BringBackOrton Posted August 1, 2017 Posted August 1, 2017 (TTBOMR) the 2013 Offense was ranked 19th and in 2014 with Orton the offense was ranked 26th. just so you have a better reference point. Look it up if you don't believe me' The run game in 2014 was leagues worse. Boobie D was starting games.
transplantbillsfan Posted August 1, 2017 Posted August 1, 2017 (edited) Yup. He scrambles very well. Like that scramble for eight yards against Seattle on the final drive. 1:15 left in the game, down by six, first down at the Seattle 23. He has a guy absolutely wide open in the deep middle, uncovered in the end zone and simply doesn't see him. But yeah, he got an eight yard run out of it. That scramble wasn't nothing. But it sure wasn't the best option and we ended up losing the ball on downs. But the play looks great if you just look at yards per scramble. Holy crap! Did you seriously just cherry pick like that? You could do that for any quarterback in the league. Not just unscrambles. You could pick a part completions they make and find completions they should've made for better yardage or touchdowns or first downs. There are obviously some times or Taylor scrambled when he could've made the throw. But he gained 8 yards per scramble. He got a number of first downs on those scrambles. A good number of them on third down. He scored 4 touchdowns on scrambles. This whole game you're trying to play or yards on the ground or less meaningful than yards in the air even for a quarterback is just ridiculous. Edited August 1, 2017 by transplantbillsfan
Albwan Posted August 1, 2017 Posted August 1, 2017 There is only one thing that counts in the nfl....wins I can see people hoping that TT might blossom into a great qb, but what i don't understand is the blind, adoring, love for a guy who hasn't done anything yet. I've never seen this before in the carousel of qbs over the last 17 in buf. This whole TT love/hate argument IMHO got the old BB board closed. It's very strange.
transplantbillsfan Posted August 1, 2017 Posted August 1, 2017 In 2015? I'd say anywhere from 11-16. Lean closer to 15. I can engage in a conversation, we're just not likely to agree. Which is what I initially said. Do you read the posts responding to yours or just go into Red Alert Taylor mode? I read your posts. Funny, considering I have him write in your range just three spots above where you had him and yet your problem was with the fact that my range of a "reasonable person" is a little wider than yours. Maybe tone is just completely lost over the Internet, but it sure seemed like you were being snarky one towards me when I said I could see a reasonable person putting him between 7-15.
BringBackOrton Posted August 1, 2017 Posted August 1, 2017 I read your posts. Funny, considering I have him write in your range just three spots above where you had him and yet your problem was with the fact that my range of a "reasonable person" is a little wider than yours. Maybe tone is just completely lost over the Internet, but it sure seemed like you were being snarky one towards me when I said I could see a reasonable person putting him between 7-15. I cannot see a reasonable person putting him at 7.
Bleeding Bills Blue Posted August 1, 2017 Posted August 1, 2017 (edited) I read your posts. Funny, considering I have him write in your range just three spots above where you had him and yet your problem was with the fact that my range of a "reasonable person" is a little wider than yours. Maybe tone is just completely lost over the Internet, but it sure seemed like you were being snarky one towards me when I said I could see a reasonable person putting him between 7-15. Here's 15 in no particular order who are better than Tyrod: Brady Big Ben Luck Rivers Carr Smith Manning Cousins Stafford Rodgers Ryan Newton Brees Winston Wilson He's in a tier with these guys: Flacco Tannehill Dalton Mariota Wentz Prescott Bradford Palmer Edited August 1, 2017 by dneveu
grb Posted August 1, 2017 Posted August 1, 2017 (edited) I can see people hoping that TT might blossom into a great qb, but what i don't understand is the blind, adoring, love for a guy who hasn't done anything yet. Really? I don't see a huge amount of "blind, adoring love". What I see are people saying Taylor has (1) Played better than many want to give him credit for, and (2) Still has a lot of potential up-side. That hardly qualifies as swooning worship, does it? In fact, the most passion I see from his supporters is in their fighting the extreme views of the haters. There isn't any symmetry between the two sides : One sees the glass half-full while the other denies the existence of water or glass altogether. That said, Taylor does seem a easy guy to root for. From an article on how he organized his own practices with his teammates : "First of all, I didn't know we was going to do all that," Watkins said. "I'm just coming down thinking I'm finna have fun, be a receiver and run some routes. He called me, 'Hey be here at 10, be here at 9.' We would go out to the facility that he's working with. He's got a crazy guy that works out. He's got us out there freaking dying before we even get out there and pass. So I see what he's been doing. I've never seen a quarterback run as much as he does. Being in shape, taking care of his body, eating right, sleeping right. I mean that's the whole day. He's finding something to work on with his body to be prepared." https://www.buffalorumblings.com/2017/8/1/16073984/tyrod-taylor-hosted-buffalo-bills-receivers-for-workout-prior-to-training-camp-offseason Edited August 1, 2017 by grb
Crusher Posted August 1, 2017 Posted August 1, 2017 Holy crap! Did you seriously just cherry pick like that? You could do that for any quarterback in the league. Not just unscrambles. You could pick a part completions they make and find completions they should've made for better yardage or touchdowns or first downs. There are obviously some times or Taylor scrambled when he could've made the throw. But he gained 8 yards per scramble. He got a number of first downs on those scrambles. A good number of them on third down. He scored 4 touchdowns on scrambles. This whole game you're trying to play or yards on the ground or less meaningful than yards in the air even for a quarterback is just ridiculous. Is it really ridiculous when team's don't respect the pass? Do you think there's no correlation between his failure to win close games and his lack of passing ability? I of course know how you will respond to this, but many others can see how passing ability is more valuable than a QB scramble. It's a shame how you disregard all other thoughts if they don't align with your own. You know what they say about a closed mind...
Big Gun Posted August 1, 2017 Posted August 1, 2017 Here's 15 in no particular order who are better than Tyrod: Brady Big Ben Luck Rivers Carr Smith Manning Cousins Stafford Rodgers Ryan Newton Brees Winston Wilson He's in a tier with these guys: Flacco Tannehill Dalton Mariota Wentz Prescott Bradford Palmer I would take every one of those guys over TT except Bradford and Smith(not a fan)
Kirby Jackson Posted August 1, 2017 Posted August 1, 2017 Here's 15 in no particular order who are better than Tyrod: Brady Big Ben Luck Rivers Carr Smith Manning Cousins Stafford Rodgers Ryan Newton Brees Winston Wilson He's in a tier with these guys: Flacco Tannehill Dalton Mariota Wentz Prescott Bradford Palmer Id definitely bump Mariota a tier.
DaBillsFanSince1973 Posted August 1, 2017 Posted August 1, 2017 There is only one thing that counts in the nfl....wins I can see people hoping that TT might blossom into a great qb, but what i don't understand is the blind, adoring, love for a guy who hasn't done anything yet. I've never seen this before in the carousel of qbs over the last 17 in buf. This whole TT love/hate argument IMHO got the old BB board closed. It's very strange. define blind, adoring love Alby I might of had that for my high school sweetheart but for a football player? I know, speaking for myself, I support the team and their players, no love or hate, just support. but that's just me. I can not see where some could have, what is it, blind, adoring love?
Cherrybone Posted August 1, 2017 Posted August 1, 2017 http://www.espn.com/espn/now?nowId=21-0684044527173900519-4 I can't wait to hear news that he's actually sharper in practice. I saw another update saying that him and Sammy are having a hard time connecting and I saw another one saying he wasn't to sharp. I hope this is just early season jitters. Please let it be.
BringBackOrton Posted August 1, 2017 Posted August 1, 2017 Tyrod has stunk since he got paid. Fitzitis.
BuffaloHokie13 Posted August 1, 2017 Posted August 1, 2017 Here's 15 in no particular order who are better than Tyrod: Brady Big Ben Luck Rivers Carr Smith Manning Cousins Stafford Rodgers Ryan Newton Brees Winston Wilson He's in a tier with these guys: Flacco Tannehill Dalton Mariota Wentz Prescott Bradford Palmer I don't entirely disagree here, but I think you've mistaken the conversation a bit. Transplant was talking about how you'd rank the QB's 2015 season specifically. In 2015, Luck played in 7 games and didn't look good; Ben played in 12 games, had a worse TD% and nearly triple the TO%; Carr had decent overall numbers on high volume, his YPA and Turnovers suffered because of it; Smith had fewer YPG, worse YPA, and scored fewer TDs and 1 more INT than Tyrod in 2 additional games; Ryan had 3 fewer TDs and 15 more TOs in 16 games, and a very similar YPA to Tyrod. That's not to say Tyrod is a better QB right now than any of them (though I think he's better than Smith), but based on that year alone he produced better than some IMO.
K D Posted August 1, 2017 Posted August 1, 2017 DOOMED...we will do just well enough to not get a top QB in the draft. .500 for life
The Wiz Posted August 1, 2017 Posted August 1, 2017 4 days into a new playbook and they aren't in sync yet!!!!
26CornerBlitz Posted August 1, 2017 Posted August 1, 2017 Another Question about the Tyrod Taylor Question?
Cherrybone Posted August 1, 2017 Posted August 1, 2017 4 days into a new playbook and they aren't in sync yet!!!! I hope you're right.
Wayne Cubed Posted August 1, 2017 Posted August 1, 2017 What about the TD to Sammy Watkins... 4th and goal, the offense gets one play to score. Tyrod to Sammy. Or is that not worth reporting?
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