Royale with Cheese Posted August 18, 2017 Posted August 18, 2017 I ripped EJ all offseason, pre season and the regular season because he stinks. He was a first round bust. TT is a FA QB brought in to manage football games. So you admit you're being hypocritical again?
JM2009 Posted August 18, 2017 Posted August 18, 2017 So you admit you're being hypocritical again? I made sound arguments and you deflect them all. Now we are onto the worth of pre season games. Why don't you answer why you excpect TT, who is not a franchise talent, to do well with less talent when franchise talented QBs cannot win with injuries and below average teams. i said win. that is all that matters.
Scott7975 Posted August 18, 2017 Posted August 18, 2017 @YardsPerPass TT had some pretty bad pass pro... But it is stuff like this that worries you. Double Slants + Slant/Flat The slant is there on 3rd step He is even looking the receivers way. What was the result of the play?
JM2009 Posted August 18, 2017 Posted August 18, 2017 And once again, start Peterman with the ones without Matthews and Glenn. then we will know.
26CornerBlitz Posted August 18, 2017 Posted August 18, 2017 He is even looking the receivers way. What was the result of the play? No excuse to not pull the trigger there by anticipating Zay being available in the open window.
xRUSHx Posted August 18, 2017 Posted August 18, 2017 Tyrod should have never been brought back. He was a huge longshot with the last staff and now the new staff is in the same wagon trying the same thing. History repeats itself and this staff is on the same failed course as the last trying to win the exact same way with some other teams backup as the starter. It's a QB driven league, while good teams try to win with a top talent at QB Buffalo pushes to try to win with a backup. Maybe someday we will have a staff that understands it all starts and ends with the QB, without one the team is a complete zero. Trade Tyrod for a box on peanuts and move on otherwise this staff is no different then the Chan era trying to push Fitz as good enough. Some fans had this same argument at the time As we do now with Tyrod, to try and prove Fitz was what the Chan said he is, history and many teams later proved them all wrong. Not Good Enough is what we now all see the same history lesson Tyrod pushers will see in the end.
PromoTheRobot Posted August 18, 2017 Posted August 18, 2017 When you have a player you can a) make him play how you think he should, or b) play to the player's strength and put in a position to succeed. If you are going to insist on making Taylor be Ben Roethlisberger, and get rid of all his familiar receivers, then just cut or trade him now. Let him join a team that will use his strengths. Obviously the Bills are too smart for school.
Royale with Cheese Posted August 18, 2017 Posted August 18, 2017 I made sound arguments and you deflect them all. Now we are onto the worth of pre season games. Why don't you answer why you excpect TT, who is not a franchise talent, to do well with less talent when franchise talented QBs cannot win with injuries and below average teams. i said win. that is all that matters. You just can't admit you're being hypocritical. You do this a lot. You're allowed to criticize players you don't like but others can't...you can't do wrong. You literally will criticize posters for doing exactly the same things you do. I don't think we are below average overall. I actually think this team has talent. I think our defense will be top 12 again this year. As pointed out, the Panthers WR were bad after Kelvin Benjamin went down. Cam wins MVP and has the best offense in the NFL. I'm not expecting that from Taylor because you're right, he's not franchise level. But we should be able to move the ball in the air at least a little.... He doesn't need to be great or all world but not atrocious. A lot of people though this new offense would fit TT better because it forces him to get the ball out early....his problem before was holding the ball too long and not seeing things developing. Well he has been very inconsistent in camp (with Watkins) and looked as bad as EJ last night. Yes it's preseason so I don't care about the score. I worry because something as basic as a 3 step drop slant pattern seems to be very difficult to execute. He is even looking the receivers way. What was the result of the play? Looking at the play by play on ESPN....he was sacked.
JM2009 Posted August 18, 2017 Posted August 18, 2017 You just can't admit you're being hypocritical. You do this a lot. You're allowed to criticize players you don't like but others can't...you can't do wrong. You literally will criticize posters for doing exactly the same things you do. I don't think we are below average overall. I actually think this team has talent. I think our defense will be top 12 again this year. As pointed out, the Panthers WR were bad after Kelvin Benjamin went down. Cam wins MVP and has the best offense in the NFL. I'm not expecting that from Taylor because you're right, he's not franchise level. But we should be able to move the ball in the air at least a little.... He doesn't need to be great or all world but not atrocious. A lot of people though this new offense would fit TT better because it forces him to get the ball out early....his problem before was holding the ball too long and not seeing things developing. Well he has been very inconsistent in camp (with Watkins) and looked as bad as EJ last night. Yes it's preseason so I don't care about the score. I worry because something as basic as a 3 step drop slant pattern seems to be very difficult to execute. Looking at the play by play on ESPN....he was sacked. And I said to start Peterman, but without Glenn or Matthews. then we will know.
GunnerBill Posted August 18, 2017 Posted August 18, 2017 When you have a player you can a) make him play how you think he should, or b) play to the player's strength and put in a position to succeed. If you are going to insist on making Taylor be Ben Roethlisberger, and get rid of all his familiar receivers, then just cut or trade him now. Let him join a team that will use his strengths. Obviously the Bills are too smart for school. I agree that making him run an offense that you are schematically wedded to rather than trying to design something that suits his strengths after you bring him back seems rather foolish.
BuffaloHokie13 Posted August 18, 2017 Posted August 18, 2017 He is even looking the receivers way. What was the result of the play? Result was a 0 yard sack and Offensive Holding call that was declined.
JM2009 Posted August 18, 2017 Posted August 18, 2017 I agree that making him run an offense that you are schematically wedded to rather than trying to design something that suits his strengths after you bring him back seems rather foolish. Ryan did that with the defense. You play to your players strengths, even at QB. They took away his deep threat and don't want him to run as much. then trade him now. No point in keeping him.
DaBillsFanSince1973 Posted August 18, 2017 Posted August 18, 2017 Tyrod should have never been brought back. He was a huge longshot with the last staff and now the new staff is in the same wagon trying the same thing. History repeats itself and this staff is on the same failed course as the last trying to win the exact same way with some other teams backup as the starter. It's a QB driven league, while good teams try to win with a top talent at QB Buffalo pushes to try to win with a backup. Maybe someday we will have a staff that understands it all starts and ends with the QB, without one the team is a complete zero. Trade Tyrod for a box on peanuts and move on otherwise this staff is no different then the Chan era trying to push Fitz as good enough. Some fans had this same argument at the time As we do now with Tyrod, to try and prove Fitz was what the Chan said he is, history and many teams later proved them all wrong. Not Good Enough is what we now all see the same history lesson Tyrod pushers will see in the end. yeah, I think that they should can the lot and start over. don't give them this season or a chance to draft the future in 2018 and see where it takes them? an off season of work and decisions should be enough to get rid of the whole staff and gm and open 2018 with a fresh start. that makes the most sense to me since they have already failed.
NewEra Posted August 18, 2017 Posted August 18, 2017 (edited) Well, what was Ryan's excuse for going 4-12 in 2013? If injuries and poor defense are an excuse for him, which it should be, a weak roster around TT is not an excuse-a QB that is not on Ryan's level. Our HOF QB had a strong roster around him. But TT should be a franchise guy with an overall below average roster, when he is not as talented as a real franchise QB. You are arguing just to argue. TT is one of the worst starting QBs in the league. He's obviously uncomfortable playing in a timing based system. He was "ok" playing in Romans scheme. Now that he's actually being asked to play QB like the rest of the NfL, he is proving that he doesn't belong. I'll give him the benefit of the doubt that our OL has been bad without Cordy and that he could use more time and reps in the new system. That being said, if improvement isn't made in the 1st month, it's time to pull the plug on him. Does he give us a better chance to win? Going into the offseason, the answer is yes. After watching him try and execute the WCO and the addition of a QB that looks like a QB, I may have to change my answer. Sure, peterman played against the 2nd team D, but he also played with the 2nd team O, TT should start the season as our QB but there should be a short leash imo. He looks putrid. Do you agree that he looks bad? Edited August 18, 2017 by NewEra
26CornerBlitz Posted August 18, 2017 Posted August 18, 2017 You are arguing just to argue. TT is one of the worst starting QBs in the league. He's obviously uncomfortable playing in a timing based system. He was "ok" playing in Romans scheme. Now that he's actually being asked to play QB like the rest of the NfL, he is proving that he doesn't belong. I'll give him the benefit of the doubt that our OL has been bad without Cordy and that he could use more time and reps in the new system. That being said, if improvement isn't made in the 1st month, it's time to pull the plug on him. Does he give us a better chance to win? Going into the offseason, the answer is yes. After watching him try and execute the WCO and the addition of a QB that looks like a QB, I may have to change my answer. Sure, peterman played against the 2nd team D, but he also played with the 2nd team O, How did Taylor look last week?
dave mcbride Posted August 18, 2017 Posted August 18, 2017 When you have a player you can a) make him play how you think he should, or b) play to the player's strength and put in a position to succeed. If you are going to insist on making Taylor be Ben Roethlisberger, and get rid of all his familiar receivers, then just cut or trade him now. Let him join a team that will use his strengths. Obviously the Bills are too smart for school. I can't argue with this. How did Taylor look last week? Wasn't there a different receiver out there last week?
26CornerBlitz Posted August 18, 2017 Posted August 18, 2017 I can't argue with this. Wasn't there a different receiver out there last week? Hmmmm. I believe you're right, but I just can't quite recall his name at the moment.
JM2009 Posted August 18, 2017 Posted August 18, 2017 You are arguing just to argue. TT is one of the worst starting QBs in the league. He's obviously uncomfortable playing in a timing based system. He was "ok" playing in Romans scheme. Now that he's actually being asked to play QB like the rest of the NfL, he is proving that he doesn't belong. I'll give him the benefit of the doubt that our OL has been bad without Cordy and that he could use more time and reps in the new system. That being said, if improvement isn't made in the 1st month, it's time to pull the plug on him. Does he give us a better chance to win? Going into the offseason, the answer is yes. After watching him try and execute the WCO and the addition of a QB that looks like a QB, I may have to change my answer. Sure, peterman played against the 2nd team D, but he also played with the 2nd team O, TT should start the season as our QB but there should be a short leash imo. He looks putrid. Do you agree that he looks bad? yes he looks bad in this system. If they are not going to play to his strengths, then trade him. This is what went wrong with the defense with Ryan. You play to a players strength.
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted August 18, 2017 Posted August 18, 2017 When you have a player you can a) make him play how you think he should, or b) play to the player's strength and put in a position to succeed. If you are going to insist on making Taylor be Ben Roethlisberger, and get rid of all his familiar receivers, then just cut or trade him now. Let him join a team that will use his strengths. Obviously the Bills are too smart for school.
Crusher Posted August 18, 2017 Posted August 18, 2017 What breaks-a decent team? having a deep threat is a break? Thad Brown @thadbrown7 35m35 minutes ago More Replying to @thadbrown7 Still think #Bills are better than this. But if Cordy and even Matthews miss lotsa time... you saw it last night. Jordan Matthews is just another guy. I can't believe people are seriously using such sorry excuses now. Is there no end to this madness?
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