mental and physical strength. I see nothing wrong with expressing one's dreams ;-) Now, carry on bashing the ex coach who actually said something bright this time.
MPT Posted July 29, 2017 Posted July 29, 2017 Marrone must not have watched the super bowl. No lead is safe in today's NFL with the way passing rules are. If you have a QB that can pass the football you have a chance in any game. The Falcons could have run the ball on literally every play after they were up 28-3 and they would have won that game, or simply knelt for three downs and kicked a field goal after Julio's outrageous catch. Granted, Brady is probably the only one who could have won that game, but he needed a LOT of help from the Falcons. This says more about the hubris of passing than the need for passing.
Blokestradamus Posted July 30, 2017 Posted July 30, 2017 (edited) @APMarkLong In case anyone cares, four guys picked off Jags QB Blake Bortles tonight: Telvin Smith, Tashaun Gipson, Josh McNary and Tyler Patmon twice First time Patmon has been newsworthy since he tore it up with Dez. Edited July 30, 2017 by Blokestradamus
LI_Bills Posted July 30, 2017 Posted July 30, 2017 In fairness, Bortles throws a lot of picks Nice call.
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted July 30, 2017 Posted July 30, 2017 (edited) In fairness, Bortles throws a lot of picks Jaguars' Blake Bortles tosses 5 interceptions in rough practice Michael DiRocco ESPN Staff Writer July 30, 2017 JACKSONVILLE, Fla. -- Jaguars quarterback Blake Bortles turned in one of the worst practices of his career Saturday night by throwing five interceptions, including two to a player who last played in an NFL game in 2015. Bortles threw two interceptions in 7-on-7 drills and three others in 11-on-11, one of which linebacker Telvin Smith returned for a touchdown. Cornerback Tyler Patmon, who spent time with the Tennessee Titans, Kansas City Chiefs and Carolina Panthers last season after playing in two games with Miami in 2015, intercepted Bortles twice in 11-on-11. Linebacker Josh McNary (7-on-7) and safety Tashaun Gipson (11-on-11) also had interceptions. Coach Doug Marrone was clearly disappointed after the two-and-a-half-hour practice, the team's first in pads. "I think any time someone doesn't perform to what you want to do, you're concerned about it," Marrone said. "He's not the only one that's out there. There's some good things. "We're going to look at it. We're going to look at those plays. If there's any struggle or things we don't like, then obviously we're going to be smart enough to throw that crap out." Marrone said he didn't try to encourage Bortles on the field or after the practice because, "If I've got to do that now, then we're going to be in trouble." Edited July 30, 2017 by OldTimeAFLGuy
ALF Posted July 30, 2017 Posted July 30, 2017 (edited) [Mallett] looked awful [filling] in for Joe Flacco (back) with the first team on Friday. He was intercepted at least five times and was nearly picked off two more times. Giving Bortles competition for int champ http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000822973/article/ryan-mallett-suffers-int-meltdown-at-ravens-practice Taylor looks better everyday https://www.sportingcharts.com/nfl/stats/player-passing-interceptions-thrown/2016/ Jacksonville's past record makes the Bills look good and they took Bortles #3 overall https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Jacksonville_Jaguars_seasons Edited July 30, 2017 by ALF
Big Turk Posted July 30, 2017 Author Posted July 30, 2017 Maybe Marrone isn't too far off...Bortles threw 5 INT's at practice yesterday... http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2724621-blake-bortles-5-interceptions-at-practice-cause-of-concern-for-doug-marrone
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